Joe.t said:
They said Eric's earlier trouble was due to tipping his pitches, but the Boston pitching coach has corrected it. Eric is a local boy, so I hope he bounces back!
The Joe.T Memorial Yankees Suck Thread for 2007
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They said Eric's earlier trouble was due to tipping his pitches, but the Boston pitching coach has corrected it. Eric is a local boy, so I hope he bounces back!
Hello Joe. t,Joe.t said:That question would be better asked of Beckett who went from being one of the worst starters to one of the best, clearly there is some urine bottle tampering going on in the Red Sox clubhoue.
By the way its either "used" or "uses" professor.
Big fucking deal, lets get the champagne out and celebrate every time Coco gets a hit which lately has been about once a week.
There's a big difference between your rants about Beckett and all the evidence the author YOU CHOSE as a credible source and the documented facts HE cited about Clemens. How does a pitcher go from "1 game over .500 to 3 or 4 Cy Young awards. Beckett like M A T S U Z A K A can be said to have gone through transition pains. But Clemens goes from four years of mediocrity to king of the hill for several years. That's suspicious in the least.
Wake up,
Korbel
Hello Speical K,Special K said:
You mean "some washed up red neck" who Joey's writer hero Hench says used steroids.
Rumples, I think Joey is suffering from pinstripe fever aka PINSTRIPUS BLINDITIS . It causes the brain to go into cognitive rigor mortis.
So where is femaleluver2?????? Maybe he's under that rock again waiting for fairer sports weather?
Sorry Doc.
Great night,
Korbel
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Considering the encyclopedic mass of dumb shit Joe's written since he first infested this thread, that would be quite a feat, indeed.btyger said:
Magic number down to 18.
Look At Other Sports,Athletes
This look at steroids overlooks a significant number of other athletes, BB and other sports.
George Foreman - before and after his comeback. Won the heavyweight championship. No questions about steroid use. Look at young and old photos of George Foreman and the difference in muscle mass.
Pro wrestling is not a sport but entertainment. Look at the number of deaths where steroids played a significant role.Over 40 in a decade and counting. More MLB baseball players than pro wrestlers but how many deaths of MLB players at a young age may be attributed to steroids? Ken Caminetti perhaps but nowhere near the numbers of Pro Wrestlers. Look at the muscle mass of young / old Hulk Hogan etc.Are the accusers suggesting that somehow steroids have the ability to discriminate based on sport? Are all the "steroid accusers" suggesting that somehow baseball players get a pass from the effects of steroids?
Cal Ripken broke a MLB longevity record. A look at photos from his rookie season and his last season show maturation and greater muscle mass.
Why not suspect Cal Ripken? Why not suspect Tony Gwynn - look at his photos from his rookie season and his final season. Again you will see maturation and muscle mass. Does the fact that both were fan and reporter friendly play a role?
This look at steroids overlooks a significant number of other athletes, BB and other sports.
George Foreman - before and after his comeback. Won the heavyweight championship. No questions about steroid use. Look at young and old photos of George Foreman and the difference in muscle mass.
Pro wrestling is not a sport but entertainment. Look at the number of deaths where steroids played a significant role.Over 40 in a decade and counting. More MLB baseball players than pro wrestlers but how many deaths of MLB players at a young age may be attributed to steroids? Ken Caminetti perhaps but nowhere near the numbers of Pro Wrestlers. Look at the muscle mass of young / old Hulk Hogan etc.Are the accusers suggesting that somehow steroids have the ability to discriminate based on sport? Are all the "steroid accusers" suggesting that somehow baseball players get a pass from the effects of steroids?
Cal Ripken broke a MLB longevity record. A look at photos from his rookie season and his last season show maturation and greater muscle mass.
Why not suspect Cal Ripken? Why not suspect Tony Gwynn - look at his photos from his rookie season and his final season. Again you will see maturation and muscle mass. Does the fact that both were fan and reporter friendly play a role?
eastender said:
Hello Eastender,
Your point about fan perception of players is well taken. The real tragedy of steroids is that it's existance casts doubt on the great feat of any athlete. We all know human beings are capable of incredible athletic achievements. Babe Ruth's 60 home runs, Roger Bannister breaking the 4 minute mile, Bob Beamon's 29' 2 1/2" long jump, Wilma Rudolph and her miraculous Olympic victories. But, nowadays any spike in performance seems suspicious, and the players reap the finacial rewards while the fans are left to wonder if it was a cheat. Why shouldn't we question everything because of the well known abuses despite the fact that records can and would always be broken without steroids. It's a tainted world now and fans admire heros under the constant pall of doubt.
Of course it's unfair if some feats get questioned while others seem to get a pass. Because we will probably never know who has really done what it is unfortunate that we often seem to separate real heros from cheaters through popular perception or biased personal reaction. The nature of human faults cannot be an excuse, but it is the reality. What is truly wrong though is when a condition develops where the norm is to accuse rather than accept, and to make an accusation based on spite when there is no real indication of cheating is reprehensible. There should at least be some evidence, some unsual spike that belies the strong natural odds before we become vicious without cause. In the case of Josh Beckett, there is no unnatural indication from age, prior performance, or severe injury, etc to make a case for steroids: unlike the odds and indications indicating the validity of questioning Clemens' career. As such, Joe. t is far, far out of line and should be ashamed. When we come to the point where anyone is fair game for an attack, and accusations spew easily out of irrationality, how can the sport remain valid at all. Joe. t's obvious bias shames him not only for accusing baselessly, but also because such attacks unjustly impugn anyone who has a good year as well as any great individual achievement.
What's next Joe. t? Will you say it about the scrawny, boyish, unmuscular Clay Buchholz and taint his No No...and not say it about Joba Chamberlain who has given up only 5 hits in 9 appearances??? Is there any more real achievement in baseball Joe. t...or will you admit you went too far?????? Are pinstripes your only measure of honesty. If so your credibility at this moment is ZERO! Or do you have the guts to admit you were..."impulsive"...to be gentle?
Try some integrity Joe,
Korbel
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How not Why
The issue isn't why BUT how? Honest skepticism is part of the process.
Basing conclusions on baseball card photos or selective articles is not the way to go about anything.
DL history might be a reason to suspect but again the type of injury must be considered.
Home runs in baseball have spiked upwards during expansions - 1961,1969,1977,mid / late 1990's when the quality of pitching decreased.
or rule changes 1920 end of dead ball era,spit ball banned.
Korbel said:
The issue isn't why BUT how? Honest skepticism is part of the process.
Basing conclusions on baseball card photos or selective articles is not the way to go about anything.
DL history might be a reason to suspect but again the type of injury must be considered.
Home runs in baseball have spiked upwards during expansions - 1961,1969,1977,mid / late 1990's when the quality of pitching decreased.
or rule changes 1920 end of dead ball era,spit ball banned.
Conclusions...NO.
For myself, let me say that I have not made any firm conclusions about anyone except a few hitters with stats suddenly so high they orbit. The comparison between Clemens and Beckett was about having reasonable CAUSE for suspicion. There can be no doubt how one case is far beyond the normal expectations, perhaps even possibilities, and the other simply isn't. Canseco admits it and Giambi tacitly admits "something", but Bonds, Sosa, McGuire, and Clemens are definitely in the "that's INCREDIBLE" (suspicious) category. With them there is cause for inquiry. With Beckett...
give me a break Joe. t,
Korbel
Hello Eastender,eastender said:
For myself, let me say that I have not made any firm conclusions about anyone except a few hitters with stats suddenly so high they orbit. The comparison between Clemens and Beckett was about having reasonable CAUSE for suspicion. There can be no doubt how one case is far beyond the normal expectations, perhaps even possibilities, and the other simply isn't. Canseco admits it and Giambi tacitly admits "something", but Bonds, Sosa, McGuire, and Clemens are definitely in the "that's INCREDIBLE" (suspicious) category. With them there is cause for inquiry. With Beckett...
give me a break Joe. t,
Korbel
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Stats
Your stats position is very suspect. Look at the great NFL players who put up incredible numbers recently,significantly beyond the norm - Rice, Payton Manning, Harrison, Tomlinson, Alexander. No suspicion of steroids. Most of your steroid users in football are your fringers who need the edge to earn the base NFL salary as opposed to driving a UPS truck.Look at the MiLB players that get caught - again baseball mid to lower level prospects not your top level prospects.
Look at MLB numbers that are to use your expression ".......... so high they orbit." Cecil Fielder, Brady Anderson, George Foster,Roger Maris, Hank Greenberg,Hack Wilson, all had incredible single season home run years that balanced against their career numbers were out of character.
The age difference between Clemens and Beckett raises serious questions about your or joe. t's perception of cause. Many pitchers had to make adjustments in their early thirties. Beckett has not reached the 31-34 age bracket.
Compare Clemens to other pitchers who pitched into their mid forties.
Like Nolan Ryan, Clemens had better numbers between the ages of 41-44 than 31-34. Yet neither won 23 games like Warren Spahn did at age 42.
Korbel said:
Your stats position is very suspect. Look at the great NFL players who put up incredible numbers recently,significantly beyond the norm - Rice, Payton Manning, Harrison, Tomlinson, Alexander. No suspicion of steroids. Most of your steroid users in football are your fringers who need the edge to earn the base NFL salary as opposed to driving a UPS truck.Look at the MiLB players that get caught - again baseball mid to lower level prospects not your top level prospects.
Look at MLB numbers that are to use your expression ".......... so high they orbit." Cecil Fielder, Brady Anderson, George Foster,Roger Maris, Hank Greenberg,Hack Wilson, all had incredible single season home run years that balanced against their career numbers were out of character.
The age difference between Clemens and Beckett raises serious questions about your or joe. t's perception of cause. Many pitchers had to make adjustments in their early thirties. Beckett has not reached the 31-34 age bracket.
Compare Clemens to other pitchers who pitched into their mid forties.
Like Nolan Ryan, Clemens had better numbers between the ages of 41-44 than 31-34. Yet neither won 23 games like Warren Spahn did at age 42.
Checked and double checked professor Korbel's spelling in his posts today, so far no mistakes, keep up the good work Korbie my good man.
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Pot calling the Kettle black?
After double checking Korbel's spelling i found it too good to be true so i said to myself just to be on the safe side and help the poor guy out i decided to check a third time and look what i found.
Korbel my good man your spelling absolutely sucks big time!!! it is "McGwire" and not "McGuire", therefor i have provided you with a spelling bee game that should help you in your spelling and is also a lot of fun to play, just for you buddy.
http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_spotlight
Korbel said:
After double checking Korbel's spelling i found it too good to be true so i said to myself just to be on the safe side and help the poor guy out i decided to check a third time and look what i found.
Korbel my good man your spelling absolutely sucks big time!!! it is "McGwire" and not "McGuire", therefor i have provided you with a spelling bee game that should help you in your spelling and is also a lot of fun to play, just for you buddy.
http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_spotlight
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My little clown.
Oh TEACHER! You always capitalize a lone "I"...lol. Did you actually miss that in class? You forgot to capitialize it and the beginning of the sentence too. AND...you also missed my hasty error for "possibilitites". HOW did you miss that. Damn teacher...you suck. Where did you flunk spelling? Joey really, if appointing yourself the thread's spelling teacher is the best indication of your real abilities then go for it. I will give you all the work you want if you wish. Here, unravel this: akoiwzetlvspoaqcitrbhkjgflkwejhoipzefjgfejdbvhg. See you in 50 years...LOL!
Btyger was right. "Don't expect an answer from him." What he should have said was: don't expect him to be able to form an answer or even want to deal with the question. You are no Eastender my little clown. At least EE challenges others. So go ahead and show your true intellect by researching the names of baseball oldies if you wish. It beats lip diddling I guess. I leave the spelling dilemmas all to YOU! But your incapacity in dealing with issues is quite apparent.
Babble on my little clown ,
Korbel
PS
Some people actually work.
Hello Joey,Joe.t said:After double checking Korbel's spelling i found it too good to be true so i said to myself just to be on the safe side and help the poor guy out i decided to check a third time and look what i found.
Korbel my good man your spelling absolutely sucks big time!!! it is "McGwire" and not "McGuire", therefor i have provided you with a spelling bee game that should help you in your spelling and is also a lot of fun to play, just for you buddy.
http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_spotlight
Oh TEACHER! You always capitalize a lone "I"...lol. Did you actually miss that in class? You forgot to capitialize it and the beginning of the sentence too. AND...you also missed my hasty error for "possibilitites". HOW did you miss that. Damn teacher...you suck. Where did you flunk spelling? Joey really, if appointing yourself the thread's spelling teacher is the best indication of your real abilities then go for it. I will give you all the work you want if you wish. Here, unravel this: akoiwzetlvspoaqcitrbhkjgflkwejhoipzefjgfejdbvhg. See you in 50 years...LOL!
Btyger was right. "Don't expect an answer from him." What he should have said was: don't expect him to be able to form an answer or even want to deal with the question. You are no Eastender my little clown. At least EE challenges others. So go ahead and show your true intellect by researching the names of baseball oldies if you wish. It beats lip diddling I guess. I leave the spelling dilemmas all to YOU! But your incapacity in dealing with issues is quite apparent.
Babble on my little clown ,
Korbel
PS
Some people actually work.
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Is Korbel too busy having fun playing the spelling bee game i gave him, hasn't posted in while, it's a fun game isn't it Korbie.
Hello Joe. t,Joe.t said:Is Korbel too busy having fun playing the spelling bee game i gave him, hasn't posted in while, it's a fun game isn't it Korbie.
It's not a very good indication of your teaching abilities, or attention span, that you missed my entire post...LOL.
Well Josey, great pitching efforts by both Beckett and Wang tonight. Both gave up only 5 hits. But it doesn't look like the "red hot" Blue Jays will be sweeping the Red Sox...ya think...lol. But it should be an interesting race for the top pitching honors. However, the main result is no gain in the standings versus the Sox for the Yankers. Tomorrow is September 5 of course. That gives you only 11 days to close the 7 game gap to take over 1st place by September 16 as YOU PREDICTED. Ummmm hmmmmm...it's not good for the Yankers. Tsk tsk tsk....with Clemens out and Mussina throwing in relief, who will pitch for the pinstriped billionaires tomorrow???
Ta ta silly boy,
Korbel
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Well, it sure won't be Wang, Korbel. If the season ended today, the Cy voting would be between Beckett, Lackey, Sabathia, Escobar and Haren. No votes for Wang and his too high ERA.Korbel said:
Magic number down to 17
rumpleforeskiin said:
Thats just it you delusional dipstick, the season does not end today.
MVP- A-Rod(hands down), runner up the mullet man from Detroit.
CY Young- CY Wang, If it's a close call MLB would love nothing better then to give the CY Young to a player from Asia, runner up is too tough to call but i will give it to Beckett assuming that he passes every drug test that is given to him.
World Series Champions- Ask Kevin Hench.
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Joe.t's BIG ACCUSATION!
Hello Joe. t,
Are you confused? I thought you would be. You don't seem to have put this connection together from the Hench article on Clemens that I posted the other day. http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6871400 When you cite Hench as an authority on baseball you give Hench the same credibility on other baseball stories he has written. Therefore you are validating his accusation that the Rocket is/was juiced during much of his career and take it as your own accusation. Duh...get it yet Josey boy??? You cannot use Hench to back you up only where it is convenient for your personal biases...unless you are suffering from narcissistus hypocritis. Geeeeez a great teacher like you should have realized the hypocrisy before you backed yourself into a very bad corner.
Okay guys, I never said Wang or Beckett would win the Cy Young Award. I was talking about their chances of leading the league in wins, and that does not necessarily mean either will get the award.
Yes, A-Rod may win the MVP again. Maybe not. Wouldn't it be interesting if anyone considered for an award had to face mandatory testing??? Beckett and Wang have been excellent this year. So Joe why do you insist on testing only Beckett...well...your pinstripus blinditis is just too obvious. We all know how the world revolves around Joey's Rules...lol.
As for the Yankers winning the division...you're losing ground, you're losing time, and you have lost the questionable Clemens for a while.
Toodles my little clown,
Korbel
J'ACCUSE: Joe. t ACCUSES CLEMENS OF USING STEROIDS!!!Joe.t said:Thats just it you delusional dipstick, the season does not end today.
MVP- A-Rod(hands down), runner up the mullet man from Detroit.
CY Young- CY Wang, If it's a close call MLB would love nothing better then to give the CY Young to a player from Asia, runner up is too tough to call but i will give it to Beckett assuming that he passes every drug test that is given to him.
World Series Champions- Ask Kevin Hench.
Hello Joe. t,
Are you confused? I thought you would be. You don't seem to have put this connection together from the Hench article on Clemens that I posted the other day. http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6871400 When you cite Hench as an authority on baseball you give Hench the same credibility on other baseball stories he has written. Therefore you are validating his accusation that the Rocket is/was juiced during much of his career and take it as your own accusation. Duh...get it yet Josey boy??? You cannot use Hench to back you up only where it is convenient for your personal biases...unless you are suffering from narcissistus hypocritis. Geeeeez a great teacher like you should have realized the hypocrisy before you backed yourself into a very bad corner.
Okay guys, I never said Wang or Beckett would win the Cy Young Award. I was talking about their chances of leading the league in wins, and that does not necessarily mean either will get the award.
Yes, A-Rod may win the MVP again. Maybe not. Wouldn't it be interesting if anyone considered for an award had to face mandatory testing??? Beckett and Wang have been excellent this year. So Joe why do you insist on testing only Beckett...well...your pinstripus blinditis is just too obvious. We all know how the world revolves around Joey's Rules...lol.
As for the Yankers winning the division...you're losing ground, you're losing time, and you have lost the questionable Clemens for a while.
Toodles my little clown,
Korbel
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Interesting quote from Baseball America's Jim Callis, from the ESPN chatroom today:
"Frank (Oakland): Winningest pitcher of this generation: Clemens or Maddux?
Jim Callis: Maddux is going to pass him. Clemens may have won his last big league game."
If so, the Spankees will have paid Clemens more than $3,000,000 per win, more than twice as much as Ziggy Montana paid for his duo-overnighter last Winter.
"Frank (Oakland): Winningest pitcher of this generation: Clemens or Maddux?
Jim Callis: Maddux is going to pass him. Clemens may have won his last big league game."
If so, the Spankees will have paid Clemens more than $3,000,000 per win, more than twice as much as Ziggy Montana paid for his duo-overnighter last Winter.
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