The vaccine passport (QR code), a new debate.

[sene5hos]

Jusqu’où ira la tolérance envers les non-vaccinés?

Les signes avant-coureurs d’une 4e vague sont assez évidents. Malgré tout, les non-vaccinés ne sentent toujours pas l’urgence de recevoir le vaccin.

www.journaldequebec.com

The time has come for the government to raise its tone even more.
I hear more and more people agreeing to the health passport and compulsory vaccination for health workers, teachers, educators, and factory workers.
Other employers would also like to be able to apply binding measures to those who refuse the vaccine.

After more than a year and a half of the pandemic, there are limits to the rights and freedoms of the recalcitrant which risk affecting the general well-being of the citizens of Quebec.
Imposing temporary and well-defined limits on our Charter would be fully reasonable and justifiable.

 

[pokerpro]

You damn right i will. I don't want the gov to track all my movements and i surely care for my freedom !!

Are you saying , Halloween Mike, that you believe that the government put a 5G microchip in the vaccine to follow everyone? You believe this????

 

[sene5hos]

Are you saying , Halloween Mike, that you believe that the government put a 5G microchip in the vaccine to follow everyone? You believe this????

Pokerpro, yes, according to these people, almost 4 billion mocrochips have already been injected

 

[gallantca]

Are you saying , Halloween Mike, that you believe that the government put a 5G microchip in the vaccine to follow everyone? You believe this????

The best way to avoid tracking, after vaccination is wear a tin foil hat. Prevents signals from leaving the body

 

[Gazoo64]

Jusqu’où ira la tolérance envers les non-vaccinés?

Les signes avant-coureurs d’une 4e vague sont assez évidents. Malgré tout, les non-vaccinés ne sentent toujours pas l’urgence de recevoir le vaccin.

www.journaldequebec.com

After more than a year and a half of the pandemic, there are limits to the rights and freedoms of the recalcitrant which risk affecting the general well-being of the citizens of Quebec.
Imposing temporary and well-defined limits on our Charter would be fully reasonable and justifiable.

I agree totally! We’re a year and a half into this pandemic and one of the reasons its dragging on is because many people choose not to get vaccinated!
There’s a limit to personal freedoms!

Can someone drive 60 km/hr in a school zone? Or drive drunk? No and no!!
Why are we required to wear seatbelts when driving!

These laws are put in place TO PROTECT US! The higher the percentage of people that get vaccinated, and if everyone would follow BASIC health guidelines, the sooner we can return to normal and everyone will get their FREEDOM back!

 

[Max15411]

Jusqu’où ira la tolérance envers les non-vaccinés?

Les signes avant-coureurs d’une 4e vague sont assez évidents. Malgré tout, les non-vaccinés ne sentent toujours pas l’urgence de recevoir le vaccin.

www.journaldequebec.com

The time has come for the government to raise its tone even more.
I hear more and more people agreeing to the health passport and compulsory vaccination for health workers, teachers, educators, and factory workers.
Other employers would also like to be able to apply binding measures to those who refuse the vaccine.

After more than a year and a half of the pandemic, there are limits to the rights and freedoms of the recalcitrant which risk affecting the general well-being of the citizens of Quebec.
Imposing temporary and well-defined limits on our Charter would be fully reasonable and justifiable.

I haven't been vaccinated and neither have my wife and children. I do not believe in any conspiracy theories like chips or 5G nonsense but there have been vaccines that have had serious side-effects even a year after vaccination.
I am not an anti-vaxxer but I do want to wait until it's been a good year since the first vaccinations were administered.

Not to mention how none of the numbers make sense. I had to go to the emergency in March 2020 and April 2021 for a non-covid issue. The government was reporting crazy numbers and both times, I spent over 24 hours there for monitoring, the emergency was not busy and there were many empty spots.
The number of cases dropped much quicker than the number of vaccinated individuals in QC. Must have been magic.

So screw the passport and screw the idea of forcing everybody to be vaccinated. It's not up to anyone else when I feel comfortable getting the vaccine. Vaccinated individuals don't need to worry about non-vaccinated individuals anyway so they can mind their own business.

 

[sene5hos]

Max, you seem to me to be a stable man, so there is no point in putting your family at risk with the delta variant which is very very contagious.
To date 4.25 million people have died.

The first vaccines appeared in November 2020, in 3 months it will be a year with almost 4 billion doses of vaccines administered across the world.

We live in society, unfortunately for you, you would have to think of the majority who want to come back as before the pandemic. I am tired of all these constraints.
I had to travel to Europe and everything was canceled.

Thank you very much for reading me.

 

[Halloween Mike]

Are you saying , Halloween Mike, that you believe that the government put a 5G microchip in the vaccine to follow everyone? You believe this????

LOL no not at all. Im refering to having to get scanned by the vaccinal passeport everytime you go somewhere.

Today i needed new shoes so got to a store and the clerk litteraly took everything.. name, phone number, postal code... just adress she didn't but man i felt uncomfortable.. I had no idea i had to give all my damn personal infos for buying shoes !!

 

[Halloween Mike]

You know you're on the wrong side of an argument when Maxime Bernier agrees with you.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/maxime-bernier-won-t-get-vaccine-1.6127821

Whats wrong with Bernier?

 

[Martin07]

Whats wrong with Bernier?

Hi Mike it is a good that you bought your shoes today. Legault will be announcing a passeport for those vacinnated and with limited freedom for those not vaccinated.

 

[sene5hos]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/covid-19-4th-wave-concerns-calls-for-vaccine-passport-1.6128147

Despite months of unabated efforts from health officials to get the unvaccinated segment of the province's population protected from COVID-19, cases are on an upswing.

On her Facebook page today, Anglade said the province needs vaccine passports to avoid another lockdown, as people are set to return to offices, and schools are scheduled to resume in a few weeks.

The Quebec government has said that starting September, it will require people to prove they are vaccinated to access non-essential services in parts of the province where COVID-19 transmission is high.

 

[gaby]

C'est la semaine prochaine que LEGAULT va annoncer----vu l'augmentation des cas et l'arrivée d'une 4 ème vague---et expliquer l'application du passeport vaccinal au Québec et ses conséquences....a bien pris le soin de dire que ceux qui sont vaccinés auront droit
à une vie ''presque'' normale.

 

[Gazoo64]

Legault announced that Quebec will introduce the vaccine passport! Great news, it’s about time!

 

[Fradi]

LOL no not at all. Im refering to having to get scanned by the vaccinal passeport everytime you go somewhere.

Today i needed new shoes so got to a store and the clerk litteraly took everything.. name, phone number, postal code... just adress she didn't but man i felt uncomfortable.. I had no idea i had to give all my damn personal infos for buying shoes !!

I don’t believe any of us are that import that the government needs to spy on us.
Apart from that you are kidding yourself if you think they already don’t know everything they need to know about you.
Most of us pay taxes, federal, provincial, school, water etc.. you fill out a census. You use a credit card, you do banking
You have a passport every time you cross the border they record it.
I am not even going to mention all the Twitter, facebook accounts and other accounts.
They probably know your Merb handle to and how many actual orgasm an SP has as opposed to how many reported in reviews

 

[djlucky7]

Not to mention how none of the numbers make sense. I had to go to the emergency in March 2020 and April 2021 for a non-covid issue. The government was reporting crazy numbers and both times, I spent over 24 hours there for monitoring, the emergency was not busy and there were many empty spots.
The number of cases dropped much quicker than the number of vaccinated individuals in QC. Must have been magic.

Doc here that only worked with out-patients pre-pandemic but turned out to work CRAZY hours since then. I'll get to this later.

I have no idea where you went - i'm guessing somewhere in a suburb - but most ICUs we're completely full and some, if not all, had to be redesigned to ensure that patients who came in with other illnesses wouldnt end-up with covid infections as a result of a hospital visit. Some hospitals are different from others. I work at the glen and at the CDLS in Laval and both were PACKED. Let's just take into consideration that the waiting room at the ER isnt representative of what's happening inside the ward. During its peak, lots of folks with non-urgent conditions stopped going to the ER in order to avoid contagion hence the low attendance in the waiting room. However, we had a bunch of elders that were fighting for their lives for more than 2-3-4-5-6-7 weeks inside, filling up the wards like never before.

I now live with a 8-inch scar on my chest caused by the heart attack I had in the hospital due the high level of stress and the crazy amounts of hours pulled out during this period. I'm a 34 year old dude that runs 10 marathons a year and eats quite well. So I get it, you don't want the vaccine for personal reasons , but with all do respect, do not ever say that the government was reporting crazy numbers when the wards where empty. This is a fallacy and a lack of respect to all the medical staff that put their lives in jeopardy to save lives - lives of people which at this moment are mostly from the ones that refused to get vaccinated.

Edit: People that are scared of long-term side effects of covid vaccines should also be scarred of long term covid infections complications. Lung damage is far worst. Pulmonary fibrosis could be something these people might have to deal with.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Doc here that only worked with out-patients pre-pandemic but turned out to work CRAZY hours since then. I'll get to this later.

I have no idea where you went - i'm guessing somewhere in a suburb - but most ICUs we're completely full and some, if not all, had to be redesigned to ensure that patients who came in with other illnesses wouldnt end-up with covid infections as a result of a hospital visit. Some hospitals are different from others. I work at the glen and at the CDLS in Laval and both were PACKED. Let's just take into consideration that the waiting room at the ER isnt representative of what's happening inside the ward. During its peak, lots of folks with non-urgent conditions stopped going to the ER in order to avoid contagion hence the low attendance in the waiting room. However, we had a bunch of elders that were fighting for their lives for more than 2-3-4-5-6-7 weeks inside, filling up the wards like never before.

I now live with a 8-inch scar on my chest caused by the heart attack I had in the hospital due the high level of stress and the crazy amounts of hours pulled out during this period. I'm a 34 year old dude that runs 10 marathons a year and eats quite well. So I get it, you don't want the vaccine for personal reasons , but with all do respect, do not ever say that the government was reporting crazy numbers when the wards where empty. This is a fallacy and a lack of respect to all the medical staff that put their lives in jeopardy to save lives - lives of people which at this moment are mostly from the ones that refused to get vaccinated.

Edit: People that are scared of long-term side effects of covid vaccines should also be scarred of long term covid infections complications. Lung damage is far worst. Pulmonary fibrosis could be something these people might have to deal with.

The hospitals has been over crowded for years with patients in the hallways and nurses and doctors over worked and underpaid given the amount of stress and work they have. Nothing new here. Many like me cannot find a family doctor. I saw many who were at the emergency because they had no family doctor. With covid, clinics are using this as an excuse to refuse new patients. You got to put blame where it belongs and that is on the government. The politicians are all at fault. Example Fidel Trudope rather send money overseas and import refugees (pay them a full funded hotel and monthly paychecks which they get double the amount compared to Canadians) then to fund healthcare. Lego the dictator is more interested to spend money to enforce French (I just do not think this is the time to be bringing up the language war). During the time when the PLQ was in power that POS Gaetan Barrette kept on cutting and cutting funding to healthcare. So if we look at this globally citizens are paying for the fuck ups of the politicians. None of the politicians have lost a cent from their overpaid salaries and none of them have been held accountable for anything. So they lock people down for mistakes made by politicians. Lockdowns were always about keeping the hospitals from being too overcrowded to the point doctors would have to choose who to treat.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Really good points, djlucky7.

Many people who argue for freedom won’t grant it to everyone.

When someone says that everyone is entitled to unlimited free medical care, they take the freedom of a quality life (and in fact increase the risk of death) to medical workers.

A true proponent of freedom would allow hospitals to simply limit admissions, or get significant additional payment upfront, from unvaccinated adults with Covid.

The vaccination rates would go way up, real quick.

When I have made that argument, others mention smoking and obesity. In fact, during the healthcare debates of old, a great many Americans argued for higher healthcare premiums in those situations. Other insurance markets work that way. If you smoke, you pay more for life insurance, if you get a lot of speeding tickets, you pay more for auto insurance.

With health care, no one will let economics work. The government is going to possibly make everyone carry around a card, and say, no movie for you if you don’t have the card. But It will still completely subsidize health care costs of the unvaccinated if they get Covid. Makes no sense.

I am still for freedom however the ones that choose to not vaccinate if they do catch covid then their priority at triage should drop down to be treated. But do they do this to smokers or drug users? Smokers and drug users all know the risk of using those chemicals yet they keep on doing it. Are taxpayers to fund all those sick smokers who got heart problems or cancer due to their nasty habit? I am certain the same logic might work if vaccination rates go up maybe less people would choose to keep smoking. I do agree with you for higher insurance premiums. [...]

 

[gallantca]

With health care, no one will let economics work. The government is going to possibly make everyone carry around a card, and say, no movie for you if you don’t have the card. But It will still completely subsidize health care costs of the unvaccinated if they get Covid. Makes no sense.

Is there a country that has been successful at this ?

 

[just some guy]

Wow you guys brainswashing levels are insane LOL

Read what i said above... VACCINES DO NOT STOP SPREADS. They only dismish the symptoms of peoples who contract it if they are at risk...

Its purely a personal choice of buying an insurance !! Litteraly. I mean you can pay an insurance for your stuff all your life yet never get robbed or victim to fire. And you can not pay it and it happen to you BUT instead of paying it you could had put that money aside in case and use it.

Covid vaccines are a gamble... at life. I gamble on me.. on my immunity system.

Vaccines are for the 55+ years old who are really at risk of covid. Not us with the 0.02% or less chances of death

"Vaccines are for the 55+ years old who are really at risk of covid. Not us with the 0.02% or less chances of death"
But you have this article, https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/09/why-covid-19-more-deadly-people-obesity-even-if-theyre-young

 

[just some guy]

Are you saying , Halloween Mike, that you believe that the government put a 5G microchip in the vaccine to follow everyone? You believe this????

I believe he is talking about governments following your movements through the use of a passport.