The importance of kissing...

[cloudsurf]

Hungry, I`ve had the same experience as you, once with 5 different girls at one party.
I`ll tell you why they do it. One reason is that they were drunk.....the other was that they actually enjoyed it ….but the main reason is that they are advertising that they want to see you as a client.

 

[hungry101]

Those are all good reasons. I have to laugh because I had 3 different make-out sessions with Chanelle of GG alone and we never even sessioned! The last one was when she showed up off the street at VIP-7 and she was retired? Ahhhhh! Maybe she was thinking of getting back in the business???? Maybe she consented and really didn't want to but I manipulated the poor victim? I mean I kissed her far more this decade than I have my significant other and not a cent changed hands between Chanelle and I (My SO has fleeced me but I digress). If I were Jeffery Epstein I'm sure Chanelle would be suing me right now.

But I get what you are saying. They were under the influence of alcohol (I myself have wound up with a pig-in-a-blanket after an alcohol fueled night at the bar). In the FKKs in Germany, back in the day when you could have sex out in the open, they used to say feel free to do so because the girl will give you her best. She is advertising her services to other patrons of the FKK. It's almost like an infomercial. So maybe it was a way of advertising to everyone and not just me? But the other thing you said is quite interesting: They may actually like it?

 

[Fradi]

I wonder. How many of you guys who say are amazing kissers would just love to passionately dfk a 60-70 year old woman.
I can introduce you to some of my moms friends

This is kind of ridiculous.
By the same token would you rather go down on 60-70 year old woman or basically do anything with a 60-70:year old.
I doubt there is such a huge market for 70 year old escorts.

Would you rather a 60-70 year old give you a BJ with CIM.

If I was looking for a 60 year old I could get as many as I wanted and wouldn’t be paying for it.

We are all looking for something different and paying for it, there are some ladies that are perfectly willing to provide whatever you are looking for others are not, so you choose the one that is for you.

It is not all that complicated.

 

[jalimon]

I wonder. How many of you guys who say are amazing kissers would just love to passionately dfk a 60-70 year old woman.
I can introduce you to some of my moms friends

That's our revenge Fly. Women can basically pretty much fuck who they want all their life. While we, well maybe not you but most of us, struggle and fight like hell all our life to bring one to bed. Heck it's so hard we even pay for it!

Our revenge is we can do it pretty much all our life while women have a much shorter time span

Cheers,

 

[hungry101]

I've been told that men and women are attracted to different things. For almost as long as we have been on this planet I think this has been true. Women merry up. I also know from my experience that looks certainly help but I remember girls in school being attracted to the the stud athlete, the guy in the band, the bad boy, the guy with the best car...statues symbols. The only status I've ever needed was how hot she was/is. She didn't have to be good at a single sport (except sport fucking). I could care less if she played a single instrument (maybe skin flute) or drove a boss car (well...maybe a VW bus or some kind of van that I could fuck her in???) Looks would be the highest priority and then it would come down to chemistry: Could I stand her?

The psychobabblers say that men are attracted to fertility and women are attracted to virility...and then there is that word hypergamy.

So shave your pubes and whiten your teeth and stay gainfully employed and in shape and just maybe you have a shot.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I've often posted and said that i'd rather not have a girl do kissing/dfk if she doesn't like it. And from my experience most of the girls i've done this with appeared to really like it and every time they initiated it. So i figured i must have been correct about this as the years went by. But in the last few years i've become a skeptic.

One time just a few years ago i was discussing this with my former atf who was known to be a great kisser and really into it. I'd read her reviews and she was gfe+ and her kissing skills were mentioned most of the time. However between the 2nd and 3rd 'date' (we saw one another dozens of times over the years) we were having a semi-serious discussion about the 'hobby' and what many women have to go through and put up with and she casually mentioned that she hated the kissing part. I was shocked, to say the least. "But from the reviews i've read you seem to really be into kissing?", i asked her. She replied that the reviews were quite accurate but in fact she hated kissing. "So why do you do it then?", i asked her. She replied that her 'job' as an escort required it. "But everyone seems to think that you really like it!", i pointed out to her. She replied that many escorts are very good at faking it. That she concluded soon after entering the business that if you can't fake it well then you won't last very long in this business unless you're drop-dead gorgeous. She was a very attractive young woman in her own right and had a lovely personality. But her 'service' was what put her apart from many of her counterparts.

And then it hit me that maybe she hated kissing me. "So then whenever we kiss you in fact don't really want to kiss", i pointed out to her. She replied that it was different between us and she didn't mind us kissing. I took her at her word but over the years i've always been skeptical. So after this i'd think about it more whenever i'd be with her. I began to realize that most of the time she'd initiate it so i'd often joke to her "hey, don't kiss me....you don't like kissing, remember?" And she'd laugh and we'd go at it.

So after nearly 20 years in this hobby i must admit that if i'm honest i'm not sure anymore which girls in fact love kissing. It is true of course that (as i've been saying for years) that the best and most popular escorts are often the best actresses. The ones that are the best at playing the role of a paid lover and who often nearly makes you forget that 'you're paying for a fantasy.' But that's okay. It's okay because as a matter of fact the truth is that we are paying another person to help fullfill a fantasy. And there's nothing wrong with that as long as when the clock strikes midnight you realize that the fantasy is over and don't get delusional about the whole thing.

Hey, i love kissing a woman as much as anyone else. And whether or not she likes it or not, that's part of why i'm paying her. To make me feel better about myself and hopefully she also gets some pleasure out of the encounter. I've noticed over the years that the ladies i meet are more business-like than in the past, but that's how life is. Things change, we change, life changes.

 

[cloudsurf]

Our revenge is we can do it pretty much all our life while women have a much shorter time span

Cheers,

Jal didn`t you hear of gigolos ? These are young men who date and fuck older women for money. The money is sometimes earned or inherited by the women, but usually it comes from divorced or dead husbands. Some guys keep paying for sex even after they die.....

 

[jalimon]

Jal didn`t you hear of gigolos ? These are young men who date and fuck older women for money. .....

Haha yes... I prefer to be poor

Doc you confirm what I have been saying all along. 75% of SP will not initiate dfk as they don't really like it.. Too personal. But upon repeat (if you like each other enough for repeat) then they do it. I used to not repeat much. Now I do!

Cheers,

 

[Fradi]

Jali,

Even the whole Merb population couldn’t have fucked 75% of the escorts let alone you and Doc together ( maybe 74%) so that is a pretty bold statement to keep making.

If you are basing it on a sampling plan and statistics that will never work either because that is only good if you remove the variables and nothing varies more than the likes and mind of a woman.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Jal didn`t you hear of gigolos ? These are young men who date and fuck older women for money. The money is sometimes earned or inherited by the women, but usually it comes from divorced or dead husbands. Some guys keep paying for sex even after they die.....

A friend of mine once started working as a male escort (straight) in the Ottawa-Mtl area about a decade or so ago. It lasted less than a month. He told me he rarely got any calls and couldn't make a go at it. The only calls he got were from guys and he refused to cross that line so he quit and went back to school.

Why should women pay for sex and company when it's so easier for them to get laid when they want? Of course you always have the overweight/homely looking types but most of them either never considered of hiring a male escort or simply didn't have the money to do so.

Life as a male escort (around these parts anyway) is a lonely, unrewarding business. Or so i've been told. It's not the glamour type of life as seen in Hollywood movies such as American Gigolo.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Doc you confirm what I have been saying all along. 75% of SP will not initiate dfk as they don't really like it.. Too personal. But upon repeat (if you like each other enough for repeat) then they do it. I used to not repeat much. Now I do!

I don't know if things have changed much since my heyday but back then i noticed sps who had a regular boyfriend rarely kissed. I began to see a regular back then and when i noticed she wanted to dfk (after seeing her twice with no kissing) I asked her why she wanted to this time around. "I broke up with my boyfriend", she replied. "When i'm going out with a guy i don't kiss." I understand (somewhat) where she came from. But it was my feeling at the time that so many women in the biz either had boyfriends or girlfriends and still allowed kissing. But i have met other women in the biz who felt like that girl: no boyfriend kissing is okay. Boyfriend no kissing allowed (most times).

 

[The Nature Boy]

Jali,

Even the whole Merb population couldn’t have fucked 75% of the escorts let alone you and Doc together ( maybe 74%) so that is a pretty bold statement to keep making.

LOL! I would love to see his data that came up with that %!!!

I think it’s a better thing to say, some SP’s don’t mind kissing some clients, they absolutely looooove kissing other clients, and they don’t like kissing a lot of clients and feel they have to do it I guess.

Again its it’s like I’ve said before, I don’t think SP’s don’t like kissing, they just might not like kissing you, n some boys need to be able to deal with that.

On the flip side much in the same way it’s a physicians basic job above all else to relieve a patient of pain, it’s an SP’s job to fulfill some need of a client, whether it’s a fantasy, need for intimacy, some fetish, it’s part of the job description. Hence I would say it’s mooooore than fair to say that kissing is part of the job description.

 

[jalimon]

Again its it’s like I’ve said before, I don’t think SP’s don’t like kissing, they just might not like kissing you, n some boys need to be able to deal with that.

haha perhaps. Nothing close to Fly but I received my fare share of compliment from ladies... Perhaps what is hard to deal with is that a vast majority of SP are dfking you against their will.

On the flip side much in the same way it’s a physicians basic job above all else to relieve a patient of pain, it’s an SP’s job to fulfill some need of a client, whether it’s a fantasy, need for intimacy, some fetish, it’s part of the job description. Hence I would say it’s mooooore than fair to say that kissing is part of the job description.

TNB it's not a job. I never viewed what these girl are doing as a job. Yes they earn money for this. But it's not a job and I always tell all SP to view this as a short term activity to earn and pile some money. SP that do this and view this as a job I do not see them. They will be way to unnatural and mechanical for me.

Jali,

Even the whole Merb population couldn’t have fucked 75% of the escorts let alone you and Doc together ( maybe 74%) so that is a pretty bold statement to keep making.

If you are basing it on a sampling plan and statistics that will never work either because that is only good if you remove the variables and nothing varies more than the likes and mind of a woman.

Fradi fradi fradi... Let's say I saw 40 and 30 did not dfk. That's a pretty good sample don't you think? Actually the real number is probably around 80 to 85% who will not dfk you if you do not initiate it. Those who do like me will confirm. No worry it's like that. Hard to swallow for you guys. But if you have not tried it (no initiating dfk) you just dont know.

Cheers,

 

[Fradi]

Perhaps what is hard to deal with is that a vast majority of SP are dfking you against their will

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Jali,

This is what I find so comical.
Some of you believe that they are DFK against their will but they can’t wait to stick your cock in their mouth and for you to come all over their body or in their mouth.

Next time send some random escorts that you haven’t met before full payment upfront with an explanation that they won’t have to DFK you, set up a time and place and see how many will show up.

We all know exactly why they are doing it, any of it.

 

[jalimon]

Some of you believe that they are DFK against their will but they can’t wait to stick your cock in their mouth and for you to come all over their body or in their mouth.

You got something right

They like sex or they do not last long. So yes a vast majority much prefer sucking you cock or you giving them a go then dfk. It's just the way it is.

Cheers,

 

[The Nature Boy]

haha perhaps. Nothing close to Fly but I received my fare share of compliment from ladies... Perhaps what is hard to deal with is that a vast majority of SP are dfking you against their will.

TNB it's not a job. I never viewed what these girl are doing as a job. Yes they earn money for this. But it's not a job and I always tell all SP to view this as a short term activity to earn and pile some money. SP that do this and view this as a job I do not see them. They will be way to unnatural and mechanical for me.

look dude, I’m sure you and Willis are very handsome, but I still think that your are pulling these % #’s out of those cute little glutes of yours.

And it most certainly is a job, maybe not long term, but it’s absolutely a job. If it pays the bills, it’s a job in my book and I’m sure 75-85% of the SP’s will say it’s a job too and that they are very natural and very much GFE/PSE or whatever you want them to be.

 

[Flyingby]

So being a drug dealer is a job?
And Jalimon exaggerates. We both look like Shrek. Maybe that’s why it’s low DFK mileage

Alright. So all we’ve learnt from this thread is
Guys who need DFK and who think they are good at it know that SW love to DFK them

If we start the importance of DATY we’ll see guys who love to daty and think they are amazing at it. And their ATF loves to be datyed. It’s an art.

And next guys who are amazing at receiving bj will say girls love to bj them because a girls g-spot is in her throat.

So we can all agree to disagree

 

[hungry101]

How do any of us know when a girl is telling the truth? How do any of us know for sure who is telling the truth and who is lying. I'll bet that hobbyists lie all the time to girls about how beautiful they are etc. And then when the girls go to the car and bitch about everything from A-Z they are not always telling the truth. Sometimes they are just trying to fit in with the other girls.

This is what I care about: They show up prepared to do the job and they look like they are dressed for a date. They leave after giving me DFK, BBBJ, DATY, and MPOS. If they really like it our not I don't give a shit. I hope they like it and if there is something I can do to make it all go better I'll try harder but if they don't like it, oh well. Find another line of work. I didn't always like getting up at 5:30 AM to go into work. I don't always like my job. One thing I do like is living in doors, wearing clothes, and eating 3 meals a day.

 

[The Nature Boy]

So being a drug dealer is a job?

It most certainly is Gorgeous George, it most certainly is. Just an illegal one. It is a billion dollar industry (or would you not call it an industry too?). It pays the bills, and quite well I may add. If a dude is given a task to deliver 10 kilos of blow from Juarez to El Paso by this Friday and it doesn’t get there, do you think El Chapo will sit in his jail cell and say “no worries Chico, it’s not a real job”.

 

[cloudsurf]

Well said TNB, If an escort thinks its a job, and most do, then its a job. If they have a day job they don`t say that they have a real job....but that they have another job.

Jal I can name at least 4 girls that I`ve seen socially (and some intimately) that you have seen intimately too. According to your theory 3 of them hate to kiss. Well according to my personal experience 3 of the 4 loved to kiss. And none of them were drunk, advertising or expecting money.

I have to say though that they were probably aroused at the time since 3 of them were watching Sonia get gang banged and one of them had spent time with you prior to attending the party.