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If he gets 2.5 per, then they overpaid another 1.5 mil over the 2 yr contract. Eller has a shot to be a decent third liner one day but he has produced 17 and 28 points respectively in 2 full seasons in the NHL, He is worth 1.5-1.75 mil tops. (lets hope they overpaid tho!)


***Update*** 2 years 2.65mil so a cap hit of 1.325 mil.... I'm shocked!
 
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If he gets 2.5 per, then they overpaid another 1.5 mil over the 2 yr contract. Eller has a shot to be a decent third liner one day but he has produced 17 and 28 points respectively in 2 full seasons in the NHL, He is worth 1.5-1.75 mil tops. (lets hope they overpaid tho!)


***Update*** 2 years 2.65mil so a cap hit of 1.325 mil.... I'm shocked!

Absolutely correct. Eller, who cost the habs Jaroslav Halak, will likely be a decent 3rd liner once he blossoms. You weren't far off with your salary prediction. Personally, considering how much the team paid other of its free agents (e.g. Brandon Prust), i thought they would have at least given him $2 million a year. For once, common sense prevailed & i congratulate Mr. Bergevin, bad haircut & all...
 

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Habs great Larry Robinson has signed with the San Jose Sharks as an assistant coach.

Robinson had been vocal that his first choice would have been to sign with the habs, yet they preferred JJ Daigneault over the veteran & well-respected assistant coach. Go figure.
 

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NHL makes initial proposal to NHLPA

The NHL has made the first move in labour negotiations with its union.

Two media outlets reported Friday night that the league has made an initial offer to the NHL Players' Association with several major changes to the current collective bargaining agreement.

RDS.ca posted details of the proposal, including a reduction of players' hockey-related revenues from 57 per cent to 46 per cent.

Renaud Lavoie, a journalist with RDS, also reports that players would need to wait 10 seasons before becoming unrestricted free agents and that contracts would be limited to a maximum of five years.

The RDS story also says that the NHL's proposal would bring an end to salary arbitration and that entry-level contracts would be five years instead of three as they are under the current CBA.

Larry Brooks of the New York Post also tweeted that the NHL's proposal would eliminate signing bonuses on future contracts and mandate that all future deals have an equal value for every year of the contract.

"NHL proposal amounts to Declaration of War against NHLPA," added Brooks in a separate tweet.

There could be small group discussions had over the weekend or on Monday involving NHLPA Executive Director Donald Fehr and NHL Depute Commissioner Bill Daly, with full group negotiations resuming in New York City on Wednesday.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=400580
 

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Philadelphia Flyers sign Shea Webber to 14-year/$100 million+ offer sheet

The Philadelphia Flyers have signed star defenseman Shea Weber to a 14-year offer sheet worth upwards of $100 million, sources told TSN.

A restricted free agent, Weber has spent his entire career with the Nashville Predators, who have seven days to match Philadelphia's offer.

If the Predators decide not to match the offer, they would receive four first-round draft picks from the Flyers, according to TSN.

Weber's departure would be a devastating blow to a Nashville team that already lost All-Star defenseman Ryan Suter, who signed a 13-year, $98 million deal with the Minnesota Wild.

A three-time All-Star and the Predators' captain for the past two years, Weber scored 19 goals and had 49 points this past season while anchoring one of the NHL's top defensive teams.

Weber, 26, has 99 goals and 164 assists over his seven-year career.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/8...-predators-shea-weber-100-million-offer-sheet
 

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Shea Weber contract magnifies disparity in NHL markets

by Adam Proteau, The Hockey News

In one sense, the Philadelphia Flyers did the Nashville Predators a favor by signing superstar defenseman Shea Weber to a mammoth restricted free agent offer sheet. The Preds now know what it takes to retain Weber – matching Philly’s 14-year, $110-million deal with Nashville’s franchise cornerstone – and with the new investors the organization has brought in recently, Tennessee’s NHL team has little choice but to match (unless it’s prepared to totally alienate the fan base it’s worked diligently to build).

However, at a time when NHL team owners are in full tantrum/clawback mode over the league’s labor relations with the Players’ Association, Flyers owner Ed Snider has just taken the Predators’ corporate head and turnbuckle-smashed it into the glass with a furious intensity that would make Weber proud.

Predators fans looking for somewhere to focus their collective stink-eye are advised to direct it at Snider and the band of big-market owners, not Weber or former Preds blueliner Ryan Suter. The multi-millionaire and billionaire owners, including Minnesota’s Craig Leipold, who acquired Suter and star left winger Zach Parise via separate 13-year, $98-million unrestricted free agent contracts, are the ones who control all the NHL’s meaningful reins of power and have the ultimate authority on any contract offered to a player.

And if initial reports are accurate, Snider signed off on a contract that will pay Weber a $1 million salary in each of the first four seasons…and $52 million in bonuses. Fifty-two. Million.

Philadelphia’s offer sheet isn’t exactly the same circumvention as Ilya Kovalchuk’s first contract with New Jersey, which was rejected by the NHL for violating the “spirit of the salary cap,” but it is a blatant “spiritual” circumvention nonetheless and a giant middle finger from Snider to all small-market teams.

That’s why owners such as Snider (a notorious hawk in all previous negotiations with the NHLPA) and Leipold (who got a sweetheart deal that removed him as Predators owner and gave him the keys to the much more profitable Wild) are such monstrous hypocrites when it comes to collective bargaining negotiations. They haughtily demand NHLers tighten their financial belts each and every time the league needs a new labor deal, then proceed to make a mockery of the agreement from the minute after it’s signed to the second before it expires.

Snider must know what will happen if the Predators fail to match their offer sheet for Weber. He has to be aware crestfallen Nashville fans will be justifiably soured on the way the NHL conducts its business and as a consequence will be less likely to invest their time, emotion and money in the league. He can’t be ignorant of the fact small-market teams functioning as de facto feeder systems and farcical versions of parity will be a drag on large markets and the overall profitability of the game. He also has to know if Nashville does match his offer, the financial strain on the franchise will make it next to impossible for the Preds to improve the team around Weber.

Snider didn’t care. He did it anyway. It didn’t matter to him that if Weber departs, most dyed-in-the-wool Preds fans will feel like their collective heart had been ripped out, thrown on the floor and had an Irish Riverdance performed on top of it. He is a cold-blooded competitor who will use every available tool to give himself an advantage without any concern for the ramifications. To be fair, Snider is not the owner of the entire league and his primary responsibility is to his franchise. If he didn't offer Weber this deal, another owner surely would. But he cannot operate in a vacuum of self-interest throughout the life of a CBA and then turn around at the end of it and complain about an inflationary process he and his fellow owners basically crafted themselves in the previous labor negotiations.

Given these big-money payouts – and it isn’t just this year; Brad Richards, Chris Pronger, Roberto Luongo and other star players in both big and small markets have benefitted from owners frothing at the mouth during the current CBA and paying whatever they deem necessary to land a player –why are NHLers being asked to help the owners save themselves from themselves? Clearly, it can’t be done. Clearly, regardless of the new labor landscape, owners who are pressured by their own egos and/or ongoing investment in a franchise, such as Snider, or by a perceived need to keep up with the Joneses, like Leipold, will always find ways to flex their financial muscles a-la vintage Hulk Hogan.

But it’s beyond shameful they view the NHLPA and the league's budget-conscious franchises as the Hulkamania shirt that has to be ripped off their torso and torn to ribbons before the megalomaniacal pose-down begins.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articl...tract-magnifies-disparity-in-NHL-markets.html
 
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my sources ;) are telling me the Rangers have acquired winger Rick Nash from Columbus giving up forwards Brandon Dubinsky, Artem Anisimov, prospect Tim Erixon and a first-round pick.
 

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At first this seems like highway robbery by the Rangers, but really after analysing, it is a good trade for both teams. The Rangers get a big talented scoring machine and Columbus gets two quality players and a D man that could evolve into something nice and a #1 pick. Nash was not helping the Blue jackets to anything other than last place in the NHL and badly needed out. The Rangers are now stuck with another bad contract but should reap the rewards before that becomes an issue. Good trade overall. :thumb:
 

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Bad trade for Columbus and only shows that the Columbus managment team are not qualified to properly manage an NHL team.

They got lucky in drafting Nash but they have a history of drafting the wrong players. They did a terrible job dealing with the Jeff Carter situation. Seems like every move the Columbus managment makes is the wrong move. This team has been in the bottom quarter of the league year after year and shows that ownership have no idea about the game of hockey to have the type of managment team that they have now.
 

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Jack Todd: Bettman is neighbourhood bully in NHL talks

by Jack Todd, The Gazette

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You have to hand it to Gary Bettman – the man has all the animal bases covered.

Bettman has the cheek of a cat burglar, the determination of a pit bull and the stubbornness of a mule. He treats hockey fans like a bunch of monkeys and his latest offer to the NHLPA was pure, unadulterated horse patootie.

Bettman’s most recent stunt was so cute, it could have been a Kodak Moment. First, he hit the players with an “offer” that was more like a rollback to 1994. Then, when he softened that “offer” ever so slightly, he made like he had offered an enormous concession.

Bettman is like a bully neighbour who knocks on your door and says he’s going to be taking your house, your wife, your kids, your cars and your dog. You mutter something about places where the sun don’t shine and he leaves.

Two weeks later, the neighbour is back. Just to prove what a nice guy he is, he says, he’s willing to make concessions. He’s still going to take the house, the wife, the kids and the cars — but this time, he’s willing to let you keep the dog and live in the basement.

Mercifully, Donald Fehr is something less than a complete, unadulterated fool. He knows that with the league boasting about how revenue has increased from $2.1 billion to $3.3 billion since the last Bettman Lockout, there is no reason whatsoever for any of this.

All the NHL needs is some meaningful revenue sharing. It needs to tell Ed Snider to stop behaving like the biggest hog at the trough: Snider’s Flyers tried to wreck the small-market Nashville Predators with an absurd offer to restricted free-agent Shea Weber, which the Predators were forced to match.

But Snider is (with Boston’s Jeremy Jacobs) one of the two greedy, big-market owners who have Bettman’s ear. He’s one of those insisting that the system is broken. If that’s true, guys like Snider broke it. And Craig Leipold of the Minnesota Wild, who whines that the system is broken and the Wild aren’t making money because player salaries are too high. This, of course, was right before Leipold signed Zach Parise and Ryan Suter to ridiculous deals.

If the NHL owners have problems, they’re entirely of their own making. The league has never been healthier or richer. There is no reason for the absurd offers Bettman is making, no reason for a lockout, no reason to lose another season.

Except, that is, for the greed and stupidity of the owners. Next time Bettman comes calling, Fehr should tell him he can have the dog and the basement — and that’s it.

Dumbest fan comment on the pending lockout: “The players are a bunch of overpaid bums. I’d play for free.”

We must have seen that one in the comment strings 100 times already and the lockout hasn’t even started.

Truth is, guys, you wouldn’t play for free – even if you had the talent, which you don’t. You wouldn’t stand up to the stress of 100 brutally difficult games every year, you wouldn’t help earn $3.3 billion for the owners last year, you wouldn’t risk the dark underworld of concussions night after night, you wouldn’t put world-class skills on display for free.

All that is a lot of horse hockey and the guys who are saying it are a bunch of pathetic wannabes who haven’t done their homework. NHL players lay it on the line every night. Their seasons are like running a marathon and getting hit by 230-pound defencemen along the way.

I’d love to see some of these “I’d play for free” numskulls out on an NHL rink, night after night. Humiliating themselves in public, taking NHL hits, seeing how their bodies wear down after even two weeks at that pace. It’s a dumb thing to say, fellas — especially when you can’t back it up.

Once a fool, always a fool: No one, not even Bettman, has treated NHL players the way they were treated by Alan Eagleson.

While posing as their saviour, Eagleson was robbing the players blind. He was caught and sentenced to prison. If there were any justice in this world, he would still be there.

But Bobby Clarke is noisily insisting Eagleson should be part of the Summit Series reunion and Clarke, surprisingly, has the backing of the majority of the players. No wonder it was so easy for Eagleson to cheat the players: even after it has all come out in public, guys like Clarke still don’t get it.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/Todd+Bettman+bully+talks/7181295/story.html
 

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Bettman is a bully, and so is Fehr,.,,,, as a former employee and as a Business owner i can relate to both. But in the end we as fans are the ones who will suffer most if their is a lockout. The owners are greedy and so are the players. A happy medium needs to be had and lilkely this time around it will but at what expense? Really does suck if we miss any of the season, that we can all agree upon I would imagine.
 

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Dion Phaneuf & Elisha Cuthbert to wed

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Actress Elisha Cuthbert is joining the celebrity hockey wives club after announcing she's set to wed Toronto Maple Leafs captain Dion Phaneuf.

The 29-year-old former 24 star announced her happy news via Twitter.com on Sunday.

She wrote, "Happily, happily, happily, happily engaged! This has been the most amazing weekend ever."

She began dating 27-year-old Phaneuf in 2008.

The couple staged a surprise engagement party for friends and family members at the New Glasgow Lobster restaurant in Prince Edward Island on Sunday night.

Cuthbert has always been a fan of hockey's leading men - the Canadian actress has previously dated Sean Avery and Phaneuf's Maple Leafs teammate Mike Komisarek.

She'll become the third leading lady to wed a hockey player in recent years - Carrie Underwood and Hilary Duff married Nashville Predators Mike Fisher and the recently retired Mike Comrie, respectively.

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Toronto/2012/09/03/20164656.html
 

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She'll become the third leading lady to wed a hockey player in recent years - Carrie Underwood and Hilary Duff married Nashville Predators Mike Fisher and the recently retired Mike Comrie, respectively.

There was also Willa Ford and Mike Modano (and if you go back a few years Janet Jones and some stringbean named Gretzky).
 

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I'll tell ya: next time I run into Elisha at the track I'm not letting her pick ANY horses! Komi, Avery and Dion - a trio that belongs in a glue factory!
 

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Quebec Election 2012: Quebec City could lose Nordiques if PQ wins election, Charest says

SAINTE-FOY, QUE. — How do you bring attention to your flailing, third-place party in the final days of an election campaign?

You talk hockey.

Better yet, tell a team-starved city that a vote for a rival party could nix its chances of luring back a beloved hockey institution, the Nordiques.

It was premier Jean Charest’s tactic while campaigning in the province’s capital Sunday, an area where he is desperate to retain seats in the face of polls that suggest he won’t.

Quebec City lost its Nordiques franchise in the mid-90s. In hopes of enticing the return of an NHL team, the city has made a major investment in a new hockey arena, to the tune of $400 million.

It will excitedly host a sod-turning event Monday to launch the arena’s construction, and Charest — who contributed $200 million from provincial coffers to the project — will be in attendance.

Asked by a reporter Sunday if Pauline Marois’ Parti Québécois could harm the city’s chances of winning back its team, Charest seemed to see opportunity, suggesting the NHL could be turned off by the instability of a sovereign Quebec.

If Marois is elected and Quebec separates from Canada, independence will bring about five years of economic disruption, as Marois herself admitted in an interview in October 2005, Charest said.

“Why take the chance?” he said, suggesting that NHL commissioner Gary Bettman would prefer the continuity of a Quebec City that boasts complete employment and healthy economic growth.

“If I put myself in Mr. Bettman’s shoes, full employment means people will have the money to go watch hockey. Then there is the other choice, with five years of economic disruption.”

While he admitted he could not bring back an NHL team, he said he would create an environment conducive to an investment by the league.

“We won’t make the goal but we can certainly make an assist and be on this team where we can work together . . . to get an NHL team,” he said.

To make sure his warning didn’t translate into votes for the CAQ, Charest criticized Legault’s campaign tour, saying he neglected numerous areas, including on the Island of Montreal. Because of that, “we’re realizing that, mathematically, they’re not there.”

Charest has therefore been casting Legault as nothing but an “ally” to Marois, saying that because the CAQ will not have enough votes to form a government, support for Legault’s party will only benefit the PQ and lead to a referendum.

“People who are thinking of voting for the CAQ and for Mr. Legault objectively will be indirectly supporting Mme. Marois and a referendum, and that’s not what they want,” he said.

Charest woke up Sunday to another poll, published in the Journal de Montréal, that put his incumbent party in third place with 27 per cent popular support. The PQ, which has led throughout the campaign, came in with 33 per cent support while the CAQ garnered 28 per cent.

Maurice Demers, cheering on Charest and his health minister Yves Bolduc at a farmer’s market in Sainte-Foy Sunday afternoon, said he doesn’t listen to polls and plans to vote for the premier’s party Tuesday.

“Charest has vision, and he’s very intelligent. He’s not aggressive like the others. He’s respectful,” Demers, 77, said.

Answering to concerns his emphasis on the province’s capital in the final days of the campaign could upset voters in Montreal — where his party still enjoys substantial support — Charest shrugged off the decision.

“Well, we can’t be everywhere,” he said. “The fact of the matter is that time is the rarest of commodities for us during an election campaign.

Asked what message he’ll take from a poor outcome for the Liberals in Tuesday’s election, Charest was frank.

“I’m confident in the result they will make on Sept. 4. For the rest, it’s democracy. We live with the result. We accept it.”

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...c-city-will-make-the-difference-for-his-party
 

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Flyers/Habs talking P.K. Subban trade?

The Philadelphia Flyers have reportedly asked the Montreal Canadiens about the availability of restricted free agent defenceman P.K. Subban.

The Flyers are interested in adding Subban, who has been unable to come to terms on a new contract with the Canadiens. Philly will probably start the season with three blueliners -- Chris Pronger, Andrej Meszaros and Andreas Lilja -- out with injuries.

Sportsnet reported earlier this week that he was close to signing a three-year, $12 million deal but so far that hasn't happened. Last month, TSN said Subban had rejected a two-year, $5.5 million offer.

If the Canadiens investigate a deal with the Flyers, they will likely ask for young forward Sean Couturier to be included, which will be a non-starter for Philly.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/09/12/canadiens-flyers-talking-pk-subban-trade
 
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