The vaccine passport (QR code), a new debate.

[gallantca]

The question is... how long this nonsense will last? A year? More?

When they put that mask mandate i never taught it would go longer than a few months, maybe whole winter at worst but thats it. 1 year and a month later we still have it... wich is crazy to me. So how long this passeport thing will last? 1 year seem like probably the minimum but will it still be in action in 3 years when this virus has become part of normal life. Will we still be banned from everywhere forever? Thats the scary part in my opinion, ESPECIALLY if in 3 years there is barely any Covid and the few that there are simply are case of bad flu.

That is very simple. As long as there is a risk of overwhelming health care systems, restrictions will exist. Something has to slow it down. Masks and others are speed bumps, they slow down, they don't stop. As long as the virus is extremely transmissible and somewhat dangerous when caught, there will be restrictions.
Where I label you a little off tilt is when people say the government is doing this to show control.

That said, i read that by 2025 they want to have everybody have some kind of block chain identity where they would be scanned for many things like bank accounts etc

Identité numérique pour chaque Québécois: le plus gros chantier informatique de l’histoire | JDQ (journaldequebec.com)

So could very well be that this passeport thing is simply the first step of this. And after that they call us "conspiracy theorist" when its actual reality.

Technology that eliminates fiscal fraud, voter fraud, efficiency in the health care systems....to me is a good thing. If you think this is wha is going to track you, you may want to take a look at other mechanisms out there today. Forget your phone and cash, you may want to remove your pictures from FB and Inst, because it's well know they are feeding facial recognition systems. You may want to wear a fake beard and sunglasses as you pass the hundreds of cameras that film you each day.

 

[transatlantic]

Any word how US vaccinated can comply? Just show CDC card?

 

[gallantca]

Any word how US vaccinated can comply? Just show CDC card?

I think the press conference is tomorrow. They will probably address it, if not for US visitors but for Ontario.

On another note, BC goes passport

B.C. becomes third province to require proof of vaccination, starting Sept. 13 | Globalnews.ca

Quebec was the first province to announce plans for a vaccine certificate that would start Sept. 1 on accessing non-essential services.

globalnews.ca

 

[gaby]

QUUÉBEC---ce jour--DUBÉ.....86% 1ère dose....77% 2ème dose....1million encore éligible au vaccin....allez un petit effort .

PASSEPORT VACCINAL....les projets pilotes sont très concluants....on garde le cap pour le 1er Septembre.....91% des vaccinés ont déjà leur application ...wow ....une reconnaissance papier sera aussi acceptée pour ceux qui ne pourront pas présenter l'application.

Aucune sanction--pénalité pour les commercants jusqu'au 15 Septembre.....puis par la suite si récalcitrant il y a la Santé publique pourrait aller jusqu'à fermer le commerce.

NOTES.....actuellement seulement 12% de nos lits d'hôpitaux sont monopolisés par la COVID mais on craint une sérieuse augmentation......une centaine de lits actuellement occupés sur un total de 800......Le delta représente actuellement 60% des tests positifs.

 

[gallantca]

Any word how US vaccinated can comply? Just show CDC card?

They did the press conference. Non residents just show ID and their proof of vaccination, in your case a CDC card

 

[2fast2slow]

willl massage parlours be asked to check for vaccine passport?

 

[gaby]

Hum....my guess is YES....lol.....for many of us c'est un service essentiel.....BUT not pour le Gouvernement et la Santé publique...relollll

 

[gallantca]

willl massage parlours be asked to check for vaccine passport?

It was not on the lists presented.

The major ones are resto, bars, gyms, theatre, cinemas, some festivals, some sports

One that wasn't there was hairdressers/barbers. The full list should be on the gov site


Edit, here is the full list. Massage not required

Voici la liste complète des lieux et activités où le passeport vaccinal sera requis

Le passeport vaccinal sera exigé pour toutes les personnes de 13 ans et plus.

www.tvanouvelles.ca

 

[Like_It_Hot]

The idea behind is not controlling people. It is to ensure freedom to the vast majority of vaccinated Quebecers who are kept as hostage buy a minority anti-vaccination.
It's done via the applications to ensure that non essential activities of high risk are accessible to vaccinated (and some others) people in the maximum possible security.
The risk is impacted by the quantity of people you may interact within a single space. In a hair dresser salon, there are not a lot of people by square feet. The same applies to massotherapy or look alike...
Others measures stays on for the moment (mask and distanciation when possible). Mind you, a 100% vaccinated people environment doesn't mean a COVID proof space, as those people might still be contagious or might get the virus. But you put all the odds on your side staying relatively healthy and not requesting medical help nor dying...

As the Ontario's authorities do not really want to take the lead to enhance and promote vaccination, the private sector takes it. Ontario's chamber of commerce released a framework Tuesday for private sector businesses seeking to develop COVID-19 proof-of-vaccination protocols, a move it said aimed to provide support in the absence of government guidance. The organization – which represents more than 150 chambers of commerce and boards of trade in the province said implementing proof-of-vaccination would help businesses safely reopen and mitigate the risk of further lockdowns. It is somewhat annoying seeing the private sector in Ontario being more progressive than the conservatives in place... But it is just common sens! They live within the real life.

Ontario chamber of commerce issues guidance for businesses on proof-of-vax protocols

Ontario's chamber of commerce released a framework Tuesday for private sector businesses seeking to develop COVID-19 proof-of-vaccination protocols, a move it said aimed to provide support in the absence of government guidance. The organization – which represents more than 150 chambers of...

ca.finance.yahoo.com

 

[IamNY]

I got this part for us Americans on the Twitter:

“To enter spaces subject to the vaccine passport program, out-of-province and international visitors will be able to show proof of vaccination from their governments along with proof of address, the Health Ministry said.”

 

[gaby]

Well 2fast2slow no requirement for spas---saunas---soins personnels---massothérapie.......as Like_it_Hot mentionned......not a lot of people by square feet......lolllll

 

[Chouin95]

The idea behind is not controlling people.

l don’t know how you can say that the idea not to control people when they are actually gonna control everybody every time you enter a place.
The bottom line is that it’s probably not gonna have any positive effect on the actual pandemic, it’s 100% meant to gain more access and control in people’s life.

 

[CLOUD 500]

^^^^^
Agreed with you 100%. But what to do when the majority support these measures?

 

[Stx]

The idea is to avoid punishing the vaccinated majority because of the unvaccinated minority. Indeed, why go through another lockdown and force business owners to close because Karen and her friends refuse to get vaccinated? Let the vaccinated get on with their lives, there's no reason for them not to.

It also creates an incentive for people to get vaccinated, which hopefully will bring us closer to the end of this pandemic.

 

[Like_It_Hot]

l don’t know how you can say that the idea not to control people when they are actually gonna control everybody every time you enter a place.

It is just checking if you are vaccinated or not. The establishment will get a red or green signal. On green, they will see your name, birthday date and the vaccine used. They then check with a card identifying you with a picture ( Carte Assurance maladie, permis de conduire ou autre). If everything is OK, you get in. You can call it control, I call it managing. No datas are saved from the app. Presently you should give your name and phone number to be reached in case there is a positive case. That is over. No personal infos are kept by the establishment nor the government. It is similar to the obligation for a young guy or girl to show an id to prove is age when buying alcool. We live in society, there are rules to respect. In counterpart, the society will pay your health care. You can't have the butter and the money from the butter. One can not have it both way.

 

[gaby]

^^^^^
Agreed with you 100%. But what to do when the majority support these measures?

Good question indeed....or you go with it and doing so you will b very helpful to your community and have a normal life....OR you accept to stay home using only essential services....could b boring on a long term .

Note...if i remember well for you FDA approval was very important......done for Pfizer and Moderna will follow soon.

 

[IamNY]

Pretty good article covering the basics:

COVID-19 and Travel: What You Should Know

With more and more people traveling again, you may wonder what’s safe. It mainly depends on whether you’ve gotten the COVID-19 vaccine. Here’s what to know if you’re thinking about a trip in the U.S. or abroad.

www.webmd.com

 

[Chouin95]

It is just checking if you are vaccinated or not. The establishment will get a red or green signal. On green, they will see your name, birthday date and the vaccine used. They then check with a card identifying you with a picture ( Carte Assurance maladie, permis de conduire ou autre). If everything is OK, you get in. You can call it control, I call it managing. No datas are saved from the app. Presently you should give your name and phone number to be reached in case there is a positive case. That is over. No personal infos are kept by the establishment nor the government. It is similar to the obligation for a young guy or girl to show an id to prove is age when buying alcool. We live in society, there are rules to respect. In counterpart, the society will pay your health care. You can't have the butter and the money from the butter. One can not have it both way.

Well next time you are going for meatball, don’t forget that you might be serve by a disgusting unvaccinnated person without covid or even worst a flawless vaccinnated person with covid.
It is a fact, even vaccinnated people can catch and spread covid so what’s the purpose of the passport?
Free and fast covid testing is the way to go, that way you make sure that covid positive person (vaxx or not) are not in contact with others.

 

[gallantca]

Well next time you are going for meatball, don’t forget that you might be serve by a disgusting unvaccinnated person without covid or even worst a flawless vaccinnated person with covid.
It is a fact, even vaccinnated people can catch and spread covid so what’s the purpose of the passport?
Free and fast covid testing is the way to go, that way you make sure that covid positive person (vaxx or not) are not in contact with others.

1) It's been proven meatballs are not a vector of transmission.

2) a - if a vaccinated and unvaccinated person enter a restaurant, the vaccinated has much greater chance of carrying vs the unvaccinated.
b - If a vaccinated person and unvaccinated catch it at a restaurant the vaccinated has 1/20th the chance of the unvaccinated of having to use a hospital bed.

You need to protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated and you need to protect the healthcare system from the unvaccinated.

3) I agree testing would be preferable. In theory a person tested every X days could have an equivalent passport. However it doesn't solve 2b and the cost/scaleability of it is questionable.

 

[Halloween Mike]

Double-jabbed people carry same levels of Covid as unvaccinated (telegraph.co.uk)

By the way things are going in Israel, lots of peoples are vaccinated and yet it continue. Could be a decrease in vaccine efficiency over time, but does that mean you will have to take your "bi-annual booster shot" for the rest of your life lol.

Its always the fault of something base on the narrative of Legault. Spring break week, touristata, "edenté"(teethless), conspiracy peoples, students etc etc

I may have to go trough tougher time at first but if one day the population wake up when they realize there is still problems in 2-3 years and they are "a boute" as we say in french, ill laugh my ass off.