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Doc Holliday

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Laine or Matthews with the 1st pick?

I'm 110% certain that the order will be:

1-Matthews
2-Laine
3-Puljujärvi

#4 will likely be Tkachuk or Dubois, depending on whether or not Edmonton will keep that drafting position. If i can make an educated guess, they'll switch places with another team, possibly the habs who would love to draft P-L Dubois. It wouldn't surprise me to see PK Subban being traded to Edmonton as part of that trade package. If that scenario happens, it could be Edmonton's #4 overall pick and one or two big names for Montreal's #9 overall pick & PK Subban. Alexei Emelin could also be one of those players involved.
 

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Beav,

Do a little research and you will see why the Leafs are a LOCK to take The Big Skilled Centreman they have lacked since Matts Sundin which is exactly what Auston Matthews is, oh poop i just gave you the answer lol. I did not click on your link because it is silly to think anyone with even half a hockey brain would think this draft is "worst ever" ROFL! The first 12 picks will likely all be good NHL'ers with the top three as cant miss players, maybe even top 7 or 8.


Laine is lighting it up at the current tournament but look who his linemates are compared to Matthews, theres your answer why. Laine is going to be great and if the Leafs got him i would be thrilled but not as thrilled as getting Matthews which is a position much more in need and much more hard to fill.
This HW analysis says that many scouts feel Laine has overtaken Matthews as the top prospect:

http://thehockeywriters.com/patrik-laine-versus-auston-matthews/

Pronman says it is the worst draft class ever and neither Matthews nor Laine is anything special.
 

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This HW analysis says that many scouts feel Laine has overtaken Matthews as the top prospect:

http://thehockeywriters.com/patrik-laine-versus-auston-matthews/

Pronman says it is the worst draft class ever and neither Matthews nor Laine is anything special.

I've never heard of these guys. That idiot Pronman, whomever he is, doesn't have a clue of what he's talking about. Same thing with the other no-names who've stated their opinion on that website.

Here's what some dude named Rob Mahon said at the start of the article:

"Patrik Laine and Auston Matthews are destined to be forever connected to one another as first and second overall picks in the same year. The only question now is in which order they will go."

Say what?? Patrick Laine wasn't even the likely #2 pick just a few months ago. His countryman Puljujarvi was. Laine's stock went up during the world juniors. And only in the past couple of months as surpassed his countryman into being the likely #2 pick.

We knew three to four years ago that Matthews would be the likely #1 overall pick in 2016. And he will be, there is no doubt about it.

Iggy, how about you and me starting our own 'hockey experts' website and we try to educate the hockey world together? ;)
 

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It wouldn't surprise me to see PK Subban being traded to Edmonton as part of that trade package. If that scenario happens, it could be Edmonton's #4 overall pick and one or two big names for Montreal's #9 overall pick & PK Subban. Alexei Emelin could also be one of those players involved.

I am willing to put money down that Stubban does not go to Edmonton, especially for the amount you say.
 

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You guys are looking at dated scouting assessments. While it is still probable that Matthews goes #1 overall, a number of experts are opining that Laine could be the top pick:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...n-matthews-edmonton-oilers-mike-liut-octagon/

I saw a few other articles where this was being discussed, all before the world championships. It may now be a 50/50 proposition as to who gets picked first between Matthews and Laine.
 

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I am willing to put money down that Stubban does not go to Edmonton, especially for the amount you say.

I certainly hope that you don't get stuck with him Sol

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I am willing to put money down that Stubban does not go to Edmonton, especially for the amount you say.

I hope you're right. The habs would be a much better team without him, considering the players they'd be able to fetch should they decide (and they should!) trade him.
 

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P.A. Parenteau in discussions with Maple Leafs on new deal

by Luke Fox, Sportsnet

As the conversation surrounding the 2016-17 Toronto Maple Leafs centres on teenage prospects and draft picks, what of the veterans?

The club’s top goal-scorer last season, P.A. Parenteau, is set to become an unrestricted free agent on July 1, and he may be the only impending UFA Toronto seriously considers re-signing.

Parenteau, however, paced all Leafs with 20 goals, finished second to Nazem Kadri in points with 41, and skated more than 16 minutes a night.

So despite an unsuccessful effort to trade the 33-year-old forward at the deadline, Toronto is at least open to bringing Parenteau back next season.

"There have been a couple of discussions. Very preliminary. I would say every possibility is on the table," Partenteau's agent, Allan Walsh, told Sportsnet. "They have not closed the door to him coming back, but I don't think it's a decision that's going to be made now. I think it's a decision that's going to be made just before we get to July 1."

Mark Arcobello has already taken a job with SC Bern of the Swiss League. And one-year gambles on veteran wings Michael Grabner (nine goals) and Brad Boyes (eight goals) yielded such low production in 2015-16, the likelihood of them re-signing appears slim.

The Leafs lineup next fall will be young, no doubt — hello, William Nylander, Mitch Marner, Auston Matthews — but Lou Lamoriello & Co. know a veteran mix is necessary.

Parenteau was recruited by head coach Mike Babcock last June after being bought out by the Montreal Canadiens.

Last summer the Leafs were buying low. Certainly Parenteau will be seeking a contract more substantial than the $1.5-million, one-year deal he inked in 2015.

"Let's be very clear on this point: P.A. Parenteau loved playing in Toronto. He loved playing for Mike Babcock. He believes in the direction of the organization and where it's going," Walsh said. "The only thing he didn't like was not making the playoffs, and he would love to come back."

So, is it safe to say he wants a multi-year contract?

"I don't think it's appropriate to answer that question," Walsh said. "We'll come to a point where if there is a mutual interest, hopefully both sides can work something out."

One year ago Parenteau needed to prove himself. Due to a weak Toronto roster, he was given the top-six role and power play time he craved, re-joining the 20-goal club for the first time in five years.

"It was a good fit, and everyone saw him as an honest player," Walsh said. "He worked hard and he enjoyed being there."

There's a chance he might stay.

Parenteau in discussions to return to the Leafs
 

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Great! He should have got much more time however. Thanks for posting that ghg!

:clap2: :clap2: :clap2:

Seriously though, what does an article about a serial child molester have to do with hockey?

ps. Wait, was our good buddy ghg one of the victims?? Okay, that may explain a lot of things.
 

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The Toronto Maple Leafs got the ball rolling Wednesday by placing defenceman Jared Cowen on unconditional waivers for the purposes of buyout.

GM Lou Lamoriello announced back at the February trade deadline that he would be buying out Cowen, 25, who was part of winter's Dion Phaneuf blockbuster, but never dressed for Toronto.

Due to Cowen's interesting contract quirk, explained here, Toronto will actually get a rare salary cap credit of $650,000 in 2016-17 for buying him out, assuming a hit of just $750,000 in 2017-18.
 

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Coyotes GM calls Maple Leafs trade rumour ‘ridiculous speculation’

by Luke Fox, Sportsnet

Get used to this, John Chayka.

With the NHL Draft and free agency creeping up fast, the air is ripe for rumours — much of it fluffy speculation, some of it dead on.

So when a Phoenix teenager is set to go No. 1 at the draft, and with the Coyotes are considering trading up the draft ladder and the Toronto Maple Leafs holding the top draft selection, trade scenarios are sure to be concocted.

Speculation such as Arizona offering both of its own first-round picks (Nos. 7 and 20) plus either Max Domi or prospect Christian Dvorak (both London Knights teammates of Toronto’s Mitch Marner) to the Maple Leafs in exchange for the right to draft elite hometown prospect Auston Matthews first overall.

“I’m not exactly sure where people come up with this stuff. I personally find some of the reports that are out there are pretty ridiculous speculation,” the league’s youngest GM told Craig Morgan of ArizonaSports.com Tuesday.

“We’re still just in discussions, whether that means moving up or down, and up doesn’t even have to be No. 1.”

(Brief aside: I will eat this keyboard if Toronto actually trades the No. 1 pick. No one wants to be known as the GM that dealt away Matthews.)

Understandably, Chayka would not discuss the offers Arizona has made to move up from No. 7.

“What we’re really looking at it is, does this trade make your team better in the short term and in the long term?” he said, with an eye on his enviable crop of prospects. “We like our players a lot.”

Chayka offered up several updates regarding the Coyotes off-season in his chat with Morgan. Here are a few of the highlights.

He expects captain Shane Doan to sign a one-year contract with Arizona before the veteran turns UFA on July 1.

On coveted trade piece Martin Hanzal entering a contract year in 2016-17: “I talked to his representatives about his no-trade list, but that’s going to be our standard procedure going forward… I don’t want it to be seen as a leverage point or a bargaining chip. It’s just to say, ‘Let’s get it out in the open so we all know our options.’

“I wouldn’t have been there if I wasn’t willing to sign Marty to an extension. When he’s playing well, he’s one of our most, if not the most, impactful forward.”

Restricted free agents Tobias Rieder, Connor Murphy, Michael Stone, Klas Dahlbeck and Louis Domingue should all expect qualifying offers.

Impending UFAs Boyd Gordon, Alex Tanguay, Viktor Tikhonov, Kyle Chipchura, Eric Selleck, Nicklas Grossmann and Anders Lindback are all likely to hit the open market.

Auston Matthews to Arizona trade rumour
 

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Lou Lamoriello laying down foundation in acquiring Andersen

by Chris Johnston, Sportsnet

So now, they build.

If there’s anything to be taken from the Toronto Maple Leafs‘ decision to hand goalie Frederik Andersen a $25-million, five-year contract in harmony with acquiring him from the Anaheim Ducks on Monday, it’s that Lou Lamoriello is finally ready to lay down some foundational pieces.

We knew those pieces were coming eventually with Auston Matthews set to be drafted into the organization this week, and prospects William Nylander and Mitch Marner among those expected to compete for jobs next season. But in Andersen, the Leafs are adding something altogether different.

This is a player brought in from another organization at the cost of futures – the No. 30 pick in Friday’s draft and a second-rounder next year – who is expected to be part of the Leafs group that eventually rises out of the abyss.

“I love his competitiveness,” Lamoriello said on a conference call. “If you look at his playoff history, he’s always played well in the playoffs. He gives us size, which today is a necessity the way the game is played. But also, his athleticism is exceptional.”

You could argue that this is the most significant player acquisition made by the organization since the June 23, 2013 trade that landed Jonathan Bernier. All of the other deals since – whether made by former GM Dave Nonis or once-interim GM Kyle Dubas or Lamoriello – have been either tinkering around the margins or part of the teardown.

Andersen instantly becomes the Leafs’ No. 1 goaltender, and unlike the Bernier situation three years ago, the team has a pretty good reason to believe he can handle the job. He’s appeared in 97 regular season games over the last two seasons, posting a .916 save percentage.

The Leafs have been watching him closely for months.

When the Ducks visited Toronto in March, Lamoriello even found a discreet spot in the Air Canada Centre to monitor his morning skate routine.

From what they’d learned through scouting and other background research, the management team didn’t think twice about dealing away two picks to get him. It helped that they had put themselves in excellent position to spend that kind of capital given all of the draft choices they’ve been amassing.

“When you get a goaltender of this calibre with the experience he’s had and the success, I feel like I’ve had the good fortune to have similar goaltenders in the past,” said Lamoriello. “I think acquiring them is the most important thing. The price was secondary.”


A number of factors conspired to end the 26-year-old Dane’s tenure in Anaheim. Not only are the Ducks an organization with an internal budget, but they already had 22-year-old John Gibson on a team-friendly contract that carries a $2.3-million AAV for the next three seasons.

With Andersen in line for a raise and the Ducks only able to protect one of those goalies in an expansion draft next June, they had to make a choice.

“This was a situation that just had to happen at this point in time,” explained Ducks GM Bob Murray. “There was no way to avoid it.”

For Andersen, it will be a significant change of scenery. Not only will the atmosphere and attention be totally different, but he’s also joining the NHL’s 30th-place team after appearing in Stanley Cup playoff games each of the last three seasons in Anaheim.

It says something about his buy-in with the Leafs that he agreed to a five-year contract. He could have become an unrestricted free agent next summer, but was willing to give up four UFA years as part of this deal.

The Ducks are the only NHL team he’s ever played for – Carolina originally drafted Andersen in 2010, but he re-entered in 2012 and Anaheim snagged him in the third round – and his agent, Claude Lemieux, had some contract discussions about an extension with Murray this offseason.

“At the end of the day it didn’t work out,” said Andersen. “Now I’m just happy about being in a spot, a big hockey market. It’s going to be a lot of fun developing with this young team that’s very hungry for success and it’s going to be a very good experience.”

After an 18-month period where virtually every new member of the Leafs seemed to have the permanence of a grain of sand in a hurricane, this is something different. A six-foot-four goaltender that will shoulder some hopes and expectations for the organization.

Who knows? It might even be safe to buy a sweater adorned with his name.

The Leafs signalled a change in the landscape with this trade and the healthy contract that came with it.

“I think it’s extremely important,” said Lamoriello. “I think that he has to know that he’s our No. 1 goaltender and that the support is there, the confidence is there and the commitment’s there.”

They aren’t just acquiring placeholders and making rebuilding moves now.
 

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huge over-payment

Leafs gave up desirable picks to award a big-money, long-term contract to a goalie who produced mediocre numbers for a strong team (#2 goalie which Anaheim didn't want).

Is a backup the Ducks found expendable any better than Bernier or Reimer. Stats say not.

How long will it be before this guy is run out of town like Bernier, Reimer, Raycroft, ... etc ....
 

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The Keith Yandle experiment has totally failed

His rights were traded yesterday to Florida for nothing

Bad enough we traded Duclair and the # 20 pick in Thursday's draft for...nothing :rant:

My guess is that Yandle will end up in Boston

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He was much better than Price last season :pound: He would have had many more wins if Anaheim new how to score the first half of the season as well.

GREAT sigining by LouLam and the Leafs at a fair cost for a #1 goalie. Love it! The excellent offseason continues friday in Buffalo NY where franchise centreman Auston Matthews will be the #1 pick.
Leafs gave up desirable picks to award a big-money, long-term contract to a goalie who produced mediocre numbers for a strong team (#2 goalie which Anaheim didn't want).

Is a backup the Ducks found expendable any better than Bernier or Reimer. Stats say not.

How long will it be before this guy is run out of town like Bernier, Reimer, Raycroft, ... etc ....
 

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Lamoriello on Leafs: 'Everything is about going forward'

by Steve Simmons, Toronto Sun

“Decisions,” Lou Lamoriello says — and then he repeats the word just to make sure he is being clear.

He doesn’t like to tell you much. That’s his style. He is more than cordial and less than revealing about the business of his Toronto Maple Leafs.

But he will tell you this: He plans on being busy and active, preparing still for this weekend’s NHL draft, working the phones for trades — he made a lot of calls to a lot of hockey people and wound up with goaltender Frederik Andersen on Monday — seeing what other deals can be made, putting in hours on possible free agents and trying to figure out what’s next for this Rubik’s Cube of a roster with the rather odd payroll circumstance.

“We have a lot of decisions to make,” said the general manager of Leafs. “A lot of decisions.”

The first big one after Andersen may be the most comfortable. The Leafs will draft Auston Matthews with the first pick in the NHL draft on Friday night. He becomes the centrepiece of Lamoriello’s rebuild. Lamoriello is less than one year on the job, a 73-year-old growing younger by the day.

No matter how much he will try to limit the hype around Matthews — and he will — the big natural centre buys Lamoriello a little time and some possibilities as he actively works on bringing the Leafs back to competitive relevance.

This is the circumstance he has inherited here in Toronto. His highest-paid player is Nathan Horton, whose career is over. His second-highest-paid player is Joffrey Lupul, who has told friends he believes he’s played his last game as a Leaf. Just how Lamoriello will finesse his way out of this will certainly be worth monitoring.

Some of his other top-salaried players are Brooks Laich at $4.5 million a year; Milan Michalek at $4 million a year; Jonathan Bernier at $4.1 million a year. Counting the money the Leafs still pay Phil Kessel, that’s more than $25 million for players not expected to be prominent in any way in the Leafs lineup.

When I asked Lamoriello if he has to get his payroll in some kind of logical order, he answered rather clearly without really answering at all.

“I think you’ve got a handle on it,” he said. “There were things that were done here for reasons. To put the plan in place, sometimes you have to take a step back to go forward. You’ll see all of this form some type of picture in the near future.

“This is all just part of the process. We can’t get ahead of ourselves. Even if we take a step back, it will always be so we can take a step forward. Everything is about going forward.”

Matthews instantly changes the depth at centre, and certainly the size and skill level at a position in which the Leafs have struggled since Mats Sundin departed in 2008. Sundin, a first-overall pick by Quebec, led the Leafs to the post-season in eight of his 13 seasons in Toronto, missing in the final three years of the mistake-filled John Ferguson Jr. era. The Leafs have not been in the playoffs after an 82-game season since Sundin’s departure.

There are scouts who make favourable comparisons between Matthews and Sundin, although they are stylistically diverse, about the impact Matthews can eventually exert in Toronto.

The challenge for Lamoriello is complicated, although he did take care of one area with the acquisition of Andersen. He believes his goaltending is in good hands for the next five years and maybe more.

“We did a lot of work on him,” he said. “We’re confident in his abilities.”

The rest of the roster is confounding and exciting. Up front, along with Matthews, there is a long list of prospects of some quality to go along with young veterans such as James van Riemsdyk, Nazem Kadri and Tyler Bozak.

Lamoriello doesn’t like to publicly discuss where his youth is at and where it might be going, but with Matthews, Mitch Marner, William Nylander, Connor Brown, Nikita Soshnikov, Kasperi Kapanen and Dmytro Timashov, there is a buffet of young players — 22 and under — and if half emerge, the Leafs will be OK.

There are the older youngsters, Zach Hyman, 24, and Josh Leivo, a restricted free agent at 23, who may factor in some way.

“We can’t say where our players are at,” said Lamoriello. “Players develop at their own pace. You can’t put a time frame on things. We’re not going to rush anybody. If anything, we’re going to be late rather than early.”

Marner’s stock has risen after a magnificent junior season and record-breaking Memorial Cup. He should start next season in Toronto.

Nylander looked like an NHL player at the end of the season, but disappointed some Leafs people with an understated playoff run. The Leafs are a little concerned about where he is as a player.

Brown has been an organizational favourite since turning professional. Hyman plays the hard-on-the-puck game that Brendan Shanahan so admires, as does Soshnikov, who brings a major-league shot in his arsenal.

Pittsburgh just won a Stanley Cup with terrific speed, not much size, and nine scoring forwards instead of six. The Leafs may be headed in a similar direction with their depth up front.

There are still places for the veterans such as Laich and Michalek, and a first-line spot for JVR, assuming the Leafs don’t move him for a quality defenceman.

Defence is where the Leafs are most thin. They have Morgan Rielly signed for the next six years and, after playing in the world championships for Canada and then for the young guns team at the World Cup of hockey, he should come back in October a more polished player than he left. He is the prize on defence.

After that, and a big improvement from Jake Gardiner under coach Mike Babcock, there are mostly questions.

Which Martin Marincin will play for the Leafs? The first-half defenceman who barely looked the part of NHL player, or the second-half player who graded out well to finish the season?

How quickly will Nikita Zaitsev, a stay-at-home defenceman, adjust from KHL to NHL? Is there a place for Babcock favourite Matt Hunwick? The more he played, the more exposed he seemed.

Lamoriello wouldn’t admit the Leafs are thin on the blue line — “I really don’t know what the definition of thin is,” he said — but it’s clear he realizes this is an organizational area that needs all kinds of upgrade. Based on his late-season run and his play with the Marlies, the Leafs need to sign restricted free agent Connor Carrick, who should find a place on the Toronto defence. But this is an area, through draft, trade and possibly free agency, that Lamoriello and Co. will address.

What Lamoriello is most impressed with after 11 months on the job: His own staff. The staff he mostly inherited from Brendan Shanahan.

“What Mike (Babcock) did with our group, what our scouting staff has done, how we’ve stayed on the same page. We know what needs to be done and we’re working together to do it.

“I marvel at the job they did with Gardiner, the way he played. There’s still so much work to do. We have our young players like Rielly and Kadri, who are part of our core. Now we have to do work in every area to get better with everything we do.”

Lamoriello won’t say a word about free agency, about the availability of Steven Stamkos — or any player for that matter. By the rules of the NHL, he can’t say anything.

But by the rules of Lou, he won’t even go off the record — the way some general managers will — to give you a hint about the direction he’s heading.

“You know I can’t answer that,” he said. “I really don’t talk about anyone else’s players. And that shouldn’t be read one way or the other.

“Right now, our focus is on the draft. We have 11 more picks. We’re staying the course here. Every day is different, things change, factors change, but the plan stays the same. We stay the course. We have to stay the course.”

MAPLE LEAFS DEPTH CHART

This is how Postmedia views the Leafs organizational depth. Note: positions of forwards, especially wingers, can be changed at the whim of coach Mike Babcock.

Left wing

James van Riemsdyk
Leo Komarov
Milan Michalek
Josh Leivo (RFA)
Colin Greening
Dmytro Timashov
Centre

Auston Matthews
Nazem Kadri
Tyler Bozak
Brooks Laich
Byron Froese
Right wing

William Nylander
Zach Hyman
Nikita Soshnikov
Mitch Marner
Connor Brown
Peter Holland
Joffrey Lupul
Kasperi Kapanen
Left D

Jake Gardiner
Martin Marincin
Matt Hunwick
Rinat Valiev
Right D

Morgan Rielly
Nikita Zaitsev
Connor Carrick (RFA)
Frankie Corrado (RFA)
Goalie

Frederik Andersen
Jonathan Bernier
 
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