The Joe.T Memorial FM® Yankees Suck Thread for 2008

[rumpleforeskiin]

The Indians and Tigers have quality staffs as well.

Huh? It's my impression that the Tigers have VERY little pitching. With their lineup, if they had a pitching staff, they'd be unbeatable. I'm not alone in that thinking; a lot of prognosticators are picking the Tigers to club their way to the division title, yet the Indians, built better for the post-season, to win the WS.

Beyond Verlander, what pitching do you see there, EE?

 

[eastender]

Tiger Pitching

Huh? It's my impression that the Tigers have VERY little pitching. With their lineup, if they had a pitching staff, they'd be unbeatable. I'm not alone in that thinking; a lot of prognosticators are picking the Tigers to club their way to the division title, yet the Indians, built better for the post-season, to win the WS.

Beyond Verlander, what pitching do you see there, EE?

Verlander with Bonderman, Robertson, Willis, Rogers, plus Rodney, Zumaya, with Jones in the bullpen give them five starters including three lefties that have significant experience and have pitched 175-200 MLB innings in a season.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Verlander with Bonderman, Robertson, Willis, Rogers, plus Rodney, Zumaya, with Jones in the bullpen give them five starters including three lefties that have significant experience and have pitched 175-200 MLB innings in a season.

In 2007, the AL average ERA was @4.50.
Bonderman was 5.01
Robertson was 4.76
Willis was 5.17 in a pitcher's park in the NL where the league average was considerably lower
The 43 y/o Rogers was 4.43, while missing 2/3 of the season hurt.

Todd Jones was 4.26, near the bottom of the pile for closers.
Rodney who missed much of 2007 is on the DL with shoulder tendonitis
Zumaya is out until mid-season after surgery. Whether or not he'll ever return, sadly, is questionable.

Looks like a pretty weak staff to me. Their biggest advantage is that they won't have to face Tiger hitting.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Salaries have been posted for 2008.

New York Yankees $209.1 M
Detroit Tigers $138.7 M
New York Mets $138.3 M
World Champion Boston Red Sox $133.4 M

There are 11 teams making less than the difference between the payrolls of the Sox and Yanks.
There is one team making less than Alex Rodriguez.
There are 11 teams making over $100 M.
There is one team making over $200 M. Whether or not they'll actually earn it is questionable.

 

[eastender]

Better than Most

In 2007, the AL average ERA was @4.50.
Bonderman was 5.01
Robertson was 4.76
Willis was 5.17 in a pitcher's park in the NL where the league average was considerably lower
The 43 y/o Rogers was 4.43, while missing 2/3 of the season hurt.

Todd Jones was 4.26, near the bottom of the pile for closers.
Rodney who missed much of 2007 is on the DL with shoulder tendonitis
Zumaya is out until mid-season after surgery. Whether or not he'll ever return, sadly, is questionable.

Looks like a pretty weak staff to me. Their biggest advantage is that they won't have to face Tiger hitting.

Still better than going into a season with unproven rookie starters. Verlander is a stud, the rest match up very well against most of the leagues 2/3/4/5 starters. Three lefties give them an edge against most teams.

Many teams are recycling pitchers - Traber,Aardsma and the like as filler.
Rather roll the dice on injured Rodney or Zumaya than suspects.

 

[eastender]

Making or Spending

Salaries have been posted for 2008.

New York Yankees $209.1 M
Detroit Tigers $138.7 M
New York Mets $138.3 M
World Champion Boston Red Sox $133.4 M

There are 11 teams making less than the difference between the payrolls of the Sox and Yanks.
There is one team making less than Alex Rodriguez.
There are 11 teams making over $100 M.
There is one team making over $200 M. Whether or not they'll actually earn it is questionable.

Making or spending?

 

[Special K]

Still better than going into a season with unproven rookie starters. Verlander is a stud, the rest match up very well against most of the leagues 2/3/4/5 starters. Three lefties give them an edge against most teams.

Many teams are recycling pitchers - Traber,Aardsma and the like as filler.
Rather roll the dice on injured Rodney or Zumaya than suspects.

EE,

There's no argument to have here. The pitching staff of the Tigers is way below average this year, listen to any of the experts and they will say the exact same thing.

SK

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Rather roll the dice on injured Rodney or Zumaya than suspects.

Roll the dice? These guys can't pitch. Zumaya is out until at least July. And as for suspects, I'd hardly call Papelbon, Delcarmen, Timlin, and Okajima suspects.

Once again, you disagree for the simple pleasure of disagreeing.

As for Rogers, Willis, Bonderman, and Robertson, none of the above would make the Red Sox starting rotation.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Making or spending?

The players are making. It was to them that I was referring. Note the reference to the Yankees, "Whether or not they'll earn it..."

 

[eastender]

Usual Rumples...........................

Roll the dice? These guys can't pitch. Zumaya is out until at least July. And as for suspects, I'd hardly call Papelbon, Delcarmen, Timlin, and Okajima suspects.

Once again, you disagree for the simple pleasure of disagreeing.

As for Rogers, Willis, Bonderman, and Robertson, none of the above would make the Red Sox starting rotation.

Aardsma, Snyder and Corey are suspects on the Red Sox roster.

The listed Tiger starters don't have to make the Red Sox starting rotation.They just have to out pitch the 2/3/4/5 starters on the other teams.
Since there is very little pitching depth beyond the second starter on most teams the Tigers are well positioned since they have four that HAVE pitched 175 - 200 major league innings per season during their careers.

 

[eastender]

Rumplespeak

The players are making. It was to them that I was referring. Note the reference to the Yankees, "Whether or not they'll earn it..."

So now we have Rumplespeak to go along with Rumplesgeography.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Aardsma, Snyder and Corey are suspects on the Red Sox roster.

Duh! I know your smart, so why do you always insist on saying such stupid shit, simply for the pleasure of being disagreeable?

Of the three guys you mention, two will be gone by the weekend when Beckett and Timlin are activated. The third, and any of the three for that matter, is considerably better than the 12th guy on any pitching staff you can name.

 

[korbel]

Prediction from Joe.t from the city of Ottawa

1-Yankees 100-62
2-Red Sox 89-73
3-Blue Jays 87-75
4-Devil Rays 80-82
5-Orioles 64-98
6-anon_vlad -$320.00

Yankees are off to a fantastic start and with the win tonight they are just 99 wins away from the prediction of that great baseball mind joe.t.

Hello Joe.t,

Others on the thread provide REASONS why they think certain outcomes will happen. It sure would be nice to see you explain yourself one or twice this year instead of just blurting out unsupported statements.

One win a "fantastic start"? Yes, in the mind of Joe.t.

Now Matsuzaka had a very good game last night. I am worried about how he will do this year since last year was barely above average for any pitcher, never mind one at his salary. One game means nothing really, but in such a close game he showed real toughness and control. Though his pitch count might still be a bit high, he did throw a tight 62% strikes with 9 strikeouts giving up only 2 hits and no walks. Only a one run homer marred his effort. Maybe it's just one game, but it was a very fine outing for any pitcher at any rate.

Cheers,

Korbel

 

[eastender]

Activated

Duh! I know your smart, so why do you always insist on saying such stupid shit, simply for the pleasure of being disagreeable?

Of the three guys you mention, two will be gone by the weekend when Beckett and Timlin are activated. The third, and any of the three for that matter, is considerably better than the 12th guy on any pitching staff you can name.

Timlin has a recent history of breaking down so another trip to the DL is not out of the question.

Beckett is on the DL because of recurring back spasms. Back spasms in the cold northeast are not a good sign. Also any type of back problem will impact on a pitchers mechanics.

Better than any 12th pitcher on any staff. So what. Don't see anyone offering
anything of value for the three to put them into the starting rotation or make them closers.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Beckett is on the DL because of recurring back spasms. Back spasms in the cold northeast are not a good sign. Also any type of back problem will impact on a pitchers mechanics.

EE mathematics: Recurring = once

Better than any 12th pitcher on any staff. So what. Don't see anyone offering anything of value for the three to put them into the starting rotation or make them closers.

Of course not. One of these guys is the 12th man on the pitching staff. The other two will be gone within the week. So your argument is that the Sox pitching staff is weak because they're not getting offers for the last man on the staff. Nothing, nothing Joe.T has ever said in this thread borders on being as stupid, moronic as the shit your peddling here today, EE.

You've officially outdone even yourself.

 

[eastender]

Dl

EE mathematics: Recurring = once

Of course not. One of these guys is the 12th man on the pitching staff. The other two will be gone within the week. So your argument is that the Sox pitching staff is weak because they're not getting offers for the last man on the staff. Nothing, nothing Joe.T has ever said in this thread borders on being as stupid, moronic as the shit your peddling here today, EE.

You've officially outdone even yourself.

The reason given by the Red Sox, per their website linked via cnnsi.com, for Beckett being placed on the DL is "recurring back spasms". Check it out. Once would be after a workout or a start due to improper warm-up or cool down. A situation that disappears after a treatment or two. Beckett's situation is different. He was put on the DL after app 10 days when the back spasms would not stop.

Never posted that the Red Sox have a weak pitching staff. They have 8 or 9 quality major league pitchers while most other teams are hard pressed to get 5 or 6. Simply posted that the back end of their staff is not in demand elsewhere because there is a significant drop in talent.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Jays are facing Moose tonight & hitting him hard. He's also had trouble finding the plate. How come this grandpa is still in the major leagues?

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Jays are facing Moose tonight & hitting him hard. He's also had trouble finding the plate. How come this grandpa is still in the major leagues?

Oh, come on. Leave the poor guy alone. He's dealing with having Giambi trying to field first base. He's dealing with going against AJ Burnett. And now he's dealing with a baserunning blunder by Derek "Past a Diving" Jeter.

Sorry I didn't answer your question. I really don't know why he's still in the major leagues. There must be a reason. Maybe there are 11,000,000 reasons.

Why don't you ask Eastender? He'll tell you. Even if he has no idea.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

The reason given by the Red Sox, per their website linked via cnnsi.com, for Beckett being placed on the DL is "recurring back spasms". Check it out. Once would be after a workout or a start due to improper warm-up or cool down. A situation that disappears after a treatment or two. Beckett's situation is different. He was put on the DL after app 10 days when the back spasms would not stop.

Beckett was down for 4-5 days before he started throwing again. He's now back to full speed and will be back on Sunday.

Never posted that the Red Sox have a weak pitching staff. They have 8 or 9 quality major league pitchers while most other teams are hard pressed to get 5 or 6. Simply posted that the back end of their staff is not in demand elsewhere because there is a significant drop in talent.

Duh. No team in the history of baseball has had 12 quality major league pitchers. Your original point was that the Detroit Tigers have a good pitching staff. You were wrong. They have Justin Verlander. By your admission, the Red Sox have 8 or 9 quality major league pitchers; the Tigers have one.

 

[eastender]

My point

Beckett was down for 4-5 days before he started throwing again. He's now back to full speed and will be back on Sunday.


Duh. No team in the history of baseball has had 12 quality major league pitchers. Your original point was that the Detroit Tigers have a good pitching staff. You were wrong. They have Justin Verlander. By your admission, the Red Sox have 8 or 9 quality major league pitchers; the Tigers have one.

My point from last year that there is a lack of quality major league pitching
has been substantiated by you.

Besides Verlander the Tigers have four other starters - listed previously who have shown that they can pitch 175 to 200 major league innings. A total of five starters who have a history of pitching 175-200 major league inning is hard to find these days. So the Tigers do have a good group of starters that is proven. Doubt that you will find a starting staff with such depth elsewhere. Certainly not the Yankees.