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dont ever accuse me of a ftard post again, lol..... you and your red sox "brotherhood" do a fine job of those on your own , lol..... btw, Happy New Years!... did you see there was actually a boston team that is considered a PROFESSIONAL team with real talent playing at fenway today? now thats something you rarely see :p
Comon' Merlot...this is a sucker bet if I ever saw one...lol
And joel - you're just not giving the poor guy a chance with a post like yours...:p
 

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Merlot,
He's 0 for 1

Iggy,
Happy New Year!
LOL, funny man...
 

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Iggy,
Happy New Year!
LOL, funny man...
Since when, jman, are funny and stupid synonyms? Frankly, I'm not amused by his idiocy; it's boring.

I'll bet you Iggy can't make three posts in a row where he both does a real baseball evaluation.
Actually, Merlot, he can't make one post in a row where he shows any knowledge of the game. K started this thread and specifically stated that it was for discussion and information. Unfortunately, the ignaranter can't read and polluted the thread almost immediately. This really isn't enjoyable, but, unfortunately, there probably isn't any way to make the asshole disappear.
 

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Since when, jman, are funny and stupid synonyms? Frankly, I'm not amused by his idiocy; it's boring.

Good Morning rumples,
Borish...OUI!
Could not think of a precise reply, other than to use the word tolerance...Iggy will start to talk serious baseball...one of these days...:D

Some quotes to express tolerance.

What is tolerance? -- it is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly -- that is the first law of nature.
Voltaire

New Year's Resolution: To tolerate fools more gladly, provided this does not encourage them to take up more of my time.
James Agate

There is so much good in the worst of us, and so much bad in the best of us, that it behooves all of us not to talk about the rest of us.
Robert Louis Stevenson
 

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In an effort to get things back to baseball and in the vacuum of any other significant signings - here's a relevant topic:


Discussion: Which Team Has Improved The Most?

By Mike Axisa [January 2, 2010 at 1:58pm CST]
There's still a long way to go this offseason, however that won't stop us from debating which team has improved it's roster the most (so far).
The Red Sox have added the likes of John Lackey, Mike Cameron, Marco Scutaro, and Jeremy Hermida while losing Jason Bay, Billy Wagner, and Takashi Saito. Meanwhile, the Yankees replaced Hideki Matsui, Johnny Damon, and Melky Cabrera with Nick Johnson, Curtis Granderson, and Javier Vazquez. The Mariners added Cliff Lee, Chone Figgins, and Milton Bradley while the Phillies imported Roy Halladay and Placido Polanco.
There are no shortage of teams that qualify for the title of "most improved," however determining which team actually deserves it will be tough.



Bias and favoritism aside, I have to say the Mariners have improved the most...so far...;)
Unf***ktarded thoughts welcomed...:D
 
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the Phillies for sure, imagine them next season with alot more wins with halladays automatic 15-20, not to mention how valuable he could be in post season, seattle also improved as well as the yanks, not sure about the sox tho, yes they got lackey but he is ofton injury proned and his era at fenway is almost 6.00 lifetime, and cameron is 36 and well, he is no jason bay.... time will tell..
 

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Are the Red Sox the new Yankees?
December 18, 2009 by Tony Andracki
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With the recent signings of John Lackey and Mike Cameron, the Red Sox are looking more and more like their division rivals, the Yankees.

With their storied and wildly successful history and their willingness to just throw money at any potential free agents, the Yankees have found their way into one of two categories in baseball fans hearts—the love column, or the hate column. Naysayers think that the Yankees just buy championships, and the $423 million they just shelled out for C.C. Sabathia, A.J. Burnett and Mark Teixeira before they won the ’09 World Series didn’t do anything to help quiet those criticisms.

On the other hand, some fans love them because of their incredible and unparalleled success, as their 27 World Championships would indicate.

However, recently the Boston Red Sox haven’t been much better. The Bostonians went more than 80 years without a Championship to their name, before finding the success the sought twice in four years. The World Series wins didn’t satisfy their hunger (as nobody would expect they would), and instead left the Red Sox with an even larger appetite. Instead of sticking to the game plan that helped them garner their first Championship in ’04, Boston upper management has gone the other route, the route of the Yankees.

The Red Sox are following suit, turning their intense fan base and big-budget owner into enticing deals for potential free agents. The signings of Lackey and Cameron are just further proof that Boston has established itself as a big-budget team. Neither were absolute necessities, as the Red Sox already had five capable starters in Josh Beckett, Jon Lester, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Tim Wakefield and Clay Buchholz and three quality outfielders in Jacoby Ellsbury, J.D. Drew and Jeremy Hermida.

The Lackey deal puts the Red Sox staff into the elite, with three guys of the esteemed ace-caliber. The Cameron deal is just icing on the cake, but begs the question, is that a sure sign that they are not going after Jason Bay? I don’t see how they could afford Bay, both from a money standpoint and from a playing time standpoint. With David Ortiz already entrenched in the DH spot and Kevin Youkilis and Casey Kotchman duking it out for a starting spot at first base, with the other player left to fend for some DH at-bats. Jason Varitek will force his way into the lineup as well, moving Martinez to either the DH hole, or first base, as the Red Sox would not want to be without his bat for any period of time. Basically, my point is, there is already a jumble of players that will be vying for at-bats at DH, so the current outfield, which stands at four players, would get a whole lot more crowded with Bay added to the mix.

Also, the Cameron signing brings about another issue, who’s going to play center field? Cameron is a Gold Glove, run-through-the-wall centerfielder, one of the best defenders in the game. But, he is getting up there in age and Ellsbury can really fly out there, no doubt covering more ground than his older counterpart. So, do the Red Sox just waste his speed by moving him over to left field where he has much less ground to cover, especially with the Green Monster at his back? Or do they shove Cameron in left, thus shunning one of the all-time great centerfielders in the game? Either way, it could become an issue in the clubhouse.

There is also talk that third baseman Mike Lowell could be traded soon, following the same path as the Yankees, who traditionally let go of aging veterans before they wear out their welcome. If Lowell were to leave, it would most likely move Youkilis to third base, but it would also leave a slight run-producing hole in their lineup. If Kotchman were to eat up the time at first, or if Martinez were to move permanently to first and Varitek were to catch full-time, neither option is as beneficial to the lineup as Lowell would be. If the Red Sox are serious about trying to beat out the Yankees (which they have proved they are), that lineup would not be good enough to outscore the Yanks, so it basically implies that Boston is not done in this offseason yet. Adrian Beltre still remains out on the free agent market, as does Miguel Tejada (who may move to third base now in his advancing age).

Forgotten in all of this buzz is the signing of Marco Scutaro to play shortstop, which is maybe the biggest signing of the offseason for Boston. Scutaro scored 100 runs in the Blue Jays offense last year, an offense that should prove to be far inferior to the 2010 version of the Red Sox lineup. He walked 90 times in 144 games, a far cry from the 49 walks Ellsbury drew. If Terry Francona should choose to move Ellsbury, Scutaro should provide more opportunities for the big bats to drive in runs. It could move Ellsbury to the 9th spot, leaving the Red Sox with essentially three leadoff hitters with the lineup turnaround, with Ellsbury, Scutaro and then Dustin Pedroia all squaring off before the big bats like Youkilis, Ortiz and Martinez come a-calling.

The Scutaro deal is also another example of how the Red Sox are operating like the Yankees with offseason deals. It has been almost like Yankee tradition to steal quality players from the smaller-market AL teams, and that is exactly what the Red Sox did when they persuaded Scutaro to head to Beantown rather than continue to play his home games in Canada.

To borrow a phrase from my colleague, Brett Rosin, Boston sort of appears to be signing people just so other teams can’t have them. They’ve made a flurry of moves already this offseason, and all signs indicate that they are not content yet. Yes, on at least some level, the Steinbrenners attempt to buy championships this year. But, driven by the ’09 Yankees’ Championship, the Red Sox are suddenly following suit, proving that if you can’t beat ‘em, you may as well just join ‘em.
 

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Main Entry: hyp·o·crite
Pronunciation: \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritēs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
Date: 13th century

1 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

— hypocrite adjective




Since when, jman, are funny and stupid synonyms? Frankly, I'm not amused by his idiocy; it's boring.


Actually, Merlot, he can't make one post in a row where he shows any knowledge of the game. K started this thread and specifically stated that it was for discussion and information. Unfortunately, the ignaranter can't read and polluted the thread almost immediately. This really isn't enjoyable, but, unfortunately, there probably isn't any way to make the asshole disappear.
 

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Home / Around the League / Are the Red Sox the new Yankees?
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Are the Red Sox the new Yankees?
December 18, 2009 by Tony Andracki
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With the recent signings of John Lackey and Mike Cameron, the Red Sox are looking more and more like their division rivals, the Yankees.

With their storied and wildly successful history and their willingness to just throw money at any potential free agents, the Yankees have found their way into one of two categories in baseball fans hearts—the love column, or the hate column. Naysayers think that the Yankees just buy championships, and the $423 million they just shelled out for C.C. Sabathia, A.J. Burnett and Mark Teixeira before they won the ’09 World Series didn’t do anything to help quiet those criticisms.

On the other hand, some fans love them because of their incredible and unparalleled success, as their 27 World Championships would indicate.

However, recently the Boston Red Sox haven’t been much better. The Bostonians went more than 80 years without a Championship to their name, before finding the success the sought twice in four years. The World Series wins didn’t satisfy their hunger (as nobody would expect they would), and instead left the Red Sox with an even larger appetite. Instead of sticking to the game plan that helped them garner their first Championship in ’04, Boston upper management has gone the other route, the route of the Yankees.

The Red Sox are following suit, turning their intense fan base and big-budget owner into enticing deals for potential free agents. The signings of Lackey and Cameron are just further proof that Boston has established itself as a big-budget team. Neither were absolute necessities, as the Red Sox already had five capable starters in Josh Beckett, Jon Lester, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Tim Wakefield and Clay Buchholz and three quality outfielders in Jacoby Ellsbury, J.D. Drew and Jeremy Hermida.

The Lackey deal puts the Red Sox staff into the elite, with three guys of the esteemed ace-caliber. The Cameron deal is just icing on the cake, but begs the question, is that a sure sign that they are not going after Jason Bay? I don’t see how they could afford Bay, both from a money standpoint and from a playing time standpoint. With David Ortiz already entrenched in the DH spot and Kevin Youkilis and Casey Kotchman duking it out for a starting spot at first base, with the other player left to fend for some DH at-bats. Jason Varitek will force his way into the lineup as well, moving Martinez to either the DH hole, or first base, as the Red Sox would not want to be without his bat for any period of time. Basically, my point is, there is already a jumble of players that will be vying for at-bats at DH, so the current outfield, which stands at four players, would get a whole lot more crowded with Bay added to the mix.

Also, the Cameron signing brings about another issue, who’s going to play center field? Cameron is a Gold Glove, run-through-the-wall centerfielder, one of the best defenders in the game. But, he is getting up there in age and Ellsbury can really fly out there, no doubt covering more ground than his older counterpart. So, do the Red Sox just waste his speed by moving him over to left field where he has much less ground to cover, especially with the Green Monster at his back? Or do they shove Cameron in left, thus shunning one of the all-time great centerfielders in the game? Either way, it could become an issue in the clubhouse.

There is also talk that third baseman Mike Lowell could be traded soon, following the same path as the Yankees, who traditionally let go of aging veterans before they wear out their welcome. If Lowell were to leave, it would most likely move Youkilis to third base, but it would also leave a slight run-producing hole in their lineup. If Kotchman were to eat up the time at first, or if Martinez were to move permanently to first and Varitek were to catch full-time, neither option is as beneficial to the lineup as Lowell would be. If the Red Sox are serious about trying to beat out the Yankees (which they have proved they are), that lineup would not be good enough to outscore the Yanks, so it basically implies that Boston is not done in this offseason yet. Adrian Beltre still remains out on the free agent market, as does Miguel Tejada (who may move to third base now in his advancing age).

Forgotten in all of this buzz is the signing of Marco Scutaro to play shortstop, which is maybe the biggest signing of the offseason for Boston. Scutaro scored 100 runs in the Blue Jays offense last year, an offense that should prove to be far inferior to the 2010 version of the Red Sox lineup. He walked 90 times in 144 games, a far cry from the 49 walks Ellsbury drew. If Terry Francona should choose to move Ellsbury, Scutaro should provide more opportunities for the big bats to drive in runs. It could move Ellsbury to the 9th spot, leaving the Red Sox with essentially three leadoff hitters with the lineup turnaround, with Ellsbury, Scutaro and then Dustin Pedroia all squaring off before the big bats like Youkilis, Ortiz and Martinez come a-calling.

The Scutaro deal is also another example of how the Red Sox are operating like the Yankees with offseason deals. It has been almost like Yankee tradition to steal quality players from the smaller-market AL teams, and that is exactly what the Red Sox did when they persuaded Scutaro to head to Beantown rather than continue to play his home games in Canada.

To borrow a phrase from my colleague, Brett Rosin, Boston sort of appears to be signing people just so other teams can’t have them. They’ve made a flurry of moves already this offseason, and all signs indicate that they are not content yet. Yes, on at least some level, the Steinbrenners attempt to buy championships this year. But, driven by the ’09 Yankees’ Championship, the Red Sox are suddenly following suit, proving that if you can’t beat ‘em, you may as well just join ‘em.

Great post Iggy, some dated info though (12/18/09)...since we all know Bay is going to the Mets now.

I would be very surprised to see Cameron anywhere but in LF...and with the short line and the wall an Fenway he is a huge defensive improvement over Bay.

Scutaro is the sleeper in the acquisitions by the Sox so far. Two things in the in my thoughts that stack up negatively. First he is coming off of a career year and I don't put too much stock in the numbers until he repeats. Second, he is the 8th SS since Nomar for the Nation...Sox should have kept OC.

the Phillies for sure, imagine them next season with alot more wins with halladays automatic 15-20, not to mention how valuable he could be in post season, seattle also improved as well as the yanks, not sure about the sox tho, yes they got lackey but he is ofton injury proned and his era at fenway is almost 6.00 lifetime, and cameron is 36 and well, he is no jason bay.... time will tell..

The Phillies gave up Lee to get Halliday...so assuming Lee was a solid 14-17 game winner, one could view that improvement as marginal. I am stil trying to figure out Polanco since they have Utley and Rollins...he will obviously be a solid bench player.

The Yankees gave up Matsui, Damon and Cabrera...Johnson is old, and an injury risk - call it even at best for Matsui. Cabrera or Damon by the numbers are as good as Granderson - Granderson adds speed, but also strikes out allot...again because I am in a generous mood, call it even. Vasquez had a career year in Atlanta (hello, NL team=no DH) and he has already proven he can't pitch on the big stage...no improvement. I think your pinstripe vision is clouding your judgment.

Sox picked up Lackey - proven work horse. Yes he has a recent history of injury; you can throw the career era at Fenway out the window since he was a visiting pitcher in a hostile environment...anyway you look at it he is an improvement to the starting rotation IF he stays healthy. Cameron by the numbers if you include defensive differentiation is a push for Bay...you have to remember, Buy also K'd allot

The Mariners picked up Figgins, Lee both huge improvements. They also got Milton Bradley who if he has his head out of his ass and his mom is not doing his talking can be a good DH...most improved team by far...
 
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Jman, if you "really" feel Vazquez is not a improvement over what the yanks had at #4 then i think your the one wearing blinders, seriously bro, lol.....even my friend rumples said Javier was a improvement over what the Yanks had at #4 last year, so it must be true :p , the Yanks have a better offense than they had when Javier was here the first time and you should see him win at least 14-15 games easily without injury of course, even on the Mike Francesa show on wfan , (and Mike always tells it like it is, even for a Yanks fan,) he said Vazquez with that offense behind him will win 14 easily and maybe alot more, he still has good stuff and like someone else mentioned in here , he is a strikeout pitcher thus helping out the Defense as well....

a full season with Halladay starting the season is huge for the phillies, they should get off to a great start and be in contention all year, Halladay has been one of the most consistent pitchers in the game for several seasons , even more so than a cliff lee, however lee is huge for seattle, what do you think about all this Rumples? ;)

The Yankees gave up Matsui, Damon and Cabrera...Johnson is old, and an injury risk - call it even at best for Matsui. Cabrera or Damon by the numbers are as good as Granderson - Granderson adds speed, but also strikes out allot...again because I am in a generous mood, call it even. Vasquez had a career year in Atlanta (hello, NL team=no DH) and he has already proven he can't pitch on the big stage...no improvement. I think your pinstripe vision is clouding your judgment.

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Jman, if you "really" feel Vazquez is not a improvement over what the yanks had at #4 then i think your the one wearing blinders, seriously bro, lol.....even my friend rumples said Javier was a improvement over what the Yanks had at #4 last year, so it must be true :p , the Yanks have a better offense than they had when Javier was here the first time and you should see him win at least 14-15 games easily without injury of course, even on the Mike Francesa show on wfan , (and Mike always tells it like it is, even for a Yanks fan,) he said Vazquez with that offense behind him will win 14 easily and maybe alot more, he still has good stuff and like someone else mentioned in here , he is a strikeout pitcher thus helping out the Defense as well....

a full season with Halladay starting the season is huge for the phillies, they should get off to a great start and be in contention all year, Halladay has been one of the most consistent pitchers in the game for several seasons , even more so than a cliff lee, however lee is huge for seattle, what do you think about all this Rumples? ;)


Iggy,
No blinders...I am basing my statement on Vazquez' failure on his last stint in New York coupled with his career year last year(which he will not repeat) and the fact that he is jumping back into the AL, not to mention the AL EAST!!!! His ERA will be up at least 1 run, if not more. I do not see him as a big difference maker, thats all. Based on your logic of hitting and defense behind a decent pitcher, any #4 by committee could win 14 games...

Halliday for a full season in Philly...of course that is a plus...I am simply saying he is not going to be that much better than Lee would have been for a complete season...not 20 games better...maybe 2 or 3 W's. And contrary to the Vasquez situation, Halliday's ERA will drop by 1 going to the sissy hitting NL...lol.
 
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So Ignarant's idea of intelligent discourse is cutting and pasting?

buf⋅foon  /bəˈfun/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [buh-foon] Show IPA

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2. a person given to coarse or undignified joking.
 

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The problem with the article that our buffoon friend posted is that the argument doesn't hold up. Since the start of the luxury tax paid by teams that go over a certain threshold, the Yankees have paid $174 M, the Sox $14.

There are three levels of team salary structure in MLB: the haves, the have nots, and the Yankees. The Yankees consistently spend over $200 M, the haves (Red Sox, Mets, Cubs, Tigers, Dodgers, Mets) typically spend between $110 and $140 M. The have nots spend less.

It does appear at this time that the Sox do a one year ramp up to about $156 ($136 already committed) this year, approximately 75% of the anticipated $210 ($205 already committed) the Yankees will spend. While both teams have a ton coming off the books after this season, the Sox will be able to reduce payroll considerably when Lowell, Lugo, and Varitek leave the team. (Beckett and Ortiz will need to be resigned or replaced.) While the Yankees also have a lot coming off the books, they will need to resign or replace all: Jeter, Rivera, Pettitte, Vazquez.

Figure the 2011 Sox at $140 M, the 2011 Yankees at $210M. The Sox the new Yankees? Only in the eyes of the Ignarant. Looking down the road, the Sox farm system is loaded, though it's all a couple of years away. The Yankees farm system has Jesus Montero and chaff.
 

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So Ignarant's idea of intelligent discourse is cutting and pasting?

buf⋅foon  /bəˈfun/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [buh-foon] Show IPA

–noun
1. a person who amuses others by tricks, jokes, odd gestures and postures, etc.
2. a person given to coarse or undignified joking.

about as good as a WAR stat eh? .... ;)......


Ok you two...might I suggest a jello pit filled with red and blue jello...you guys in corresponding colors in a sumo style dual. :rolleyes::D
Comon' boys, play nice and get back on track before the mods get cranky...this is a BASEBALL thread...:confused::mad:
 

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Jman, can we make it Vanilla flavored pudding instead? lol

ok for one more try (rumps) lets get back to baseball....
are the Sox stuck with injury prone and over paid mike lowell or is there value to be had by trading him, IF tradeable? http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=304182








Ok you two...might I suggest a jello pit filled with red and blue jello...you guys in corresponding colors in a sumo style dual. :rolleyes::D
Comon' boys, play nice and get back on track before the mods get cranky...this is a BASEBALL thread...:confused::mad:
 
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