The Bitching thread

[CLOUD 500]

When I went years ago to Chez Parée and I sat at the bar they’d always make the effort to come chat with you to try to entice you to get dances with them. You got me curious! I will go and see for myself how things have changed.

And there is more. Some weeks ago I went to Cleopatra. It was on a Tuesday. It was slow, not much clients. Amber was there a spinner Black girl. I danced her before and it was good except she was cold to me. She is always sitting at the table fiddling on her cellphone. She seems to disinterested. That night I went to ask her for dances since there was not much else there, Desiree left early. Amber refused to dance me. This has been my experience in the last few months of 2023.

 

[NatashaSnow]

You are right most of us care how much it costs as there are very few that fall into the really wealthy category and a lot of them don’t need to hobby as women will seek them out, that doesn’t mean it will cost them less though, for most hobbying would probably be a cost saving.

women seek them yes, but the single ones don’t have time for that and the married ones.. well are married. Add to that open couples, couples experimenting, tourists, referrals, repeats and and and..

Our pool is much bigger than you think.

 

[Fradi]

Age is just a number...

You are as young as your faith,
as old as your doubt;
as young as your self-confidence,
as old as your fear,
as young as your hope,
as old as your despair.

Age is an issue of mind over matter. If you don't mind, it doesn't matter.
Worrying is like a rocking chair, it gives you something to do, but it gets you nowhere.
Don't worry, be happy.

Be well everyone.

Wish all that was true, actually reality is that it is doctor visits and medication over matter lol.
The only way to think of age is you don’t get a prize for being young, we all were at one time, but you can consider yourself lucky if you get to be old.
Just don’t put things off for your later years go travel book the SP that you think is out of reach for you see all the places you wanted to see.

 

[NatashaSnow]

Although I fully agree with the simping and white-knighting attitude polluting the hobby in general, I think you are totally underestimating the capabilities for the 30s-40s to generate an income and wealth way beyond the decent mark.
These people are the tech generation and most of them are very experienced geeks at that age. It’s not rare for them to reach an income level beyond 250K very quickly in their career, and when they attain a certain reputation they are constantly getting offers from big tech companies, that’s why they move around regularly.
As an example of this I have a friend who is in the video games industry, he was an artistic director for a major world wide player here in Montreal, earning 125K in 2019. Since then he’s moved 4 times, putting up a small hive of talent that follows him around. Today, his income averages 450K, he certainly not the only one in this situation. I’m telling you, those geeks have lots of money to spend.

You have no idea how true this is. I make a low income person’s yearly salary in a month and I very very VERY rarely see anyone over 55 and average being 36-42. 28-36 I see very often also.

All of my best and most regular clients are under 36or so. For dxampldI have a repeat visitor, let’s call him Cryptobro, mid twenties and owns several properties in Montreal, Miami and Manhattan all worth 1.5mil upwards.

Another, 46y old or so, his smallest company grosses 20mil a year. Current bank account balance 126k.

My ATF, again mid thirties, I don’t know exactly what he does because at this point it’s just moving wealth around but he drops thousands “just because” like it’s a handful of change.

I’m really shocked at how a lot of you think our pool of potential clients is sooo painfully small.

 

[Fradi]

You have no idea how true this is. I make a low income person’s yearly salary in a month and I very very VERY rarely see anyone over 55 and average being 36-42. 28-36 I see very often also.

All of my best and most regular clients are under 36or so. For dxampldI have a repeat visitor, let’s call him Cryptobro, mid twenties and owns several properties in Montreal, Miami and Manhattan all worth 1.5mil upwards.

Another, 46y old or so, his smallest company grosses 20mil a year. Current bank account balance 126k.

My ATF, again mid thirties, I don’t know exactly what he does because at this point it’s just moving wealth around but he drops thousands “just because” like it’s a handful of change.

I’m really shocked at how a lot of you think our pool of potential clients is sooo painfully small.

That doesn’t really surprise me that people in their mid to late 30 make a lot of money I just need to look at my children and their friends, but they are all married or have life partners most with children of their own and I doubt any of them hobby, of course they wouldn’t advertise this.

Glad you are doing so well. Hope you are as good at making your income work for you long term also because there are many that know how to make a lot of money but much fewer who learn how to hang on to it.

 

[AirBo]

WOW... I didn't log in for 36hrs and there is so much catch up to do! (not just this thread but many others as well)

It's amazing when there is so much action on Merb

 

[Carmine Falcone]

Way to go for thread topic, AirBo.

My "favorite" industry trend: the intersection of a 2 hour minimum worth four digits WITH a no-review policy. I think I'll pass, thank you very much. I'd like to think everyone should bristle at that, millionaire or not. But I can only control my own actions.

 

[AirBo]

Way to go for thread topic, AirBo

Thank you

I must admit it's not easy to bear the weight of having started this thread, in addition to what I posted in it. But I felt like stuff had to be said. I felt around a growing sense of frustration. I also tried not to point fingers at anyone in particular but at everyone.

I may not have earned any friends on this one but maybe some respect for stating things as they are.

Besides, it seems people feel very engaged, and it's always my primary goal.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

Maybe it has to do with the fact that, lately, at XO we have read a lot of complaints from clients being cut short on the overall time.

 

[hob12]

I only use Euphoria so bring them on! haha

 

[Gazoo64]

Wanted to rant and this seemed like a good place to do it.

I don't know why, but it seems like all the "best" girls (at least in my opinion) are leaving XO. Celia went indy, Meryem went indy and then disappeared from the map, Emily and Lucia are nowhere to be seen for the past couple of months, Elise and Kate are gone, Kimi moved to Euphoria.

One thing I heard is that in some cases, they don’t give a 15-min break between clients. This has been discussed numerous times previously. I can imagine this being frustrating for the girls and the clients. If this is the case, the girls have to rush to shower and clean up, and it cuts into the client’s time. I don’t know if it’s always the case, but I heard that sometimes this happens.

As well, it’s been mentioned that sometimes the appointment start times are delayed.

On the other hand, the girls I saw seemed to be happy with xo (as you mentioned). So not sure what’s going on, could be a combination of things.

As well, sometimes girls leave for another agency, and then come back. So who knows?

 

[AirBo]

Maybe it has to do with the fact that, lately, at XO we have read a lot of complaints from clients being cut short on the overall time.

Whenever clients feel rushed, same goes for the girls. If it happens too often, it's just not sustainable. Everybody loses.

 

[AirBo]

Wanted to rant and this seemed like a good place to do it.

This thread was intended to be a melting pot of frustration

Let"s keep the other threads clean.

 

[AirBo]

Thought / question of the day: I'm speaking from experience. Why is it that the most damaged girls usually provide the best sex?

 

[Thane]

If a woman is damaged, that means she's experienced.
She will have higher levels of empathy and be better able to satisfy your needs.

 

[Charsi-baba]

Just realized Mika is Kimi, dodged a bullet
Thank you for letting me know you guys are the best !

 

[Thane]

IDK , I wouldn’t even have sex with her for free , maybe I am not just compatible with asian people. She has 0 sex appeal. Doesn’t feel like a woman talk like a woman. I mean comparing to the Quebec girls she has a long way to go. Maybe you are from here and find her exotic and thats why you like her but for me it was easily the worst experience.

Have you seen her, spoken to her, and smelt her? If not, it’s probably better to not say anything unless you have.

 

[LC18]

Thought / question of the day: I'm speaking from experience. Why is it that the most damaged girls usually provide the best sex?

Define “damaged”

 

[Charsi-baba]

Have you seen her, spoken to her? If not, it’s probably better to not say anything unless you have.

I have seen her . We had a good conversation cause we are both around the same age , and I do connect to her as a human which is not a surprise , cause human beings are meant to connect but I did not find her sexy, and the way I felt after her I never felt that with anyone else , which was a little disappointed. Also just remembered that she is the one who told me about Merb, and I thought to myself that I will never post a review about her cause I dont have good things to say and she is a good/ok person, but I still didn’t its just a reply to a thread so I hope it doesn’t count

 

[Charsi-baba]

Is it just me or there seems to be a lot of complaining around in various threads? Might be the holiday season...

I figured it'd be nice to have an "all in" thread where people can just bitch about stuff while, hopefully, remain somewhat respectful.

I can start with a few points, some of which have been brought up elsewhere, by me and others:

1- GFE is not GFE anymore: I stated before that, now, you have to double check about the DFK and DATY parts before booking with an agency, but if the trend continues, you'll have to double check the BBBJ (or just plain BJ) part as well in 2024.​

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2- Physical ratings are inflated: I, personally, will refrain from rating SPs I see on their physical attributes. First of all, because "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", but mostly because most people seem to have lost their minds (or balls) when giving high grades. The only example I'll give is this:​

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- 10 means perfect, 10 means dream girl. 10 means unattainable. Maybe 5 SPs in Montreal are truly 10s.​

- 5 means average, and there's quite a few floating around.​

- In between, you'll find the GND types (6 & 7) and the hot / really hot ones (8 & 9)​

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By giving 10s left and right, you lose credibility by creating false expectations, hence disappointment.​

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3- The industrialization and dehumanization of sex work: The Incall business model implemented by XO and Euphoria is a financial success for them. Their girls get fully booked really fast. BUT... 90% of the sessions are 1h sessions with really short breaks in between. What do you think is going on? There's 0 intimacy, 0 romanticism and, in the end, pretty much 0 human connection. 18-22 yo spinners get pounded up to 5-6 times a day, day in day out, by a line up of guys eagerly waiting for their turn outside. I'm sorry but there's nothing appealing about this... quite the opposite when you really think about it.​

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4- Indy rates: I get it... you got expenses and you're worth it. What's funny though is that at this price (and, dare I say, age) range, your targeted audience is a lot smaller. And from what I see, there seems to be more and more competition in the Indy market. I'm pretty sure some (most?) of you find that times are somewhat difficult. 450+$ per hour? Add another 50$ for Outcall with a minimum booking of 1.5h? Really?​

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I could go on and on. I could talk about Screening, LeoList, false stats on agency websites, etc.

Agencies, Indies, Clients... everyone bears part of the blame. But that's the hobby we live in at the dawn of 2024.

Fortunately for me, I found my sweet spot. I should be fine.

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There you go... I started it

you did a pretty good job. Anyone with a decent iq and mindset who are in this “hobby” would agree. But It could be possible that people like us are less in numbers. Yesterday I met someone in euphoria , I was the last client, and I was talking like a normal person would do , and she said that this the first conversation I had today I was so shocked hearing it man. Most people are there to take pills and fuck. What a disgusting mentality I believe the girls gave to deal with a lot of narcissistic individuals daily.