The Bitching thread

[Halloween Mike]

I attribute non-GFE to 2 reasons, with one probably more to blame than the other.

Agencies can enforce experience standards. It happened in other cities, and previously in Montreal. If a girl didn’t provide GFE services, clients would bitch, and the SP gets a come-to-Jesus conversation, and if no change, she eventually got kicked out of the agency. The owners had a standard because they knew customers would revolt. I don’t see that in Montreal anymore. Perhaps the lack of talent supply means agencies no longer have that leverage.

The second, likely more potent, reason is the culture and mindset of these Millenial and Gen Z babies in the pipeline…

You have to remember that there is men that litterally give money for free. I mean they send money to twitch streamers, onlyfans girls and so on and i am not talking buying content (like buying a PPV) but litterally just "for nothing". Or they buy expensive gifts etc. I guess we could deep dive into the psychology of it and that they are rewarded with "fake love and attention" from the person they shower with money and gifts, but basically its a thing that happen. So it does not surprise me too much that some (not all of course) escorts try to do the less for the most, especially younger ones who "grew along OF" and such.

Now personally i not been active enough in latest years to realize if GFE/services have been indeed on the decline in Montreal. I don't really have interest for daty so this i don't know/care, and i always been ok with following the lead in kissing (if she is more LFK, then fine, LFK it is, even if i much prefer DFK) but BBBJ tough is a standard i wouldn't be able to work around. I do expect if i book someone in an agency that is known to be GFE and that particular girl don't wanna do it that the agency will let me know.

 

[Mefy]

Some agencies have a predefined list of "preferred" clients who get the exclusivity before the schedule is up. It's often enough to get the new girls fully booked with trusted clients

Also for example you will see some euphoria girls booked up before the schedule drops on their site, a 3-4 hour shift, i can nearly guarantee its a single client snapping up that whole shift

Reputable agencies are accommodating the SPs and doing a great job of matching clients to appropriate ladies.

Some clients get the exclusivity for many reasons and SPs are booked with trusted clients.

Many of you will disagree with that, but it's only business.

 

[cpp433]

Well i guess we know who one of those guys are now! Lol

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

That defeats the purpose of a deposit. We ask a deposit to make sure we are not leaving our house for nothing, that we’re not renting an incall for nothing. If we still have to leave to go get a deposit without any guarantee that you’ll be there it doesn’t make sense.

In my example, the deposit was optional. I was just trying to figure out a safer way to identify myself for the provider’s safety. If the girl fear getting ghosted I can say the same on my side. The last time I booked an Indy, although she didn’t ghost me, she postponed the meeting 3 times. When we finally met, almost 5 weeks had passed since the initial contact. At that point I was trying to remember what was it that made me wanting to see her in the first place.

 

[Kenshiro2029]

Some agencies have a predefined list of "preferred" clients who get the exclusivity before the schedule is up. It's often enough to get the new girls fully booked with trusted clients

Totally agree, even when they deny it

 

[Kenshiro2029]

You have to remember that there is men that litterally give money for free. I mean they send money to twitch streamers, onlyfans girls and so on and i am not talking buying content (like buying a PPV) but litterally just "for nothing". Or they buy expensive gifts etc. I guess we could deep dive into the psychology of it and that they are rewarded with "fake love and attention" from the person they shower with money and gifts, but basically its a thing that happen. So it does not surprise me too much that some (not all of course) escorts try to do the less for the most, especially younger ones who "grew along OF" and such.

Now personally i not been active enough in latest years to realize if GFE/services have been indeed on the decline in Montreal. I don't really have interest for daty so this i don't know/care, and i always been ok with following the lead in kissing (if she is more LFK, then fine, LFK it is, even if i much prefer DFK) but BBBJ tough is a standard i wouldn't be able to work around. I do expect if i book someone in an agency that is known to be GFE and that particular girl don't wanna do it that the agency will let me know.

That’s my main beef, the agencies don’t care anymore, if it’s not you it would another John. I dont blame them, the money flows anyway.

 

[Kenshiro2029]

What about we meet for a coffee, I show you my ID, you take note of it, you don’t take a picture of it. I give you a cash deposit if you want.

Agree! Or maybe a Skype meeting. I understand why they are so careful but this doesn’t make it easy.

 

[Kenshiro2029]

Totally agree, even when they deny it

I was very surprised when my last agency SP after the act, she asked me out of the blue how was she compared with the last SP i saw, and she mentioned the name of the last SP in the same agency. The booker should have told her, Honestly I was surprised. I really wonder how much information some agencies keep about us.

 

[AirBo]

I really wonder how much information some agencies keep about us

Simple answer: as much as they can

 

[AirBo]

THE LEVERAGE SOME AGENCIES HAVE OVER THEIR CUSTOMERS

- Personal information is filed for future purposes (ex: preferred list of customers)​

- Sessions are cut short, delayed, postponed or cancelled​

- Customer service is barely passable​

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Clients complain yet keep coming back because of the continuous flow of fresh flesh.

THE LEVERAGE SOME AGENCIES HAVE OVER THEIR GIRLS

- Personal information is filed​

- Services are imposed​

- For various reasons, agencies will remove girls from the schedule to put pressure on them (attitude, services)​

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Girls complain yet keep working because of the continuous flow of money.

It's the perfect loop: Money brings hot young impressionable girls, basic services are imposed upon them, which in turn bring clients, who spend money, keeping a blind eye on what's really going on.

This won't change anything. That's the nature of this hobby. That's who WE are. But it's important to be reminded of reality once in a while.

 

[Thane]

Amen brother, to be honest sitting here in one a fancy bar in Montreal having somebeer, seeing the amazing amount of Montreal girls, makes me doubt my decisions. Lucky for me I’m old and tired. But we were so lucky to have the fantastic amount of girls in the agencies in pre Covid times. I’m old and tired but I hope I can go one more time all crazy as in the old xo times on 2016. Those were the times. Where ever you are Sam, kudos to you.

You may be tired but you are not old. If you think you’re old, you’ll get old quickly. Snap out of it. Age is how you perceive it. It’s all mental. The past is done no matter how great or bad it was. Live for now.

 

[Mefy]

Age is just a number...

You are as young as your faith,
as old as your doubt;
as young as your self-confidence,
as old as your fear,
as young as your hope,
as old as your despair.

Age is an issue of mind over matter. If you don't mind, it doesn't matter.
Worrying is like a rocking chair, it gives you something to do, but it gets you nowhere.
Don't worry, be happy.

Be well everyone.

 

[AirBo]

Today I feel so old and tired

I keep in shape as I can

Then it's really a state of mind. I'm sure tomorrow will be a better day

please keep the good conversations here

We'll do our best to keep you entertained

 

[Gazoo64]

I can’t capture it succinctly - but some of these girls from the boonies of Quebec had a je-ne-sais-quoi 10-15+ years ago. Seemingly good girls who were secretly nymphos and sex fiends. It was uniquely ‘Montreal GFE.’ Unbridled? All-in? K-girls in LA felt ‘industrial.’ So did many of the Ukrainians and Romanians in Europe. But Quebecoise - ouuuuffff. I picked up that expression in Montreal, and only used it in Montreal. Ouuuffff! Somehow it felt more genuine, like the SP had a ravenous appetite and let herself loose. Real or fantastic acting? Didn’t matter. Regardless, it was phenomenal for the client. I don’t get that anymore in Montreal. Or at least super rarely in the last 2-3 years. It’s become industrial, as another poster described.

Ah yes, the amazing Quebecoise girls from small towns! Wow, and wow, these girls were some of the best! “Je-ne-sais-quoi” is the right way to put it.
Natural, hot AF, unassuming, down to earth, nymphos and service like no other!

It’s like you said, they must have had an amazing sex drive which wasn’t fulfilled in these small towns. Once they discovered Mtl, where they can make money and they actually enjoy it, watch out!

That was years ago, and seems there’s very few of these girls these days. I was seeing one regularly, so we were on good terms and we could speak openly. She was hot and loved sex. I asked her if she did this just for the money or actually enjoyed it. Effing Stupid question!! She looked me straight in the eye and said “I wouldn’t be here if I didn’t enjoy it”. Ouffff! WOW, music to my ears!

One time I bought her a small box of chocolates as a token of appreciation. Holy crap, it’s as if I gave her a million. Sooo appreciative!!
A far cry from those Indy’s these days that have a wishtender list with handbags worth in the 1000s of dollars!

I wish there were more of those amazing girls from small town Quebec these days!
I know other ladies are nice as well, but there’s something special about small town Quebecoise!!

So that’s one thing that changed from the old days of hobbying.
While I’m at it, let me b!cth about what else is wrong these days:

- delayed/postponed appointments
- agencies prioritizing quantity or quality
- rushed appointments
- agency girls that are hot AF AND offer amazing service are few and far between
- from previous point, if there are some, they probably become Indy’s at higher rates!

Ahhh, feels good to reminisce about the good old days. And bitch about what bugs me about hobbying these days!
Cheers!

 

[MtlGuyNow]

GIRLS STATS ON AGENCY WEBSITES

Except for XO and Euphoria who dominate the "teen spinner" market, having some basic notions of "Escorts Mathematics 101" is a must.

- Age = Age + 5​

- Weight = Weight + 20​

If you keep that in mind, you won't be disappointed.

Generally agree re age. 5-7
One petite beauty jumped on my scale & it registered 97 pounds.

 

[Anong]

- Your driver's licence?

Are they willing to share theirs?

 

[CLOUD 500]

Here is my bitching but this is concerning stripclubs:

I cannot seem to connect with the newer girls. They are lazy, got no game, not willing to give more, and are greedy. I went several times to the clubs this past month. The pretty girls just tend to sit at the bar and are not so chatty. They just seem too disinterested. Ten years ago it was so completely different. I would go to the clubs and the girls would swarm me and made much interesting convo.. Girls often willing to provide mileage. It was just a whole different world. Seems the mindset changed big time.

 

[Thane]

Here is my bitching but this is concerning stripclubs:

I cannot seem to connect with the newer girls. They are lazy, got no game, not willing to give more, and are greedy. I went several times to the clubs this past month. The pretty girls just tend to sit at the bar and are not so chatty. They just seem too disinterested. Ten years ago it was so completely different. I would go to the clubs and the girls would swarm me and made much interesting convo.. Girls often willing to provide mileage. It was just a whole different world. Seems the mindset changed big time.

When I went years ago to Chez Parée and I sat at the bar they’d always make the effort to come chat with you to try to entice you to get dances with them. You got me curious! I will go and see for myself how things have changed.

 

[CuriousGent]

THE LEVERAGE SOME AGENCIES HAVE OVER THEIR CUSTOMERS

- Personal information is filed for future purposes (ex: preferred list of customers)​

- Sessions are cut short, delayed, postponed or cancelled​

- Customer service is barely passable​

​

Clients complain yet keep coming back because of the continuous flow of fresh flesh.

THE LEVERAGE SOME AGENCIES HAVE OVER THEIR GIRLS

- Personal information is filed​

- Services are imposed​

- For various reasons, agencies will remove girls from the schedule to put pressure on them (attitude, services)​

​

Girls complain yet keep working because of the continuous flow of money.

It's the perfect loop: Money brings hot young impressionable girls, basic services are imposed upon them, which in turn bring clients, who spend money, keeping a blind eye on what's really going on.

This won't change anything. That's the nature of this hobby. That's who WE are. But it's important to be reminded of reality once in a while.

And this is exactly why indies are on the rise. If they feel agencies have too much leverage while they assume all the risk, well the only logical thing to do is to branch out on their own. Same with most business, they create the competition when a star employee feels like they are not being value they leave and set up shop.

 

[CLOUD 500]

When I went years ago to Chez Parée and I sat at the bar they’d always make the effort to come chat with you to try to entice you to get dances with them. You got me curious! I will go and see for myself how things have changed.

Exactly what I said. Years ago I would get swarmed. But this year is so weird. Girls just seem to disinterested. Example I went twice to Bar Mania and I saw the sexiest Black girl nice ass and tits. Each of the times she just sat at the table. She only went to see one guy, and that is it. Last Wed it was dead and she just sat there the whole time. Makes me wonder how they even make money? Only girls circulating were the below average girls. I went to 10-35 last night and the ratio of girls to clients was awful. It was crowded with clients but there were only seven girls? I hate running after disinterested girls. The girls just went to their regulars.