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Bettman cries poor while NHL teams go on spending spree

Over $100-million in contracts doled out Friday

by Chris Stevenson, QMI Agency

NEW YORK - With the clock ticking down toward the start of the lockout Saturday at 11:59 p.m., NHL teams and players were scrambling to cut a deal.

Unfortunately it wasn't for a new CBA, but to register contracts under the terms of the current CBA even as it draws its final breath.

The optics are brutal.

Within 24 hours of NHL commissioner Gary Bettman standing in a hotel ballroom in midtown Manhattan and talking about how the owners can't stand the current system and need the players to take less money, a handful of his teams went on a $100-million spending spree to lock up players before the deal expires.

To make the whole thing even more bizarre, the NHL-owned Phoenix Coyotes dropped a reported $21 million on a four-year deal for Shane Doan which included a $2-million signing bonus. The Twitter-sphere lit up with the notion the league was giving a player $2 million on the eve of a lockout the league was initiating, making it easier for the player to weather a potential nuclear winter.

But the signing bonus actually was deferred to the end of the deal, $1 million in 2016-17 and $1 million in 2017-18, TSN's Darren Dreger reported.

Five years from now, huh? Just in time for another lockout, maybe.

If the current financials are so awful that Bettman is having the league go dark to get a better deal, why did the Coyotes, Vancouver Canucks, Dallas Stars, Washington Capitals and Detroit Red Wings drop more than $100 million on six players? QMI Agency figures indicate the day's activity at $104.7 million in commitments. (Not counting the $1.55 million the Nashville Predators are giving fringe forward Gabriel Bourque.)

Obviously the teams were willing to have those players under the current agreement, perhaps hopeful the league would get its wish to have players take a pay cut, but there's also a chance they will have to pay out every buck of the deals.

Yes, all you frustrated fans, you have even more reason to be angry today. If the current deal is so bad from the owners' standpoint, why didn't those teams wait to sign those players under the terms of a new CBA? They are obviously comfortable with having players under the current terms, otherwise why not wait?

It all seems pretty hypocritical, no?

Not that fans needed anything more to get them mad as the clock ticks down to the third lockout during Bettman's reign.

Things were quiet in The Big Apple Friday. As of late afternoon, there was no indication there would be any formal talks to avert the lockout, though there was some communication between the sides during the course of the day.

Meanwhile, another move on the owners' side -- having employees from the Edmonton Oilers collecting practice sweaters from their players -- came off as looking petty.

After two days in New York, about the only thing accomplished was an entrenching of the two sides as we skid toward the third lockout since 1994.

We saw 283 players players lining up behind NHLPA executive director Donald Fehr and talk about solidarity and their willingness to perhaps miss a season to get what they think is a fair deal.

We heard Bettman say he has the unanimous support of the clubs to initiate his lockout.

Now, with the formalities out of the way, we get into waiting mode.

Sadly, it looks like only time will trigger some pressure points that might get some movement from the current positions.

The next one might not be until the players start to miss some paycheques about a month from now.

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/2012/09/14/20200616.html
 

Doc Holliday

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Little sympathy for NHL owners

After all the ridiculous contracts, we're supposed to feel sorry for them?

by TIim Baines, QMI Agency

OTTAWA - With a CBA skirmish upon us, it’s mind-numbing when you consider some of the ridiculous contracts owners are handing out to NHL players.

Guilty as charged, the same owners that commish Gary Bettman says are united in fixing the NHL.

Let’s go back a few years. How about the $87.5 million over 10 years the New York Islanders agreed to hand over to Alexei Yashin? That worked out so well, the Islanders gave him a golden handshake and $17.63 million to say goodbye with four years still remaining on the contract.

The same team, same owner, Charles Wang, decided to give goalie Rick DiPietro a 15-year contract worth $67.5 million. He’s been injured much of the time since, playing just 152 games in six seasons, winning 72 of them.

On the Island, there definitely is a right way and a Wang way.

And we’re supposed to feel sorry for these guys?

Fast forward a bit. The New Jersey Devils tried to sign Ilya Kovalchuk to a 17-year deal. After a slap on the wrist from the NHL, they settled in at 15 years for $100 million.

Knowing that a new CBA might derail long-term contracts, owners and some of the richer teams rolled the Brinks truck up to the curb this summer.

A Stanley Cup-winning goalie, Jonathan Quick, got a 10-year deal; the Minnesota Wild gave Ryan Suter and Zach Parise 13-year deals; the Nashville Predators felt they had no choice but to match a 14-year offer sheet doled out to Shea Weber; and Sidney Crosby signed on the dotted line for 12 more years.

While Bettman tries to protect the have-nots, the haves continue to wave big money in the faces of free agents. It’s not like the commish can shake his finger and wag his tongue at the offenders. That would be some kind of collusion and unions tend to frown on those kind of shenanigans. And besides, the financially strong teams don’t really give a rat’s ass about the others.

It wasn't so long ago NHL owners thought they had stabbed a huge knife into the back of the NHLPA, getting the players to agree to a 24% pay cut.

And with the elite climbing all over themselves to hand out big-money contracts, the NHL is back looking for more.

Fans should be thinking about training camps and hockey pools. Instead, we roll our eyes as we listen to the rich trying to deal with the richer. Again.

BAD CONTRACTS

Ilya Kovalchuk, 13 more years at $88 million (about $11 million each of the next five years)
Vincent Lecavalier, 8 more years at $55 million ($10 million each of next four years)
Rick DiPietro, 9 more years at $40.5 million
Scott Gomez, 2 more years at $10 million
Jay Bouwmeester, 2 more years at $13.2 million
Wade Redden, 2 more years at $10 million
Ville Leino, 5 more years at $22.5 million
Paul Martin, 3 more years at $14 million
Mike Komisarek, 2 more years at $9 million
Keith Ballard, 3 more years at $12.6 million
Dennis Wideman, 5 more years at $26,250,000

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/2012/09/15/20201131.html

Amen. I totally agree with the writer of this very good article.
 

Doc Holliday

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Thanks for posting the link, EB. This is a very good article & i always respect Ken Dryden's analysis & point-of-view whenever he writes about the game of hockey.

On a similar note, if you haven't done so already, i strongly recommend that you read his book "The Game". It's by far the best book ever written about the game of hockey.
 

Doc Holliday

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No, the KHL games won't be broadcasted in Canada. Some of the AHL games will be broadcasted, though. And we'll likely get more junior hockey games shown on tv.

On another note, i cancelled my Leafs TV subscription. I likely won't ever bother renewing it again. I'm fed up of throwing away money to these billionaires.
 

joelcairo

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On another note, i cancelled my Leafs TV subscription. I likely won't ever bother renewing it again. I'm fed up of throwing away money to these billionaires.

Congratulations Doc: today is the first day of the rest of your life!

BTW, while the players are not blameless, I place 99% of the blame on the owners.
 

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Red Wings hit with Fine

The Detroit Red Wings have been fined an undisclosed amount by the NHL for comments made by senior vice president Jim Devellano in an interview that was published earlier this week.

The fine is reportedly in the range of $250,000.

"The Detroit Red Wings' organization and the League agree that the comments made by Mr. Devellano are neither appropriate, nor authorized, nor permissible under the League's By-Laws," NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly said in a statement. "Such comments are neither constructive nor helpful to the negotiations."

Devellano held an exclusive interview with Scott Harrigan of Island Sports News, where he discussed the lockout and collective bargaining talks.

"It's very complicated and way too much for the average Joe to understand, but having said that, I will tell you this," said Devellano. "The owners can basically be viewed as the Ranch, and the players, and me included, are the cattle. The owners own the Ranch and allow the players to eat there. That's the way its always been and that the way it will be forever. And the owners simply aren't going to let a union push them around. It's not going to happen."

Devellano also said that players should take 43 per cent of the revenue, instead of the current 57 per cent, and let the owners manage the rest of their expenses.

"Yes, they are billionaires," Devellano said. "Good on them, they deserve it, but they also make their employees millionaires. Not a bad tradeoff for a guy like (Boston Bruins forward Milan) Lucic getting what, $6 million a year? I mean good on him too, but he should be grateful. Understand, though, that these players want for nothing ... it's first class this, first class that, meal allowances, travel money on the road, the whole shebang."

The 69-year-old Devellano served as general manager of the Red Wings from 1982-90 and 1994-97, remaining in the club's front office since then. Prior to that, the Toronto native served as director of scouting and assistant GM for the New York Islanders, helping mold the dynasty which won four consecutive Stanley Cups from 1980-83.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=405840
 

lgna69xxx

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Wrong thread for your Sh*T Disturbing as usual .... play fair and play right or dont play at all, JH. ;)


All I know is the way players are talking against the owners and now stuff like this, there is a good possibility that we will have another lost season. Unreal :crazy:

And from the same article... The leafs are Dysfunctional... what a shocker !
 

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Are u talking to me Iggy ?

It was the article's title isn't it ? I didn't invent it but you failed to mention it.
And since it was talking about what is going on with the Leafs since Allaire's departure, I thought it would be helpful to all you guys from TO to know what the article was about.

That's all I'm saying !

Now seems to me... this thread isn't the Leafs's nation thread isn't it ?
bah anyway ! have it ur way !

DC !
 

joelcairo

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What a travesty to fine the best and classiest organization in the NHL - in fact in ALL of pro sports - a quarter of a million dollars because JD spoke honestly and with integrity in offering his insight and opinions. Although I am a lifelong hockey fan, I am appalled at what the NHL has become and it wouldn't at all bother me if it collapsed under the weight of its own stupidity, greed, arrogance and dictatorial nature.
 

lgna69xxx

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Drunk again i see.... do you have any clue as to what your takin about, because nobody else does either lol.
 

Doc Holliday

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From Ken Campbell of THN.......

Recent conversation between NHL owner and player:

Owner: ‘This is billionaires against millionaires. I’m the billionaire and I’m going to win.'

Don't be surprised if the entire season is wiped out once again. It sucks, but the sad truth. The owners won't budge from their current negotiating position until at least December, or likely longer. I can't see the players once again accepting a major pay cut in order to get negotiations going once again. Ownership wants them to agree to a 19.5% across the table paycut before any serious negotiations are resumed.
 

lgna69xxx

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You went from making no sense to no hope of making sense lol. Carry on, and when you decide to read the actual article I posted and comment on it and not some article that you think was posted, get back at me, until then I dont have time for it right now, sorry. ;)
 
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