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Originally Posted by lgna69xxx
"I can`t accept that we will display a losing attitude as we`re doing this year. We prepare for our games like losers. We play like losers.




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Ish,

Cammalleri was also heard to say, if I wanted this I`d play in Toronto where it`s expected every year.

ummmmm DUH, :crazy:

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I agree lgna. Your misquoting him or taking it out of context like you do is a low blow. The article was about the Montreal Canadiens, not the Maple Leafs and your quoting lgna makes it look like lgna is making the quote. If I was Mod 8, I would put you in the Pentaly box for 2 weeks, at least.
 

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Hmmm,

I agree lgna. Your misquoting him or taking it out of context like you do is a low blow.

"I agree lgna". "I agree lgna". "I agree lgna". "I agree lgna". "I agree lgna". "I agree lgna". x 1000.

I hope you weren't misquoted. :eyebrows:

I have no problem going back and forth with the "your team sucks, my team sucks, your player sucks my player sucks" silly lockerroom antics...

Poor guy,

Obviously you do. Every time there's a post within the rules that gets under your skin, you dump the rules, bringing issues that have been settled by the mods.

I understand your inner pain. Really. It's all about 44 years and half a season of losing without any foreseeable resolution and losing hope. This is why you are acting out so poorly and desperately using cheap shots. I understand and I sympathize with the tough plight of your devotion to a team that has won nothing in your entire lifetime. I know how it is. I waited from the time I became a fan 37 years for the Red Sox to win the Series, 31 Years for the Patriots to win a Super Bowl, 39 years for the Bruins to win AGAIN (since they got two Stanley Cups when I was a still a kid), and the Celtics...well the Celtics were usually winners. :D

I know it's hard for you especially when your Leafs still are not genuine Stanley Cup contenders, and you have to deal with seeing your rival teams and their fans immerse themselves in the PRIDE and sheer JOY of being the current Stanley Cup Champions. It must burn inside. But why let your jealousy get the better of you. This year your Leafs have a fair chance of making the playoffs. If they improved their defense they might even make it and possibly even win a few playoffs games. Of course there are no guarantees as a severe setbacks could happen any time. Why stoop to personal insults because of the hurt? The Leafs could suddenly get it together with a couple of key deals. But despite the fact they might never win in your lifetime you have to man-up and not let it get to you so much.

Maybe some day your dream will come true. I can tell you it's sooooooooo incredible enjoying being the real fan of the Stanley Cup Champions. I feel like busting with pride every time I think of it. Well...what can I say, it's just about every moment. YEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!! If your team doesn't earn one of these...

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...it's not the end of the world. But it's fantastic, wonderful, incredible, fabulous, pure bliss having won.

Cheer up,

Merlot
 

Doc Holliday

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I am so glad your not allowed to stalk me anymore with your 15 pm's a day berating me about nonsense also.

He did this to you also? He used to do the same thing to me & when i finally started replying to him, he went over & whined to the mod that i was sending him pms & that he had already told me not to send him anything, blah-blah-blah.

Instead of whining like the crybaby that he is, he simply could have put me on his 'ignore' list.

Glad to see i wasn't alone.

As for the trade itself, it's pretty much an even one for both teams. Calgary needed scoring & got rid of a problem, while the Habs needed to correct a previous mistake (signing Cammalleri, among others) and a problematic player. Let's face it, the main reason was that it was a salary dump.

This is beginning to look like the start of a fire sale & Gauthier has more mistakes left to rectify. Gill & Gomez are rectifiable, but i don't know how they'll be able to rectify the tremendous error they made by re-signing Andrei Markov.
 

lgna69xxx

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Exactly the same to me, word for word!... I let it go for months and when i finally started to reply and when he could not take it and was a defeated man, he cried.... hmmmmmm :confused: now who was it that just today accused me of crying? :confused:....... Oh yea! :lol:


I can see Cammy helping Calgary much more than Bourque can help the habs, at least this season. They ofton say whomever gets the best player in a trade wins it, well, like Burke with Kessel, the Flames win this one.

He did this to you also? He used to do the same thing to me & when i finally started replying to him, he went over & whined to the mod that i was sending him pms & that he had already told me not to send him anything, blah-blah-blah.

Instead of whining like the crybaby that he is, he simply could have put me on his 'ignore' list.

Glad to see i wasn't alone.

As for the trade itself, it's pretty much an even one for both teams. Calgary needed scoring & got rid of a problem, while the Habs needed to correct a previous mistake (signing Cammalleri, among others) and a problematic player. Let's face it, the main reason was that it was a salary dump.

This is beginning to look like the start of a fire sale & Gauthier has more mistakes left to rectify. Gill & Gomez are rectifiable, but i don't know how they'll be able to rectify the tremendous error they made by re-signing Andrei Markov.
 

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Toronto rated worst city for pro sports in ESPN standings

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/teamrankings#table
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/cityn...oronto-one-of-the-worst-cities-for-pro-sports


The craziest part is when you check the title track rankings, Detroit Red Wings are ranked number 1 and the Toronto Maple Leafs are ranked 110.

In this half of the century( the relevant half), their rivalry is meaningless because Detroit Red Wings are clearly at another level.

The only analogy that I can come up with to help describe the Winter classic between Toronto Maple Leafs and the Detroit Red Wings would be the following:

World War 1 military VS Modern USA military



What does Toronto have that Montreal doesn't?
Black and white photos of their past Stanley Cup. :lol:

The best part is that this is not a joke :confused:
 

lgna69xxx

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If stevie why gets fired, I am sure Brian Burke would take him on as a intern. :lol:

I said back when Yzerman decided to go with two old goalies and not upgrading his D, the bolts would not be as good a team as last year, but never did i expect them to be where they are right now. Lots of games left tho so time will tell and questions will become answers.


"Tampa Bay now dead last in Eastern Conference. Boucher, Yzerman forced to give hockey genius badges back. What a disaster in TB."-------Damian Cox
 

Doc Holliday

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I said back when Yzerman decided to go with two old goalies and not upgrading his D, the bolts would not be as good a team as last year, but never did i expect them to be where they are right now. Lots of games left tho so time will tell and questions will become answers.

I do agree that their goaltending situation & the defence sucks.......and the GM is responsible for this.

As for the coach, Guy Boucher, i have a feeling he must be a real prick to play for. I wouldn't be surprised if this is his last season in TB.

Maybe the Bolts could replace him with Randy Cunneyworth after he's fired (or forced to resign) after the season?

I doubt the Habs would now want Boucher as head coach considering the disaster he's been in Tampa Bay this season. I doubt he's respected by players such as Lecavalier, St-Louis, Malone, etc. They must be absolutely sick of this guy!
 

lgna69xxx

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Geez, the way "habs fans" as a whole were mad when steve why hired him away from the Canadiens orginization, you would think he was the second coming of Scotty Bowman in their "minds"
As for the coach, Guy Boucher, i have a feeling he must be a real prick to play for. I wouldn't be surprised if this is his last season in TB.

Maybe the Bolts could replace him with Randy Cunneyworth after he's fired (or forced to resign) after the season?

I doubt the Habs would now want Boucher as head coach considering the disaster he's been in Tampa Bay this season. I doubt he's respected by players such as Lecavalier, St-Louis, Malone, etc. They must be absolutely sick of this guy!
 

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Geez, the way "habs fans" as a whole were mad when steve why hired him away from the Canadiens orginization, you would think he was the second coming of Scotty Bowman in their "minds"

Many habs fans may laugh at me, but i actually believe that the team has a gem in Randy Cunneyworth. Unfortunately for him, he is at the wrong place, at the wrong time. It's extremely difficult for an assistant coach to suddenly become a head coach (just like a co-worker suddenly becoming the boss), especially on a team like the habs, which is constantly under a microscope and the coach being second-guessed constantly.

However, Mr. Cunneyworth (okay, i'm starting to sound like The Ghost) will not have difficult finding employement as a head coach once he's departed the habs organization. To his credit, he has handled the whole controversy admirably & his time as a habs head coach will be valuable experience for him. Coaching anywhere else will come as a breeze as compared to the current situation in Montreal.

Randy Cunneyworth is a classy person & i wish him well.
 

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Cunnyworth is a classy guy indeed and I wish him well... I'm not really impressed with some of his decisions so far though. Given his precarious status, I would like him to be more assertive especially his handling of some veterans such as Hal Gill. I like the fact that he significantly reduced his ice time but benching Emelin against Ottawa to me was a bad decision. Like many coaches out there, he coaches for the veterans first and foremost. The decision to send Kaberle for the shootout was also questionable regarless of the success he may have had in practice.

On another note, the Habs will not make it to the playoff this season but the Cammaleri trade was a very good move by PG. Unloading a fat contract and getting another big guy was good but the key to this trade imo was getting the Flames' second rounder in a deep draft (2013). Giving the status of the aging Flames, I expect this pick to be anywhere between 31-35 which is excellent value for Cammaleri. If the Habs were playoff bounds and close to the big prize I would've never made the trade (Cammy as proven to be quite the clutch player during the playoff) but given the current situation and the fact Cammaleri has slowed down and is injury prone, it was a great deal.
 

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I was talking about Boucher, but i do agree Cunneyworth is a very good coach and derserves better than what he has had to put up with from the haters.
Many habs fans may laugh at me, but i actually believe that the team has a gem in Randy Cunneyworth. Unfortunately for him, he is at the wrong place, at the wrong time. It's extremely difficult for an assistant coach to suddenly become a head coach (just like a co-worker suddenly becoming the boss), especially on a team like the habs, which is constantly under a microscope and the coach being second-guessed constantly.

However, Mr. Cunneyworth (okay, i'm starting to sound like The Ghost) will not have difficult finding employement as a head coach once he's departed the habs organization. To his credit, he has handled the whole controversy admirably & his time as a habs head coach will be valuable experience for him. Coaching anywhere else will come as a breeze as compared to the current situation in Montreal.

Randy Cunneyworth is a classy person & i wish him well.
 

Doc Holliday

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The decision to send Kaberle for the shootout was also questionable regarless of the success he may have had in practice.

On another note, the Habs will not make it to the playoff this season but the Cammaleri trade was a very good move by PG. Unloading a fat contract and getting another big guy was good but the key to this trade imo was getting the Flames' second rounder in a deep draft (2013). Giving the status of the aging Flames, I expect this pick to be anywhere between 31-35 which is excellent value for Cammaleri.

Tomas Kaberle participated in some shootouts as a Leaf & was actually fairly successful at them. Cunneyworth played a hunch & that's all part of coaching.

People will also have to realize that he's a rookie head coach who didn't have the luxury of being the head coach when training camp started. When is the last time you ever heard of a coach being replaced by a rookie coach in the middle of the season? Also, when you have a rookie coach, he is usually surrounded by veteran assistant coaches. He's currently surrounded by Randy Ladouceur & Larry Carriere, who had never been behind ANY bench prior to his appointment. Basically, Cunneyworth is alone. A Perry Pearn type of assistant next to him would have done wonders at this point.

As for unloading Cammy being a 'very good move' by the Ghost & unloading his 'fat' contract, well......Gauthier is the one (as Gainey's assistant at the time) who was behind his signing & gave him all that money. So when saying he made a 'very good move', it would be far-fetched since he's the one who got himself in trouble in the first place.

The way i see it, it was basically a salary dump & the trade is a fairly even one for both teams. Bourque also had his share of criticism in Calgary.

Finally, i'd like to point out to everyone that it'll take more than trading Cammalleri to turn things around in habsland.
 

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Cunnyworth is a classy guy indeed and I wish him well... I'm not really impressed with some of his decisions so far though. Given his precarious status, I would like him to be more assertive especially his handling of some veterans such as Hal Gill. I like the fact that he significantly reduced his ice time but benching Emelin against Ottawa to me was a bad decision. Like many coaches out there, he coaches for the veterans first and foremost. The decision to send Kaberle for the shootout was also questionable regarless of the success he may have had in practice.

On another note, the Habs will not make it to the playoff this season but the Cammaleri trade was a very good move by PG. Unloading a fat contract and getting another big guy was good but the key to this trade imo was getting the Flames' second rounder in a deep draft (2013). Giving the status of the aging Flames, I expect this pick to be anywhere between 31-35 which is excellent value for Cammaleri. If the Habs were playoff bounds and close to the big prize I would've never made the trade (Cammy as proven to be quite the clutch player during the playoff) but given the current situation and the fact Cammaleri has slowed down and is injury prone, it was a great deal.

Great post Serge! Very well said.
 

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"Les Glorieux have become Les Mediocres"

When the Montreal Canadiens sent superstar goaltender Patrick Roy to Colorado in 1995, it wasn't quite the equivalent of the Boston Red Sox trading Babe Ruth.

But it’s hard to overlook the historical significance of the lopsided deal.

The Red Sox sold Ruth to help pay for the Major League Baseball team owner’s Broadway production.

Roy left Montreal after a bit of dramatic theatre at the Montreal Forum, when he defied coach Mario Tremblay and spoke directly to team president Ronald Corey during a lopsided loss to Detroit.

Since St. Patrick departed, the Canadiens haven’t returned to the Stanley Cup final and have reached the semifinals only once.

Next year will be the 20th anniversary of Montreal’s last Cup win.

That doesn’t match eight decades of futility for the Red Sox, but it’s the longest stretch the team has ever gone without a Stanley Cup, unless you count the period between Jacques Cartier and the Canadiens’ first Cup in 1916.

Given the disastrous results of the first half of this season, and the debacle of the past few weeks culminating in the trade of Mike Cammalleri, it’s unlikely the famine is about to end this spring.

Roy, meanwhile, didn’t turn the Avalanche into the New York Yankees of hockey, but he did win two Stanley Cups in Denver.

Nevertheless, the Curse of St. Patrick is overrated. The truth is that Montreal’s transformation from glorious to ordinary had already begun before Roy had even joined the Canadiens.

From 1956 to 1979, the Canadiens won 15 Stanley Cups in 24 seasons.

In the 32 years since then, they’ve won just two. And while those wins — both with Roy between the goalposts — gave Montreal fans hope of sustained superiority, they were clearly of a different character from the championships of the previous era.

Unlike the dynasties of the ’50s, ’60s and ’70s, their wins in 1986 and 1993 were surprises pulled off by underdog Canadiens teams, not at all like the regular-season and playoff dominance of the previous three decades.

What diehard fans and the Montreal media have failed to grasp for 30 years is that the Canadiens are no longer special.

Even worse, they are a team with unique liabilities. Once upon a time, every boy in Quebec dreamt of playing for Montreal.

For the past decade, however, French-speaking free agents have avoided the Canadiens scrupulously and native Quebeckers have led Stanley Cup-winning teams in places like New Jersey and Tampa.

You can hardly blame players for staying away. Why would anyone want to subject themselves to the intense scrutiny and expectations of Montreal fans and media?

The French newspapers devote more pages to the Canadiens than People magazine wastes on Lindsay Lohan.

There was always pressure, but in the Canadiens’ best years there was also the opportunity for glory.

Star players had a chance to join the pantheon of stars like Richard, Beliveau and Lafleur. Now there is only the strain of unrealistic demands and the risk that — like Cammalleri — you can go from fan favourite to outcast in a few weeks, on the basis of a scoring slump and one or two bad quotes uttered in frustration.

Other dynastic teams survive in a media circus, like the Yankees and Manchester United. But the Canadiens have crumbled.

That may be due in part to the pressure on the Canadiens to not just be a winning hockey team, but a cultural symbol.

In today’s international era of the NHL, there are only two native sons playing for Montreal.

But a media firestorm provoked official apologies from management and ownership when the Canadiens appointed a unilingual anglophone as interim head coach.

Only in Montreal would language matter whatsoever, let alone for a position with a three-month term. Such is the crazy balance of having to manage a hockey team that is also a national institution.

The Canadiens are by no means a struggling business. Montreal is still third in the league in attendance this year, with more than 20,000 fans per home game. But that’s down 1,000 fans per game from their average last season. And the Habs are no longer selling out every game at the Bell Centre.

Compare that to when there was a waiting list for season tickets at the Forum. The days when the Habs were a special sports franchise are long gone.

Even the Forum is now a shopping mall. Les Glorieux have become Les Mediocres, and, three decades on, it can hardly be viewed as a blip. Unfortunately, it’s not as simple as saying they are just another hockey franchise.

The Canadiens remain unique in the NHL because of the unrealistic expectations of fans and the media, and the unique pressures of language and culture.

Rather than make Montreal a desired place to play hockey, as it once was, those dynamics have made it even more difficult for the team to win.

Read more: http://www.canada.com/sports/Glory+days+long+gone+Habs/5997576/story.html#ixzz1jg1jpj5h
 

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Tampa Bay now dead last in Eastern Conference. Boucher, Yzerman forced to give hockey genius badges back. What a disaster in TB."-------Damian Cox


I guess Burke and Wilson will be next to give their badges back.
 
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