Every time he comes on here, he lasts 90 seconds tops. Nothing is stopping MERC from doing the same.
Threats, insults and intimidation directed at MERB from MERC. How do we stop it?
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Let's remember that his moderation staff is not as dedicated as ours. Also, when I was a moderator Tom would parcel out rights to his moderators according to their levels. When I first became a moderator, my access was very limited. He gradually gave me more rights while seeming to retain a great deal of rights strictly unto himself. As a delagator, his skills were somewhat limited. Based upon my previous posts, you can imagine that Tom's response time and willingness to "hunt" Tony would be greatly limited. Besides Tony's posts used to bring in the hits and views on the board. Tony's act is now getting somewhat stale. Eventually Ziggy's will as well. Prior to this thread, I might have visited every 3 or 4th day. The content had become so limited and the posts so few, it really didn't merit further review.
Posting way above my daily quota
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I will simply edit my post here, as it is my strong belief that a high post count dilutes credibility...
Whenever Tony gets on MERB, on chat, whatever, I don't need ANY technical savvy to detect him, NONE. He wants to be found, that is one, and two, he can't help being himself. The name of the handles and the first post are usually more than enough.
Anyway, why are you making lame excuses for Tom not to keep his house in order? At first you said Tom thought it was technically impossible to him out, then you said he was making it impossible for his mods to keep him out. Which is it?
I am reading: Tom says it's technically impossible to keep him out, because he doesn't want to keep him out.
His mods seemed to not have a problem shutting me down repeatedly over the last few weeks
.I will simply edit my post here, as it is my strong belief that a high post count dilutes credibility...
Whenever Tony gets on MERB, on chat, whatever, I don't need ANY technical savvy to detect him, NONE. He wants to be found, that is one, and two, he can't help being himself. The name of the handles and the first post are usually more than enough.
Anyway, why are you making lame excuses for Tom not to keep his house in order? At first you said Tom thought it was technically impossible to him out, then you said he was making it impossible for his mods to keep him out. Which is it?
I am reading: Tom says it's technically impossible to keep him out, because he doesn't want to keep him out.
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His mods seemed to not have a problem shutting me down repeatedly over the last few weeks
Good, then you're posting from multiple internet cafe's and wireless access points using REALLY annonymous proxies that don't appear on their excluded IPs and from new MAC Addresses on freshly loaded machines? Techman, did I leave anything out?? I'm sure I did, as my technical capabilites are quite limited. I'm sure that's a very light sampling of what Tony can manage.
Hello,
As far asTony being able to log in and make the occasional post is concerned, anyone can create a new handle and log in with it. It does not take a computer genius to create a handle and Tony is no threat to the security of MERB or any other board. The idea is to find them as soon as possible and remove the posts and ban the user. In fact, most of Tony's handles are discovered and banned before he has the time to make any posts at all. Anonymous proxies are banned from use on MERB and are grounds for a permanent and instant ban. We also have other methods of detection which are not part of vBulletin which I will not go into here.
For Maria, a review board like this exists because of the money advertisers pay for the privilige to advertise there. Here on MERB we try to provide a harmonious and respectful atmosphere for all members to have an enjoyable experience when they spend time here on MERB. People come here and find many interesting discussions to take part in, a respectful atmosphere, and most importantly - reviews. They will not find racist posts or attacks directed at other boards. SPs who wish to participate in other discussions will not be attacked here, and flame posts are kept to a minimum. Advertisers can contribute to this by making their views known when a board begins to run wild such as merc has. They can tell the owner of the board to clean things up or they will spend their money elsewhere. As long as they continue to advertise there, they are saying that they condone the posts and atmosphere of the board. That does not say much for their values.
Here is an example for you: the Linen Chest might be able to great business selling white sheets if they were to advertise in the Ku Klux Klan weekly but I do not think it would be the best business move for them to do so. Sooner or later, the business they lose due to their new campaign would erase any increase in business they gained in the short term. Of course, they would have regular clients who would continue to shop there unknowing of their new advertising strategy but once revealed, some of their regulars would also leave to spend their money elsewhere.
We moderate MERB to the best of our ability and try to create a good atmosphere for all members and advertisers alike. I would like to believe that we are succeeding in this goal and the number of posts and visits we receive every day seems to back me up. I would also like to add that all MERB moderators have complete control of the day to day operations of the board. The only functions we do not have access to are the admin functions required to change user levels, from member to advertiser for example, to control member accounts when it comes to creation and deletion, and to create new Forums on the board. Such things are limited to the board administrators only.
If moderators do not have the required control of the board they are moderating, you may as well not have any moderators at all.
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As far asTony being able to log in and make the occasional post is concerned, anyone can create a new handle and log in with it. It does not take a computer genius to create a handle and Tony is no threat to the security of MERB or any other board. The idea is to find them as soon as possible and remove the posts and ban the user. In fact, most of Tony's handles are discovered and banned before he has the time to make any posts at all. Anonymous proxies are banned from use on MERB and are grounds for a permanent and instant ban. We also have other methods of detection which are not part of vBulletin which I will not go into here.
For Maria, a review board like this exists because of the money advertisers pay for the privilige to advertise there. Here on MERB we try to provide a harmonious and respectful atmosphere for all members to have an enjoyable experience when they spend time here on MERB. People come here and find many interesting discussions to take part in, a respectful atmosphere, and most importantly - reviews. They will not find racist posts or attacks directed at other boards. SPs who wish to participate in other discussions will not be attacked here, and flame posts are kept to a minimum. Advertisers can contribute to this by making their views known when a board begins to run wild such as merc has. They can tell the owner of the board to clean things up or they will spend their money elsewhere. As long as they continue to advertise there, they are saying that they condone the posts and atmosphere of the board. That does not say much for their values.
Here is an example for you: the Linen Chest might be able to great business selling white sheets if they were to advertise in the Ku Klux Klan weekly but I do not think it would be the best business move for them to do so. Sooner or later, the business they lose due to their new campaign would erase any increase in business they gained in the short term. Of course, they would have regular clients who would continue to shop there unknowing of their new advertising strategy but once revealed, some of their regulars would also leave to spend their money elsewhere.
We moderate MERB to the best of our ability and try to create a good atmosphere for all members and advertisers alike. I would like to believe that we are succeeding in this goal and the number of posts and visits we receive every day seems to back me up. I would also like to add that all MERB moderators have complete control of the day to day operations of the board. The only functions we do not have access to are the admin functions required to change user levels, from member to advertiser for example, to control member accounts when it comes to creation and deletion, and to create new Forums on the board. Such things are limited to the board administrators only.
If moderators do not have the required control of the board they are moderating, you may as well not have any moderators at all.
Mod 8
On the subject of rape, the closest thing to rape in this business, beyond forcing a girl to perform services that she doesn't advertise and doesn't want to perform, is showing up for a date, a multi-hour duo, without the funds to pay for it and asking the girls to "trust" him for it. One of Ziggy's finer moments.
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Thanks, Tom. This is the best thing you've said yet and I agree with you utterly. If you truly believe this, you can start by:Tom said:
1. Deleting the "Shill Board" thread. It has nothing to do with your business whatsoever. You can also adopt a stance similar to merb's. Forbid all mention of merb in the future. If you look over here, and I know you do, you will notice that other than this thread, there is no mention of merc anywhere. We mind our own business. You can try doing the same.
2. Get rid of all the personal attacks, threats, and slanders that are the life-blood of merc. They are not your business. The people regularly attacked on your board are not the business of Tony, Ollie, Ziggy, Big Boy Eddie, Bensonobalia or any of the other resident psychotics who live on your board and whose main focus in life is attacking the hobbyists here.
Do that and we'll get back to doing what we do best, minding our own business.
The medium IS the message
On your board, there are inferences I am a "BBFS guy", an "ostie d'écoeurant" and that rumples is a "RAPIST". You yourself may not be calling anyone names or engaging in offensive behaviour, but it is your site that allows their propagation.Tom@MERC said:
I think right now you are managing the board only to the loonie's satisfaction, IMHO. MERB has a much larger posting volume and manages to keep hate, lies and misogyny at bay much better than you seem to be.Tom@MERC said:
You are wrong here, I am neither banned nor marginal and neither are many of the people who feel the same way.Tom@MERC said:
Only??? Clients??? The money starts and stops with us... As in any sane businees, ignore and scorn your clients and see how long you last.Tom@MERC said:
It becomes my business when I am being called bad things I am NOT.Tom@MERC said:
Sapman,
With all due respect to you personally, while this thread is great for venting and settling a few long deferred matters, again many are failing to see Tom's goal in maintaining MERC. It can best be explained as a vertical use of a website vs. MERB's more horizontal use. People think a boycott can work when the mere discussion and this thread does nothing but assist his uses. I'm sure many will not agree with me, but then what else is new?
Holding this thread open is not the answer. Again, my personal opinion is most of these matters can be traced to the GTs and the more familiar gossip that Celine brought forth during her more high profile days. In the days of Canbest, this type of gossip was mostly between agency owners. Celine, who promoted GT's with a fervor, was able to actually "persuade" (yes, we'll use that EUPHEMISM) many dollars out of unsuspecting sorts (and girleymen) using this "tool" to assist her. She personally tried to get $25K "investment" out of me and failed. Interestingly enough this was the day after my famous "Poutine Appointment" when she was driving me to the airport. Shortly thereafter all kinds of additional gossip started going around about me.
And yes, I have more realities to tell....
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the other day, I thought you were edorsing Roland's "idea" to keep both cross-board flaming threads open forever (head scratch smilie, please)... I NOW agree with you, this thread needs to go. The way to close this thread is for Tom to clean up MERC.
Oh and I don't care about his business model. It's about insults, misogyny, threats, and lies.
This is why we have "discussions". They are supposed to be the exchange of ideas for enlightenment. Always open to changing my opinion on most subjects. It's often that I'll call someone to "bounce a thought" off of them. Just verbalizing an idea can clarify it for you. Reconcile my capitalist bent with my fervent environmentalism**. Who would have known?
**tip, it all started with those fucking ducks out by my lake. Where's my damn 9mm.....LOL
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Tom Shows Why HE Is The Problem.
Hello all,
For any of you who ever had any doubts about why Tom is THE PROBLEM these quotes display precisely why.
No he controls himself under the handle "Tom", but under his other known handles in the quotes he slings bile and venom at Merb like it's his passion, while shilling for his own board regularly with equal zeal. Apart from his own gross name-calling and accusations his mimics Tony, Ollie, Ziggy, Big Boy Eddie, Bensonobalia follow Tom's lead and encouragement with no regard for the magnitude of their slanders.
Can anyone deny blueland has never minded it's own business. It has been the passion of Tom's bullying minions to attack Merb with malicious intent at will and just to boost post numbers.
This just doesn't make any sense. Tom says he has banned several former members yet he says he can't control the feuds. Obviously he has gotten rid of those he doesn't want there, so he has controlled the tone of his board by choosing who stays and who goes. And those TOM CHOSE to stay are the ones making "the personal attacks, threats, and slanders" at Merb even though he states that "people need to mind their own business". It's grand hypocrisy at it's most devious.
In short, Tom just doesn't care if his actions match his pledges. That makes him stink of deception more than his minions who at least are very direct about their intent...of course as directed by TOM.
It's that simple. Why does Tom and his handles work so hard to deflect criticism when all he needs to do is to direct his mods to ban cross-board references or ban the abusers the same as he has already banned all of those who tried to use blueland so-called "Freedom of Speech" to give an opposition opinion against all of his personally chosen trouble-makers.
Ridiculous Tom,
Merlot
Hello all,
For any of you who ever had any doubts about why Tom is THE PROBLEM these quotes display precisely why.
No he controls himself under the handle "Tom", but under his other known handles in the quotes he slings bile and venom at Merb like it's his passion, while shilling for his own board regularly with equal zeal. Apart from his own gross name-calling and accusations his mimics Tony, Ollie, Ziggy, Big Boy Eddie, Bensonobalia follow Tom's lead and encouragement with no regard for the magnitude of their slanders.
Can anyone deny blueland has never minded it's own business. It has been the passion of Tom's bullying minions to attack Merb with malicious intent at will and just to boost post numbers.
This just doesn't make any sense. Tom says he has banned several former members yet he says he can't control the feuds. Obviously he has gotten rid of those he doesn't want there, so he has controlled the tone of his board by choosing who stays and who goes. And those TOM CHOSE to stay are the ones making "the personal attacks, threats, and slanders" at Merb even though he states that "people need to mind their own business". It's grand hypocrisy at it's most devious.
In short, Tom just doesn't care if his actions match his pledges. That makes him stink of deception more than his minions who at least are very direct about their intent...of course as directed by TOM.
It's that simple. Why does Tom and his handles work so hard to deflect criticism when all he needs to do is to direct his mods to ban cross-board references or ban the abusers the same as he has already banned all of those who tried to use blueland so-called "Freedom of Speech" to give an opposition opinion against all of his personally chosen trouble-makers.
Ridiculous Tom,
Merlot
CS, Celine never set up any GTs. She set up dinners, some of which were held before a GT but never had anything to so with the GTs themselves. You've never been to a GT so you really have no idea what they're about. They're just like a gathering of friends who want to talk about common interests and have a few drinks and some fun. Most of the GTs I've been to, and there's been quite a few, no one even discusses the boards in any detail. All we want to do is have a bit of fun and meet some new people we haven't met face to face before. And of course to meet the lovely ladies who decide to grace us with their company. The GTs have never had anything to do with the board fights because very few of the main people involved have had the guts to show up. In fact, since things have gotten really bad between the boards, there has only been two GTs in Montreal, neither of them was attended by anyone from merc.
Who the hell is trying to change the dynamics of the business? The only thing we're after is getting you to clean up the shit on your board and leave us the hell alone. Is it that hard to do? MERB seems to be able to get along quite well without even mentioning your board considering there's more than 10 times the posts and traffic here and the name merc isn't even blocked from posting here. But somehow MERB still seems to be able to keep things under control. Other than that I don't give a damn what you do, Tom. It's a pretty sad state of affairs when the only posts you can manage to get are the ones that deal with MERB and even then you're too afraid of this place to even allow the name MERB to be posted on your board.
I noticed a really hilarious thing when reading a couple of posts on merc! Even the letters "zed" are blocked on merc. I found it strange to see some words ending in ***. Words such as civilized show up as civili***. Seriously, that is just too funny to see that the word 'civilized' is banned on merc!! Appropriate though ain't it?
Anyways, it's refreshing to see you admit that you can't moderate your board properly. It's sad. But refreshing. Ever think of getting some real moderators? Maybe you could ask the MERB mods for some tips.
Techman
Who the hell is trying to change the dynamics of the business? The only thing we're after is getting you to clean up the shit on your board and leave us the hell alone. Is it that hard to do? MERB seems to be able to get along quite well without even mentioning your board considering there's more than 10 times the posts and traffic here and the name merc isn't even blocked from posting here. But somehow MERB still seems to be able to keep things under control. Other than that I don't give a damn what you do, Tom. It's a pretty sad state of affairs when the only posts you can manage to get are the ones that deal with MERB and even then you're too afraid of this place to even allow the name MERB to be posted on your board.
I noticed a really hilarious thing when reading a couple of posts on merc! Even the letters "zed" are blocked on merc. I found it strange to see some words ending in ***. Words such as civilized show up as civili***. Seriously, that is just too funny to see that the word 'civilized' is banned on merc!! Appropriate though ain't it?
Anyways, it's refreshing to see you admit that you can't moderate your board properly. It's sad. But refreshing. Ever think of getting some real moderators? Maybe you could ask the MERB mods for some tips.
Techman
I believe my words were "promoted GT's with a fervor", NOT SET UP.
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1a : to advance in station, rank, or honor : raise b : to change (a pawn) into a piece in chess by moving to the eighth rank c : to advance (a student) from one grade to the next higher grade
2a : to contribute to the growth or prosperity of : further <promote international understanding> b : to help bring (as an enterprise) into being : launch c : to present (merchandise) for buyer acceptance through advertising, publicity, or discounting
3slang : to get possession of by doubtful means or by ingenuity
Again, I'll be glad to attend at GT when my appearance fee is prepaid.....
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I guess I don't understand. When she was around competing agencies promoted their attendance at the GT's. The second she left the scene, they all stopped because her competitors suddenly determined that it was no longer good business policy???????........
Please clarify.....Bottom line is the GT's became an extension of Celine's marketing efforts. You can mince words all you want, but you're going to keep tripping over the truth. She was the first to actively utilize the GTs as a major centerpiece for her marketing. She used the "gossip" she fostered at the dinners & GTs to cause deep divisions among clicks & other entitites in the community. I can even conceive that Celine might have even tried to get some poor unsuspecting sap to "redeem" one of the girl's debts or pay their "tuitions"......No on second thought, no one would be that stupid....and she would never go that far.....??
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Actually, the very first agency to set-up its own GT/party that comes to mnd was Montreal Girlfriends, back in around 2002 or 2003 when Alexandra was around. It was held at around Halloween. I was invited, but had to decline due to bad weather. It was attended by several hobbyists still active, such as Special K & Voyager, among others.
I've attended several GTs and even though i was very reluctant to attend at first, i changed my mind about them & met some great people over the years through the GTs or private agency parties (such as the Devilish GT, Mtl GF's Halloween bash last year....i finally got to meet Alexandra (but it's quite possible she barely remembers....lol), but i missed the Eleganza get-together a few years ago, unfortunately). It is true that CF organized a few dinners prior to the official GTs, but even before this hobbyists would get together for either a pre-GT drink or dinner.
And what to say about the infamous FKS New Year's Eve bash that was held a few years ago? Now, that was a monster of a party with the most incredible eye-candy around!
I hope to be able to attend the next GT, whenever that will be. I love sharing a laugh or a beer with familiar faces such as Shijak, Techman, Ned Nobody, Voyager, Cloudsurf, Igna, Hojo, SK, Joe T, Eagerbeaver, Rumples, etc. Heck, i've actually enjoyed finally meeting Tom himself & he's always courteous whenever we bump into one another. The last GT i attended (nearly one year ago) was one of the best GTs i'd ever attended!
I've attended several GTs and even though i was very reluctant to attend at first, i changed my mind about them & met some great people over the years through the GTs or private agency parties (such as the Devilish GT, Mtl GF's Halloween bash last year....i finally got to meet Alexandra (but it's quite possible she barely remembers....lol), but i missed the Eleganza get-together a few years ago, unfortunately). It is true that CF organized a few dinners prior to the official GTs, but even before this hobbyists would get together for either a pre-GT drink or dinner.
And what to say about the infamous FKS New Year's Eve bash that was held a few years ago? Now, that was a monster of a party with the most incredible eye-candy around!
I hope to be able to attend the next GT, whenever that will be. I love sharing a laugh or a beer with familiar faces such as Shijak, Techman, Ned Nobody, Voyager, Cloudsurf, Igna, Hojo, SK, Joe T, Eagerbeaver, Rumples, etc. Heck, i've actually enjoyed finally meeting Tom himself & he's always courteous whenever we bump into one another. The last GT i attended (nearly one year ago) was one of the best GTs i'd ever attended!
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I thought that Tom was intelligent enough to realize what kind of sewer his board has become but it seems I was wrong. Comments like this are just more evidence that he is either totally blind to what's going on over there or just too dense to realize it.
Why do you have to post it yourself when you let your flunkies on merc post it for you? You know what, Tom? Real men don't stand for the shit that gets posted on your board. They clean it up instead. You're responsible for what happens on your board and for what's posted there and you're responsible for keeping it clean. If you aren't willing to do that, why don't you get some mods with a bit of self respect that you can trust to do it for you?
How come the mods here, or on any other review or message board that I've seen, don't seem to have your problems? Are you admitting that controlling a board with the low level of traffic and posts that you get is too much for you? If you can't handle your business, maybe you should sell it to someone who can or just shut it down. Are we all supposed to feel sorry for you because you can't handle the workload? Fred Zed has more boards than you do and for some reason none of them have the problems your's does. If anyone ran a regular business the way you run merc, they would have declared bankruptcy a long time ago or been sued out of existence.
Your feeble post is nothing but a sad admission that you can't handle such a small task as an Internet message board and you're trying to absolve yourself of any responsibility for what gets posted there. Sorry, Tom, but it just doesn't wash. It's your board and what gets posted there is indeed your responsibility. Try owning up to it for a change instead of trying to find excuses.
Techman
Why do you have to post it yourself when you let your flunkies on merc post it for you? You know what, Tom? Real men don't stand for the shit that gets posted on your board. They clean it up instead. You're responsible for what happens on your board and for what's posted there and you're responsible for keeping it clean. If you aren't willing to do that, why don't you get some mods with a bit of self respect that you can trust to do it for you?
How come the mods here, or on any other review or message board that I've seen, don't seem to have your problems? Are you admitting that controlling a board with the low level of traffic and posts that you get is too much for you? If you can't handle your business, maybe you should sell it to someone who can or just shut it down. Are we all supposed to feel sorry for you because you can't handle the workload? Fred Zed has more boards than you do and for some reason none of them have the problems your's does. If anyone ran a regular business the way you run merc, they would have declared bankruptcy a long time ago or been sued out of existence.
Your feeble post is nothing but a sad admission that you can't handle such a small task as an Internet message board and you're trying to absolve yourself of any responsibility for what gets posted there. Sorry, Tom, but it just doesn't wash. It's your board and what gets posted there is indeed your responsibility. Try owning up to it for a change instead of trying to find excuses.
Techman
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