The Sarah Palin thread

[Doc Holliday]

IMO, Canadians are free to comment on US politics.

Of course they are. By the way, many well-known tv anchormen & news personnalities regular seen on American television also happen to hail from Canada.

By the way, i do agree with the article posted by Dee. It's also this person's opinion that Sarah Palin is more a tv reality star than she is a politician. I give her credit: she's used her ignorance & the act she's been putting on for the past two y ears to her advantage & even though she's already a multi-millionaire, her bank account keeps climbing by the day. Kudos to Mrs. Palin & her people for their superb marketing & money-making skills. Thinking about it, her act is not that much different than what we see on 'The Hills'.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

My Dear Canadian Friends,

Let me weigh in here as you are not quite as close to the ground as I am. DO NOT TRY TO ENGAGE THESE PEOPLE. THEY ARE IDIOTS. THEY WILL REPEAT ANYTHING GLENN BECK AND BILL O'LIELLY SPEW FORTH.

Here's a little primer on spotting them: As we know and as has been demonstrated time and time again, Barack Obama, whom I supported and worked for, is a centrist Democrat. While I supported and worked for him, I've been a bit disappointed at his attempts at governance along the lines of Bill Clinton and the Democratic Leadership Council; I'd much rather he governed farther to the left, more along the ideological lines of Bernie Sanders, a self-avowed Swedish style Democratic-Socialist.

Anybody who uses the words Barack Obama and socialism in the same sentence should be ignored. He/she has his/her head thrust entirely up his/her ass. He is a professional know nothing who takes talking points from the like of Beck, Palin and the rest of the gun totin' neanderthal crowd.

That's one: socialism. You hear the word, don't waste your time.

Item two: "government takeover of health care." Anytime you hear one of these morons suggest that Obama is pushing for a "government takeover of health care," change the subject. You're talking to a moron who has long ago abandoned the very idea of trying to think for himself. How many hundreds of times does the POTUS have to remind us that what he wants to offer is an alternative CHOICE?

Got it now? Government takeover of healthcare. Socialism. Soon as you hear either from the parroting mouth of one of these bozos, go find yourself something better to do with your time.

PS - Please excuse the rant. I just hate stupidity.

 

[Merlot]

Hello all,

First, I have no idea why anyone cares what Palin is doing. Why give her any time.

Reading word for word from a teleprompter is totally different. It means that Obama can't remember anything he is expected to say, or even worse, he never has prepped himself and is reading a prepared speech, which he may have had no input into.

Daydreamer, I for one don't care if anyone reads from cards, teleprompters, or their hands. That alone cannot diminish the credibility of anyone, though why anyone would write on themselves is beyond me. By the same standard your view that reading from a prepared speech, whether written on cards or read from a teleprompter, is an indication of weakness is a mistaken and uninformed...not to mention contradictory when you excuse a person for using notes like a cheating schoolgirl then blast another person for using a respectably prepared speech.

Preparing a speech is a matter of careful forethought and professional polish. No matter how cynical anyone may want to see it a prepared speech is indicative of the desire to communicate carefully your specific point or vision. A well done extemporaneous speech may be more impressive, but working on and being prepared with a finished speech does not diminish it's validity. And, even if it is written by a professional speech writer the speaker still gives very specific parameters, reads over and makes changes to whatever he/she finds necessary.

BTW...Lincoln's "Gettysburg Address" and Martin Luther King's "I Have A Dream" were prepared written speeches, revised in process and still considered two of the all-time greatest speeches in American history. So knocking prepared speeches is uniformed.

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[Mod 11]

Enough! Daydreamer, the hostilities are over. If you don't like to read people having ideas contrary to yours, you have no rights whatsoever to tell them to stop discussing the topic but, I have the right to boot you out.

I suggest you just don't participate in such discussions and don't read threads that might "offend" you. Canadians have no vote in the USA, same as hockey fans have no say in hockey associations yet, nothing can prevent anybody from discussing about it.

As far as I know, MERB is a Canadian board hosted in Canada and owned by a Canadian. We can talk about "your government" as much as we want because Canada believes in free speech. What happen in USA affect Canada far more than the opposite.

Now, the topic of this thread has NOTHING to do with whatever American policies or the American way-of-life. Any more irrelevant posts will get deleted without further notice and vacations might get distributed.

Thanks

 

[Doc Holliday]

I agree with both Rumpleforeskiin & Mod 11.

 

[daydreamer41]

My Dear Canadian Friends,

Let me weigh in here as you are not quite as close to the ground as I am. DO NOT TRY TO ENGAGE THESE PEOPLE. THEY ARE IDIOTS. THEY WILL REPEAT ANYTHING GLENN BECK AND BILL O'LIELLY SPEW FORTH.

Here's a little primer on spotting them: As we know and as has been demonstrated time and time again, Barack Obama, whom I supported and worked for, is a centrist Democrat. While I supported and worked for him, I've been a bit disappointed at his attempts at governance along the lines of Bill Clinton and the Democratic Leadership Council; I'd much rather he governed farther to the left, more along the ideological lines of Bernie Sanders, a self-avowed Swedish style Democratic-Socialist.

Anybody who uses the words Barack Obama and socialism in the same sentence should be ignored. He/she has his/her head thrust entirely up his/her ass. He is a professional know nothing who takes talking points from the like of Beck, Palin and the rest of the gun totin' neanderthal crowd.

That's one: socialism. You hear the word, don't waste your time.

Item two: "government takeover of health care." Anytime you hear one of these morons suggest that Obama is pushing for a "government takeover of health care," change the subject. You're talking to a moron who has long ago abandoned the very idea of trying to think for himself. How many hundreds of times does the POTUS have to remind us that what he wants to offer is an alternative CHOICE?

Got it now? Government takeover of healthcare. Socialism. Soon as you hear either from the parroting mouth of one of these bozos, go find yourself something better to do with your time.

PS - Please excuse the rant. I just hate stupidity.

Obama is not a centralist Democrat. He is as socialist as you can get.

 

[voyageur11]

Obama is not a centralist Democrat. He is as socialist as you can get.

Sound like a clone of beautydigger

 

[daydreamer41]

You are correct. Any of you who are citizens of the great country of Canada may have an opinion about any politician in the United States. There is no question that you may express your opinion, and as a person who is for free speech, I support that you express your opinion. I should have edited my previous statement in that one post.

However, you must understand that in poll after poll, the people of the US have been vocally against the health legislation that the Obama administration has been proposing. There are some very troublesome details in that legislation.

Also, the decifits that the US has been accumulating over the last 3 decades which includes the Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter and Nixon Administrations are being dwarfed by the present Obama Administration thru his projected budgets and he has been in office for one year. The projected deficit is $12 Trillion and that does not cover the social payments, like Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid that have been promised but not funded.

I know by reading different articles on the internet that the Canadian government has been working to reign in the decifit, which is not the direction the US is heading in.

Sarah Palin has been talking out about the decifit. Obama has given just lip service and is doing the opposite by way of the budgets and programs that he has proposed. That's why I defend her when you compare her with Obama.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Obama is not a centralist Democrat. He is as socialist as you can get.

I am a Socialist. I support single payer health care. Barack Obama is not a supporter of single payer health care. Barack Obama is a DLC Democrat. Please come back when you have the slightest inkling of what you're talking about. And lay off the Kool Aid. God, I just hate stupidity in public places.

Also, the decifits that the US has been accumulating over the last 3 decades which includes the Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter and Nixon Administrations are being dwarfed by the present Obama Administration thru his projected budgets and he has been in office for one year. The projected deficit is $12 Trillion and that does not cover the social payments, like Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid that have been promised but not funded.

You can leave Clinton out. In fact, he eliminated the massive debt built up by Reagan and Bush 41. As for Obama, I'm sure he'd like to reduce it as well, but after Bush's huge tax breaks to the rich, his expensive war of choice, the massive rebuilding of the country he destroyed and the related unbid contracts awarded to his buddies like Halliburton, his deregulating the banking industry and allowing his banking buddies to bilk the nation to the brink of ruin, Obama has no choice but to try to save the economy through economic stimulus. But you wouldn't understand; overexposure to Limbaugh can be stultifying to an astonishing degree.

 

[daydreamer41]

I am a Socialist. I support single payer health care. Barack Obama is not a supporter of single payer health care. Barack Obama is a DLC Democrat. Please come back when you have the slightest inkling of what you're talking about. And lay off the Kool Aid. God, I just hate stupidity in public places.[/QUOTE]

You have not been following Obama very closely. He was for the single payer system when the House bill had the government run option in its version of the bill. And then he supported the Senate bill, which did not have a single payer system. And then he said the reconciliation bill may have the single payer option. He has gone back and forth. The Obama administration has not written one word in either bill. He has been trying to push whatever the Senate or the House has written. Each legislature has taken a different stance, because of the politics of the situation. The Democrats do not have a 60 member majority that would support the House bill, or that would have passed already.

Please don't call me stupid, if that is what you are doing in your last statement. I have been following the news regarding this issue. I have been listening to Obama. If you are a socialist, that is your right. The majority of the people in the US are not socialists (If I remember correctly, you are from New England somewhere). They do believe that there needs to be some kind of legislation that opens up the markets and allows more competition amongst insurance companies, etc.

There are people who fall thru the cracks. Health insurance is expensive. I pay alot. In my younger days, I have gone without during some periods of unemployment. The Republicans have proposed to have a program for the unemployed and employed without health insurance, but it has not made much progress with the Democrats. There is a different philosophy between the 2. Many states do have programs for lower income persons. NY, NJ, MA, etc. There are options. I personal think the Republicans are correct by requesting that the process be open to both to discuss but it has not been, except for that 7 hour healthcare summit in which Obama chided that Republicans rather ruthlessly and shamelessly.

I believe Canada's system, which is single payer, has a supply problem. You Canadians can correct me if I am incorrect, but I know several Canadians and they tell me that is the biggest problem with their system. I don't live in Canada, so I don't know first hand.

 

[Doc Holliday]

One question:

"What's wrong with being a socialist? Why is this so bad? Many civilized countries & allies of the States are socialist countries."

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

You have not been following Obama very closely. He was for the single payer system when the House bill had the government run option in its version of the bill.

Sorry, if you say stupid shit, I'm just gonna have to call you stupid. And only a stupid person would confuse a public option with single payer.

 

[daydreamer41]

One question:

"What's wrong with being a socialist? Why is this so bad? Many civilized countries & allies of the States are socialist countries."

You are left with higher taxes, and you do not have the same opportunity to build up Capital, the way you would under a Capitalistic society. You are dependent on the government for many things. If you go to the extreme, like the former Soviet Union, the state owns everything and you have no hope of building a business of your own. I know former USSR citizens. The long lines for food were no jokes. They were real. The motivation to provide goods and services were totally destroyed. William Bradford, the Governor of Plymouth in MA, in early 1600s chronicaled the Pilgrim experiment with socialism in his journal Of Plymouth Plantation. He found that many people did not have the motivation to work under socialism, because the fruits of their labors did not correalate to the work that they put in. The production of the whole was less.

True, there are winners and losers in all forms of economics. Not all people have the same talents. Some will prosper and some will not. But if there is a method that can be taught, like saving, hard work, there is more opportunity when you are in a Capitalistic society. It is not to say we should not help those less unfortunate. But are those less unfortunate, less able, or less willing to succeed? Feed a man, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime. If the man is disabled, blind, of such less intelligence where he needs help to survive, by all means, we need to help those people. But with the welfare experiement of the US, there were more of those who could succeed, but either did not have the motivation, ambition, the knowledge or the belief that they could succeed.

That's my answer.

 

[daydreamer41]

Sorry, if you say stupid shit, I'm just gonna have to call you stupid. And only a stupid person would confuse a public option with single payer.

Sorry, but what you said is uncalled for. Who is being hostile? Public option is a single payer, which is run by the government. That is what the House bill had, but not the Senate bill.

I have not called you stupid although I have disagreed with you and you have called me stupid twice. If I was mistaken, then you could tell me why. But all you do is say what I said is stupid and call me stupid. Isn't this against board rules?

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Sorry, but what you said is uncalled for. Who is being hostile? Public option is a single payer, which is run by the government. That is what the House bill had, but not the Senate bill.

I have not called you stupid although I have disagreed with you and you have called me stupid twice. If I was mistaken, then you could tell me why. But all you do is say what I said is stupid and call me stupid. Isn't this against board rules?

You haven't called me stupid because I haven't said stupid things. When you equate a public option with single payer, you clearly don't know what you are talking about. When you don't know what you're talking about, it's always best to shut up.

 

[Mod 8]

Hello everyone,

As this thread has gone well off topic and no longer deals with the original subject as well as turning into a flame war, I see no reason for it to remain open which will only lead to suspensions.

Thread closed.

Mod 8