The Joe.T Memorial Yankees Suck Thread for 2007

[Special K]

I don't understand how it is that the Red Sox have reduced Willy Mo Pena to pinch hitting duties while a guy like Coco Crisp, who is a borderline major league player at best, with no upper body strength to speak of, holds down a starting job. I heard all this talk that Pena is a stud and physically he does look like one, so I really don't know why a guy like that sits while Crisp starts, unless Crisp is blowing Theo Epstein.

Open mouth, insert foot! Hahaha.

 

[EagerBeaver]

SK,

The validity of my question has not changed because of one game winning hit (which by the ways was a "seeing eye" triple that took a very Red Sox friendly bounce as it headed down the line), and nobody has answered my question - I can only assume since there is no good answer.

Forget about last night - why is Crisp starting and Pena a pinch hitter?

Crisp's stats as a Red Sox player - 465 ABs, .256, 8 home runs, 42 RBIs. You consider this to be major league calibre?

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Forget about last night - why is Crisp starting and Pena a pinch hitter?

Quite simple, Crisp is an accomplished major league hitter, Pena a work in progress. Crisp is a competent centerfielder, Pena hardly better on defense than Manny is at his position or Jeter at his.

Pena is an Ortiz-level talent, but still has enormous holes in his swing. Should all three starting outfielders stay healthy all year, Pena will probably get some 60-70 starts, spelling all three.

Nice night for Crisp as Johnny (.267 without power) Damon singlehandly (well, a bit of help from the pen) blew the game with a maxi-collar in front of the four guys behind him who reached 9 times. Had Damon's night not been so feeble, the Yanks would surely have won the game.

The biggest question this morning is where's Joe.T hiding?

 

[EagerBeaver]

Rumples,

465 ABs, .256, 8 home runs, 42 RBIs is "competent"? I don't know what the major league average is for centerfielders, but my guess would be that Crisp is below it in BA, home runs and RBIs for a center fielder. Damon is a MUCH better player than Crisp will ever be, let's not fool ourselves, even though his arm sucks.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

465 ABs, .256, 8 home runs, 42 RBIs is "competent"? I don't know what the major league average is for centerfielders, but my guess would be that Crisp is below it in BA, home runs and RBIs for a center fielder/leadoff hitter.

Don't be a moron, Beav. You know as well as I that the whole season was lost to a broken wrist, never properly healed. Look at the 2004-2005 seasons. PECOTA projects him as the better of the two centerfielders over the next three years, likely starting last night. The banged up and aging Damon's decline quite likely started last night as well. There are questions as to whether or not we'll see Damon, with both hammy and back problems, again this weekend. Injury or shame? Only his therapist knows for sure.

 

[EagerBeaver]

I don't know that the 2004 and 2005 seasons were not the peak of Crisp's career and nor do you. Time will tell, but right now and for this season, I would rather have Damon as my everyday CF any day of the week and I am sure every major league GM would agree. By the ways you are quoting snippets of edited posts.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Actually, in 2005 Crisp (25) and Damon (31) were basically equivalent offensive players at .810 and .805 respectively. A baseball player's prime years are typically 26-28. Players who rely on speed typically decline more rapidly than players who rely on power.

All signs pointed to continued growth for Crisp and rapid decline for Damon. What happened in 2006 is that Crisp lost the entire season to injury and Damon compensated for his loss of speed by taking advantage of the short porch in right. So far this season, Damon's banged up body, in a very small part of the season, has cost him his offensive punch. It's awfully early in the season for a player to be so banged up. Will he get healthy without sitting down for a while? Is he still banged up from last season? Is he permanently banged up? Stay tuned.

The season just started. Varitek and Crisp, off to miserable starts, need only two more games like last night for their numbers to look healthy. With the Yankees starting minor league pitchers the rest of the weekend, their chances don't look so bad.

As for most MLB GMs choosing Damon over Crisp right now, not bloody likely.

 

[Joe.t]

Oh give it up rumples and just admit it that you were dead wrong on Coco Bust who couldn't carry Damon's jock strap, the Red Sox tried to cut their losses and tried to deal him several times last year, this guy will either be in the minors or on another team next year.

As for last nights game i missed it due to the fact that it came down to a very very tough decision between watching the game or a date with a very lovely SP, the Red Sox were lucky and got their token victory as they caught Rivera on a off night, i am expecting the Yankees to bring bombs away Beckett back down to earth and hammer the Socks today and tomorrow with Arod continuing his hot hitting(5 rbi's today, my prediction)

 

[Joe.t]

The massacre has begun!!

It does not look like Beckett has his good stuff today, Yankees already up 2-0 in the 1st, i say he's out of there by the 4th.

 

[Joe.t]

What a fucken throw by Canoe!!!, should we award him the Gold Glove right now!!!

 

[EagerBeaver]

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[Special K]

It does not look like Beckett has his good stuff today, Yankees already up 2-0 in the 1st, i say he's out of there by the 4th.

Keep the predictions coming dummy...you're batting 1.000 in Joe.t world with them...being wrong!

Beav, as for your assessment of Coco, I seriously don't know where you come up with this shit...LOL. A fenway friendly seeing eye triple..??? LMAO!! Yea, ok. Give it time Beav, Coco's coming into his prime after having an awful injury plagued 2006, believe it, he'll be far better than Damon in due time. As far as why he's the everday CF and not Pena...Read Rumples post, it doesn't get any clearer than that.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

i say he's out of there by the 4th.

Wrong, yet again. Or are you watching a different game with your head up your ass?

Crisp now has his third consecutive multi hit game, fourth in his last five. Beckett looks like he's settled in. Karstens got lucky in the third with three long at-em balls.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Hey Beav. Tell me you didn't know that Papi was going to hit one out.

 

[joelcairo]

Please don't ever stop predicting Joe T. You're making me a wealthy man.

 

[Joe.t]

Please don't ever stop predicting Joe T. You're making me a wealthy man.

D-Mat will pitch well tomorrow but will get no run support whatsoever and will he lose the game in a close one just like he did against the Blue Jays(My Prediction).

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

D-Mat will pitch well tomorrow but will get no run support whatsoever and will he lose the game in a close one just like he did against the Blue Jays(My Prediction).

I've heard that the Sox hitters are taking up a collection to keep the Yankees in town for another week. All of a sudden Youkilis, Lugo, and Varitek aren't off to such bad starts.

Looks like you might be right about one thing, Joe. The weekend is looking like a sweep. Yanks throw another minor leaguer tomorrow.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Make that "ripped" down the line and you'd be a bit more accurate.

By the way, not a bad start at all for Beckett today. One run was unearned, another, the run scored by Jeter in the first, was caused by a good hitter hitting a good pitch. The pitch that Jeter hit was up and riding in; Jeter got open quickly and ripped it to left.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

If the Yanks hope to come out the victors, Wright and the bullpen will have to do a very good job. I wonder, though, if that's not expecting too much from a rookie pitcher, who's just fresh out of A , or AA?, ball.

The only one expecting much from Wright is Joe.T.

The kid has pitched 3 games above A ball. While he aquitted himself quite well Tuesday against Cleveland, being asked to avert a sweep by the Red Sox in a packed house against Matsuzaka on national TV both here and Japan, with a huge hoard of media swarming all over the clubhouse before the game is really asking too much of the kid.

He's not considered a prime prospect. None of the Yankees real pitching prospects are ready. Their number one prospect, Hughes, struggled in spring training and is off to a rough start at AAA. Their number 2 prospect, Humberto Sanchez, had Tommy John surgery last week. None of the others are close to ready.

I haven't seen him pitch but I doubt that he's prepared, stuff and maturity-wise, for the Red Sox. I also can't imagine that he has the make-up, at this point, to face something like this without being affected. My sense is that Wright's best hope is that the rockets the Sox are likely to hit off him tonight are hit right at the defense.

Coco Crisp and Jason Varitek both played significant parts in the first two games of the series; tonight, perhaps Manny will come to life against this young lefthander.

The star of the series so far? No doubt. The guy who scored the run that put the Sox ahead to stay both nights. With 2 rbi and 3 runs scored: Coco Crisp.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

David Pinto is both a statistical analyst, a blogger, and a Yankee fan. His Probabilistic Model of Range measures the probability of a ball hit to any given defender being turned into an out. As creating outs are the job of a fielder, rather than not making errors, the following shortstops in Major League Baseball were worse than Derek Jeter last year: Stephen Drew, Aaron Hill, Felipe Lopez, Marco Scutaro. For the record, Julio Lugo ranked fifth, Alex Gonzalez fifteenth.

So if you want a SS who looks flashy, Jeter's your man. If you want an out, better look elsewhere.