"Vaccines are for the 55+ years old who are really at risk of covid. Not us with the 0.02% or less chances of death"
But you have this article, https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/09/why-covid-19-more-deadly-people-obesity-even-if-theyre-young
The vaccine passport (QR code), a new debate.
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But you have this article, https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/09/why-covid-19-more-deadly-people-obesity-even-if-theyre-young
I believe he is talking about governments following your movements through the use of a passport.
NYC new vaccine passport rules:
nypost.com
NYC mandates proof of vaccination for many indoor settings
New York City will soon mandate proof of vaccination to enter indoor businesses — including restaurants, entertainment venues and gyms.
nypost.com
LOL !! I doubt it. Sure they know some stuff but everytime i decide to pay cash somewhere, nobody has to know i was there. Imagine if electronic payments become the only way like in the movies, this would make seeing escorts a lot harder no? lol.
Well i looked up the QR code thingy and saw someone mention you can simply make a photocopy of it and it would work. I don't think the small businesses and restaurants will have airport style terminals with links to database and such. Pretty sure this will be easily faked.
Good thing i ain't obese anymore. I may not be slimjim either sure, but im just what you could call "chubby" now. And i want to loose more pounds too.
Its dragging because the governement made it drag to protect their fragile health system. Vaccines do not stop transmission anyway, so this argument has no weight. You think the virus will magically go away? It won't. It will be like the flew, there will be cases every year, some deaths, we need to learn to accept that and live with it !! There is a difference between driving a certain speed or putting a seat belt , and injecting ourself with an experimental product for life !! Vaccine is personal and thats it !!
I have a friend who is like you, and for that reason he decided to get the vaccine.
Considering his weight, he didn't want to go out. Now that he has received the 2 doses he feels relieved, he goes out but will continue to wear his mask.
I am proud of my friend, he thinks of others instead of only thinking about his personal freedom.
You would do yourself a big favor in looking into what mRNA are, when they were developed, how long they have been used and the potential side effects.
You may realize they aren't as "experimental" as you think.
You may save yourself a lot of frustration because like it or not, your life is going to be limited by not having it. And your decision is being made with innaccurate data.
No skin off my back. I just find it sad. We've lost a lot in the last 18months, why continue being robbed for no reason ? Life is too short.
Choose either the vaccination passport or confinement.
The answer is easy.
The answer is easy.
A major part won't affect me, i don't travel, i couldn't less to go in a restaurant, i mean i did it ocasionally but i can live without it, as for bars yeah i enjoyed them a few times a year normally but i guess ill be ok without them too. Anyway in the current way its operated i was not interested to go. Cinema will bother me but maybe ill be able to cheat the system. I was reading yesterday that QR codes could be copied anyway... There is convention and music shows ill miss but considering all restrictions i am not interested to watch a music show with a mask and have to sit down all the time. And i doubt the conventions like comiccon will be back to normalité til a LOOONG while. (pictures with celebs etc)
I doubt this thing will be implemented forever, that would be fucked up.
I keep seeing the opposite, peoples saying variants comes from countries who did early testing and that vaccination cause the variants... As for the health system, most peoples of my age don't get much symptoms or require hospitalization. This ain't a valid thing. I would like the end of using the term "relunctant" or "recalcitrant". Its not that, its simply making the choice of not wanting it. Since the beginning deregatory terms have been used on peoples with a different mindset. Covidiot, touristata, edenté, all of this to dismish us and our opinion.
If he lived in fear its not my issue. I don't. Basically he chose to take the vaccine because he feared of going out and catching it but he did it for others? LOL wich version is it?
Bombshell: Nobel Prize Winner Reveals - Covid Vaccine is 'Creating Variants' - RAIR (rairfoundation.com)
There is some infos like that, i can't say if they are true or false, but i saw before that everybody who goes against the "narrative" since the start have been shamed and they tried to make them look bad. Some doctors have said in private things that they refuse to say loud in fear.
Some variants could happen naturally but some countries that had clinical test for vaccines had variants coming from there. Like i said before, can't say if all of this is true or not, but the point is ultimately FORCING the vaccine ain't right. If peoples want to take it, great, do it, but if they don't, their decisions should be respected.
Obviously i am aware of this. But i believe in my chances. While we don't know any long term effects the vaccine could have.
And yes my reasons are simple
1) Like i said above i believe my chances against Covid IF (big IF) i end up getting it (cause i still have not, that im aware of, in a year and a half)
2) We don't know long term effects of the vaccines, plus that sure small but there chance of having very serious effects immediately
3) Im sick and tired of this clown show thats been Covid and all that it brough on us. I refuse to partake in this anymore that i need to. I was alright with the measures the first month in front of the unknown, but the governement has been going way too far since with absolutely ridiculous stuff like curfew, keeping mask everywhere for that long (over a freaking year, even other provinces dropped them by now) and not even allowing us to see ONE freaking person in OUR OWN HOME for a very long time. Closing restaurants and cinemas all the time altough there was no evidence they were riskier place.
I will never forgive them personally and i lost total faith in this governement !
The more I read from some, the more I hope the Chinese swab testing will be the alternative to the passport.
Yes some clown show that has so far killed reportedly close to 5 million people, probably a lot more as some countries way under reported the deaths. How many that managed to survive will have lasting affects for years.
This is not a video game, all these people had loved ones who cared, I am sure they are not laughing, and the ones getting infected to day and tomorrow deserve better. WTF is so scary about getting two doses of vaccine that now has a history of almost a year with little side effects when compared to the virus. I would get it simply to make sure I don’t pass it on to someone else or at least have a much better chance of not spreading it.
Bizarre how peolple are so concerned about hypothetical "so called" potential unknown bad effect of a vaccine on a long term, when after 1 billions shots done world wide and some more than a year ago fall-out are very very rare. On the other side, the same people continue to drink alcool, some still smoke, those two being known to increase significantly their probability to get a cancer at early age. They also accept and sometime ask for drugs prescription without even reading the disclaimers about real known side affect that are well documented. All this while COVID vaccines are known to save multiple lives. If anyone could find a logical reasoning behind those bizarre thoughts, please share! Of course, I will not comment on your third reason because it is just an opinion and I prefer commenting on facts. I will simply question your questioning pretending a full crowded cinema is not a riskier event while being in high spike of the cases of an air transmitted disease as COVID.
There is no logical reason to not take the vaccine. Those who do not are either misinformed, selfish, or do not trust the goverment. The science is clear. The government needs to do a better job of convincing people to get vaccinated (without making it mandatory), and the best way to do that is via education and incentives e.g. the lottery and now the paasport.
With the emergence of Delta, vaccine coverage needs to be as close to 100% as possible in order for us fo return to a somewhat normal life. Thus, the passport is necessary as the only alternative is to do rolling lockdowns indefinitely, and I don't think anyone wants that.
With the emergence of Delta, vaccine coverage needs to be as close to 100% as possible in order for us fo return to a somewhat normal life. Thus, the passport is necessary as the only alternative is to do rolling lockdowns indefinitely, and I don't think anyone wants that.
Please don't take this as an attack on your comment, I am sincerely interested. Do you have a link to read more on this ?
If you are truly interested in learning about the situation than I am happy to help. As a doctor, I feel that it is our responsibility to help raise awareness about not only covid, but all health issues.
First off, the vaccines you're talking about are mRNA vaccines. It is a type of vaccine technology that has been worked on for the past 5ish years, and is one of the reasons why the covid mRNA vaccines were developped so quickly. mRNA is what all cells read to produce peoteins. The vaccines don't contain any active proteins, so I am not sure where you got "elevated proteins" from. Also, epidemiologists are essentially medical statisticians, so again not sure why you would use them as a reference for the potential effects of the vaccines (not that they don't know how the vaccines work on a physiological level, it's just not their core expertise). I would suggest looking into pharmacologists, microbiologists, virologists, immunologists, etc if you want an ultimate authority.
When you get a pfizer or moderna vaccine dose, it injects mRNA into your muscle, and your cells pick it up and read it, producing the covid spike protein. Because it exclusively produces the spike protein in a very specific way, the mRNA vaccines offer superior protection compared to other vaccine types and also natural immunity from a previous infection. This includes all current variants, as any form of covid relies on its spike protein to infect human cells, and the mRNA vaccines target just that. Astrazeneca instead uses an inactivated virus to get the genes to make the covid spike protein into your cells, and that is less effective compared to simply injecting the mRNA.
The side effects of the vaccines are pretty well known at this point, after massive clinical trials, real world data from Israel and the UK, and just the fact that over a billion doses have been administered. Any other medications that get brought to market (e.g. new heart medications, cancer treatments, etc) do not have anywhere close to this much data supporting their safety and efficacy, which is why healthcare professionals and scientists are so confident in the safety and efficacy of the vaccines.
Three things to know about the long-term side effects of COVID vaccines
Many Americans say they want to “make sure the shot is safe” before getting vaccinated. That data is already in, and it is overwhelming.
www.uab.edu
As for Delta, it has been pretty definitively shown that it is extremely contagious (over twice as much as the original Wuhan strain) and also more virulent than other variants (with a study showing that delta leads to over 1200x the viral load in the nose and mouth of people who get infected compared to other variants).
How Dangerous Is the Delta Variant (B.1.617.2)? | ASM.org
Delta has quickly become the dominant SARS-CoV-2 variant in over a dozen countries around the world. How contagious and deadly is this variant? Will vaccines remain protective against Delta?
5 Things To Know About the Delta Variant
Delta was a highly contagious SARS-CoV-2 virus strain that was first identified in India, and also circulated in the United States and other countries. The vaccines have proven to be highly effective against Delta, but anyone who is unvaccinated is at risk for infection by the variant.
www.yalemedicine.org
Covid Updates: New C.D.C. Mask Guidelines Rest on Data Showing the Vaccinated May Transmit Virus
New research shows how fully immunized people can carry large loads of the Delta variant. The Biden administration wants states and cities to pay people $100 to get vaccinated.
Here are different medical sources going more into details about Delta. Are you going to say that the entire medical and scientific community is full of shit? If yes, please provide references supporting yoir claims, I would love to read them.
If you can only read one, I would suggest reading the NYT one as it discusses the most recent CDC findings related to Delta. Namely, that although vaccinated people are much less likely to get infected and severely ill, if they do get a "breakthrough infection", then they're as contagious as someone who is unvaccinated. It is the reason why the CDC is reversing course and suggesting that masking be done when indoors. Indeed, there are too many unvaccinated people in the US who can get infected by those who are vaccinated. The country would need a higher than previously thought vaccination rate to allow for the complete eliminaton of masking.
I would suggest using these type of sources, as they help better understand the situation without sensationalizing everything.
If you have any questions let me know.
Some countries like India etc have extremely crowded population so its normal it killed a lot of peoples, especially since lots of them are poor and could maybe not access proper care. Its also very religious so these events could spread. But got to remember a lot of numbers in Canada and US etc have been inflated. Cause of death being Covid for a 92 years old elder who had cancer... give me a break. They even said it on TV, if there was an epidemiologic link, they would put Covid as cause of death without even testing/making sure.
My point is yeah it killed peoples, yes its a virus, im not denying any of it. But it shouldn't had created the sh!t show it did. Its one thing to put conventions, festivals, music shows or any big events on hole, than closing everything and acting like its a virus with a 25% death rate instead of a 0.0something.
99% of the time i got to cinemas, it was not even at 10% capacity. Often there is like 5 peoples in the room with me... sometimes im litteraly alone. They could always had reduced capacity of room. While cinema remained close, shopping centers etc were open. Add that a lot of peoples got the covid anxiety trough fear mongering media, im sure the cinemas wouldn't had been an issue at all. I can maybe understand gyms as there is a lot of sharing the machines etc and bars as its a whole different ambiance, but restaurants and cinemas, after having invested in glasses etc
HM.
Nope you think it was to any governments advantage to inflate covid deaths you are dreaming.
Yes there were some that died from cancer, heart attack whatever.
This cost Trump and many other leaders of the world their career, all of them wanted to have a superb record for saving their citizens from covid, there weren’t and still aren’t any medals being handed out to politicIan’s where covid is killing people.
5 million people and more to come everyday to you is a shit show lol. Just a minor issue and annoying as f…because you have to wear a mask, how inconvenient. Now being on a respirator is inconvenient not to mention painful.
Guess you can’t tell the difference between video game deaths and real life. These people don’t get up for the next game.
Another thing that you keep repeating that is really annoying, a 92 year olds life is just as valuable to their loved ones as a 22 year old.
Perhaps we should have put all the old folks on the unused cruise ships and floated them out to sea and forgotten about them.
Nope you think it was to any governments advantage to inflate covid deaths you are dreaming.
Yes there were some that died from cancer, heart attack whatever.
This cost Trump and many other leaders of the world their career, all of them wanted to have a superb record for saving their citizens from covid, there weren’t and still aren’t any medals being handed out to politicIan’s where covid is killing people.
5 million people and more to come everyday to you is a shit show lol. Just a minor issue and annoying as f…because you have to wear a mask, how inconvenient. Now being on a respirator is inconvenient not to mention painful.
Guess you can’t tell the difference between video game deaths and real life. These people don’t get up for the next game.
Another thing that you keep repeating that is really annoying, a 92 year olds life is just as valuable to their loved ones as a 22 year old.
Perhaps we should have put all the old folks on the unused cruise ships and floated them out to sea and forgotten about them.
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