Threats, insults and intimidation directed at MERB from MERC. How do we stop it?

[rumpleforeskiin]

I am confirming to you, that I don't support anything who has been said. I am not in control of what people are writing.

Yes, Maria, you are supporting what has been said. You are supporting it by giving them your money. Yes, Maria, you are in control of what people are writing. Advertisers are the ones in control.

You can take the money you are spending on merc and spend it on merb. Yes, it's more expensive. It's more expensive because it's more valuable. You get what you pay for.

 

[Maria Divina]

My position is, I am an escort, I needed a place to advertise. I am not responsible of all the content of a board. I used to participate to have some fun too, here and there.

The "hobby" is suppose to be fun, and having a good time, or the best we could, that's my opinion. ... ... ... and ...

Ladies shouldn't be mixed in a board war between maybe, 12 people.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Yes, Maria, you are supporting what has been said. You are supporting it by giving them your money. Yes, Maria, you are in control of what people are writing. Advertisers are the ones in control.

Quite true. We see this all the time when it comes to either tv, radio or the newspaper business. For example, in 2001, comedian Bill Maher mentionned on his then tv show 'Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher' that the 911 terrorists had guts for being inside the planes which ran into the twin towers, while the Americans were cowards for being hundreds/thousands of miles away from targets were missiles were being dropped on Baghdad. Or something to the effect. Of course, the matter was blown totally out of context by Maher's detractors, but the damage had already been done. ABC's advertisers complained and threatened a boycott and/or remove their ads, so ABC felt it had no other choice but to cancel Bill Maher's show & end their professional association with him.

Many criticized ABC for their decision to fire Maher instead of supporting him, but advertising revenue are what keeps the network operating.....just like Merb or any other venture. So in order not to lose $$, ABC took the easy way out & got rid of Maher.

It happens all the time. We've seen in with Howard Stern, Don Imus, Rick Sanchez, etc. The advertisers are the ones carrying the bigger stick. When their consumers cry foul & complain to them, they often turn around & put pressure on the companies (tv, radio, newspaper, etc) they give advertising money to & demand changes, or else they'll pull their dollars and take them elsewhere.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

My position is, I am an escort, I needed a place to advertise. I am not responsible of all the content of a board. I used to participate to have some fun too, here and there.

You have a place to advertise, Maria. Right here. Think back to your dinner last December. How many from merc were there? 0. How many from merb? Every one. Actually, Maria, we're doing you a favor encouraging you to stop wasting your money.

Ladies shouldn't be mixed in a board war between maybe, 12 people.

You are more than a lady, Maria. You are an advertiser.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

1.For the sake of argument, I will assume that everything said against the blue is true.

Dee, this sentence suggests that you haven't read the bile that's being propagated over there. Try giving it a look.

I don't think that the ladies should be hurt by boycotting them.

They won't be hurt if they pull their merc advertising. In fact, since they'll no longer be wasting their money soliciting business from the likes of those creeps and misogynists, they'll actually be helped. Maria, for example, needs only look at the attendance list from her last dinner. It was entirely posters from merb. None from over there; they were too busy hiding behind their keyboards.

2. The girlcott simply won't damage those who you seek to damage. That's my position. Agree or disagree but please do so rationally.

See above

5. Merlot blunders again

I must heartily concur. It's beyond me why Merlot wants to pay Maria to take his money to pay Tom to publish the vicious things being written about him.

6. As I have exposed so many fallacies and made so many good points here a banning may well be in the offing.

Dee, my friend, you put far more effort into ignoring the issues at hand and obfuscating that I've begun to question your motives.

 

[Maria Divina]

Yes, I am an advertiser.

For curiosity, is someone able to tell me who is the owner of the red board (the one begining by C...) Is this Fred Zed too?

 

[sapman99]

E-c

C..B is believe is owned by "Escorts Canada", no Maria that is a totally separate company, nothing to do with Fred's group.

 

[Maria Divina]

Who is the owner of "Escorts Canada"? Is this Fred Zed too?

 

[Voyager]

I haven't participated in the controversy, and only go to the other board when someone tells me that there's something I need to read (which happens rarely), but let me try an analogy...

I am not responsible of all the content of a board

Let's say you belong to a dues-paying club. At every meeting the organizer of the club allows members to get up and tell blatant lies & spread rumors about other members & members of other clubs. Many of the targets of these attacks are your friends.

So, you go to the organizer and ask him to put a stop to these attacks... and he says "who me? I can't do anything, I only created, organize, maintain & choose the members of this club"

How long would you remain a member of that club, and continue paying your dues?

I've had the pleasure of meeting Maria on a few occasions, and know she's an intelligent, compassionate, thoughtful person who wouldn't put up with attacks on her friends... especially if she were able to do something about it.

Regards,

Voyager

 

[Maria Divina]

If I remember well, I met privately, for only 1 session, 2 since that diner. And they look to be one against each others, with some ferocity. And I can't just understand, that's maybe to much testosterone...

All the other people implicated in that story aren't regulars at all, but in fact, nobody in that story is seeing me regularly. The majority of the posters I know them because I used to be a major feminine poster on Merb, and I met them in GT's.

The fact who is disturbing me highly, is to be threatnen for my well beeing... If you want to catch a fly, you better use some honey, than vinegar... I am really not comfortable, that's putting some indue pressure on the girls. Maybe I should contact Stella to have their opinion on that subject.

 

[Maria Divina]

Hello Voyager,

As long I have been on boards, exist some contreversial exchanges about subjects.

I always took those "exchanges" like a kind of "sport" between boys and men. I don't understand them, but you seem, all of you, to like it for years!!!!

Now, guys here want to stop it, and the best idea someone has is to threat the ladies/advertisers, to win over the opposite team.

 

[Voyager]

I always took those "exchanges" like a kind of "sport" between boys and men. I don't understand them, but you seem, all of you, to like it for years!!!!

I'm not sure that calling people pedophiles, or rapists, or claiming guys are demanding bbfs is "sport"

 

[Merlot]

I am curious to know how many people on Merb are really approving your tactic. So, we will see by the poll.

What I could see, is that you are maybe, 12 in total disaccord and disrespect, over hundreds of members, here and there.

I am going to make a poll there too.

Hello Maria,

I will clarify my vote. I am supporting the boycott in the terms already mentioned. Since you used the word "comfortable" I must say I am not totally comfortable with the boycott. Rumples and Doc are right that giving advertising dollars to a board is implied support for what is going there. However, I have seen your posts about the ugliness in blueland, I have exchanged messages with you and briefly spoken to you about it...and I know your heart. So I know you disapprove of this ugliness, no matter which side it comes from 100%, and that it distresses you very much to see either side attacking the other.

My misgivings about the boycott concern the fact that while advertising implies support for the ugliness of blueland, the reality is it's much more of an economic issue for the escorts and agencies and in some cases, as with Maria Divina, totally economic. My greatest misgiving is that the real cause of all the bitterness is TOM/The Wickerman/Wicked Man. His decisions alone and his total control and authority over the blue board are the key to perpetuating everything the ugly malcontents have ever written. TOM and the embittered malcontents should pay for what they have done without the methods causing harm to anyone else. TOM is the cause, not the advertisers, but TOM doesn't care about the effect of his actions on anyone else, which is 100% clear in his choice of what to allow and who to band versus who to keep. So I am troubled that advertisers like Maria and all the others are being affected by this boycott because TOM is the springboard of all the sick posts so it is TOM WHO IS THE CAUSE OF EVERYTHING UGLY IN BLUELAND. So it pains me that the advertisers may suffer for what TOM has done deliberately.

TOM has seen all of this ugliness developing on his board and done nothing to stop it. He has restricted his own mods from acting against abusers of the worst sort because they are TOMs pals. He has told me the trouble was caused on both sides, and he is right about that. But when the slanders, and threats of violence, and cross-board stalking, and threats to invade private lives came from Tony, and Ziggy used escorts against other hobbyists (as he now openly claims) on the blueboard, TOM DID NOTHING BUT ENCOURAGE IT ALL BY ALLOWING IT...while also lying that he can't control it.

As for the idea that my attitude on the boycott costs me nothing, that view comes out of total ignorance. Dee certainly cannot know who I have seen except from reviews and posts, and I certainly have not posted about every Independent I have seen or every agency I have used. Dee is just being ignorant. No surprise there because Dee's pseudo debate tactics are deliberately built around ignorance. He has ignored the cause of this problem originating in blueland and has in fact been a key part of the problem with his accusations and slanders. He has come to Merb only to be TOMS surrogate, faking a desire for peace wile totally ignoring the bitterness and ugliness from blueland (since he is part of it) and being nothing more than a misdirecting crap-disturber here. And, if he doesn't like this being repeated then he should find some scruples and manhood and do something to show he isn't just TOMs BOY.

However, as Rumples pointed out in the other thread, this is going around in circles. Dee is only interested in dodging his hypocrisy, Roland is acting like he wants to give Dee a warm and loving sponge bath, and we Merbites are spinning our wheels, except that our persistence with the message is affecting TOM; but only up to a point where someone with the kind of ethics, scruples, and morals to pimp his family can be affected.

Maria this whole episode is an extremely sad state of affairs. I know it distresses you as I have seen your posts in blueland noting these feelings against what goes on there, as well as the disappointment with the anger coming from here. But TOM is the cause of it all through his unwillingness to curb the ugliness and his many choices purposefully instigating this situation over the years.

I'm not sure that calling people pedophiles, or rapists, or claiming guys are demanding bbfs is "sport"

This is IT Maria! It's not about the competition or even the basic personal resentments. It's about the illegal slanders, threats of violence, and threats to ruin people's personal lives. This is NOT SPORT!!! It's sickness and it's criminal.

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[Jman47]

Hello Voyager,

As long I have been on boards, exist some contreversial exchanges about subjects.

I always took those "exchanges" like a kind of "sport" between boys and men. I don't understand them, but you seem, all of you, to like it for years!!!!

Now, guys here want to stop it, and the best idea someone has is to threat the ladies/advertisers, to win over the opposite team.

Hello Maria,

Yes there are always shall we say going to be "spirited discussions" on any board of any type. But as in the real world they should be civil in tone and if they get out of control the moderating body of the board should step in and regulate. What we have witnessed in blueland is the total reckless abandon of a few posters who from outward appearances are just plain nasty people. Common sense says they are cowards behind keyboards...but on the board they go pretty much unregulated. And that is what is at the heart of the discontent in these discussions.

Those here who say you and the other advertisers who pay to advertise in blueland support the board are simply saying...you vote with your dollars. We realize you are running a business and you have to advertise...but if you were to stop advertising there perhaps the owner and mods would get the message that the community is tired of the crap. If the issue is price - ie blue is less than green...perhaps there is an opportunity for Fred to capture some business and offer a special for people to convert...hell thats what I'd do.

Anyway...it is all bullshit and if people would just act like adults this discussion would not be occurring. I hope this clears things up a little.

Jman

 

[Maria Divina]

Merlot,

Please, tell me... Is really someone have been hurts in person, physically attacked, has been his life ruins?

Or this is just words spread on boards?

 

[Dee]

Maria as always speaks wisely.

Voyager and Doc make interesting points.

I can't get over the presumptuousness of purporting to direct the ladies that they will be hurt to protect them and demanding that they run their business in a certain way. Nothing wrong in laying out your views and letting the ladies decide for themselves. And please don't call (remakably) those who support this position misogynists. (Again most would see the irony in that).


You know folks we aren't dealing with GE or RIM (well maybe sometimes... I apologize in advance for this clever joke) or Esso... the people who will be hurt are people like Maria... a wonderful, cheerful lady who is working her way through life; she has a vision of what she wants to do and is working hard to achieve it... do you really want to destroy that because you dislike others. Can't we leave it to she who has to decide how she earns her income to keep her in house and food to decide what is best for her. She isn't ABC.

Merlot, we await your word: Should we boycott Maria and SD and MSC? You voted as being "uncomfortable" with the boycott. This doesn't answer the question... we are all uncomfortable with lots of things but still do them and urge others to do them.

I urge you to unite with me and reject the suggestion to boycott them. Imagine if the community saw that you and I were united! There is a very good chance that we would save the ladies we admire and respect from harm. In another case you departed from Techman's line; admittedly it was a no brainer, but it demonstrates that it can be done.

 

[Jman47]

I will clarify my vote. I am supporting the boycott in the terms already mentioned. Since you used the word "comfortable" I must say I am not totally comfortable with the boycott.

This is IT Maria! It's not about the competition or even the basic personal resentments. It's about the illegal slanders, threats of violence, and threats to ruin people's personal lives. This is NOT SPORT!!! It's sickness and it's criminal.

Well stated...

 

[sapman99]

They are not exchanges anymore

Hello Voyager,

As long I have been on boards, exist some contreversial exchanges about subjects.

I always took those ``exchanges`` like a kind of ``sport`` between boys and men. I don`t understand them, but you seem, all of you, to like it for years!!!!

Now, guys here want to stop it, and the best idea someone has is to threat the ladies/advertisers, to win over the opposite team.

Maria, even before this started, the Blue Board was hammering on certain MERB people relentlessly. They created unholy alliances between themselves to bring shame upon some of us by calling us shameful names, for things that aren`t even offences. If a girl needed to be used and dragged through the mud in the process, she was just collateral damage``.

To glorify himself, Tony posted this:

with cim in the face fuck position (second highlight), daty she just loved that part, fingers anywhere and everywhere, and of course the ultimate pse greek experience (ymmv - don`t even ask!)

1. The young lady swore to me twice there was no digits or greek
2. Whether or not there were, he says in his review she stated her restrictions at the beginning of the date. A smart reviewer NEVER endangers a lady by boasting of acts he got but that are not advertised. He just stores it as a fond memory to smile over
3. She refused to see him the next time
4. He started demolishing her
5. A high number of posters got on this bandwagon, not ONE supporting the girl. All started decrying rumours she was-is on drugs. Get real about the escort scene and drugs, AND get real, he is a pig.

A very similar case happened over another escort and kissing. They have now escalated this into a ``Rape thread``.

This is not a simple ``boys fight`` at all. These are vicious attacks by people distorting everything they lay their hands on, people claiming to defend girls while using the girls as cannon fodder in their quest.

Any fight like this would have had a 2 hour time window at best here. On MERC, they have been allowed to rage and rumble for months, and since they are not moderated, they grow bolder in their fabrications by the day.

They must be stopped and it`s not posters who can do it. Only the people who pay to keep the board up. Advertisers.

Thanks Maria

 

[Maria Divina]

Thank you Jman for your answer.

Frankly, I don't know what to do with all this story.

I really hate violences, I don't know why everyone could be so mean to each others, but the way to act generally, is to not put a finger between the bark and the wood, to not take part of it.

I have to think about it, because you are telling to totally quit to advertise with Tom, but I got some clients who are coming from my advertisings there who aren't the clients from Merb, so basically, you want me to cut my income from there. And you are telling me to come advertise on Merb, instead. So, you are pushing me. I dislike really much to be pushed, I want to let you know. And I have a good memory.

Everyone knows, that my regular friendly clients aren't posters.

I don't like to be caught in a fight, generally, what I am doing, when it happens, I just go away. I won't choose between a board or another, because, what the guys implicated have to understand, is, for one, I don't understand your war, and two, I won't make a preference between both boards to make "win" a side.

The thing who could happen is everyone will lose me.

Each "gang" are effraying to take it so seriously what could be written on a board, at the point to think to hurt people who have nothing to do with their fights, make them a bad reputation or what else? I am like an hostage. And I don't like it.

I am checking that, maybe I will find another way to advertise, and maybe, other advertisers will go from the 2 boards too, and let all the people who are making the war alone by themselves.

I could suggest another way to go: The 2 boards owners (Fred Zed and Tom) should make a pacific pact, and they should ban definitively all the trouble-makers of all the boards and don't allow them to come back ever. That could be like a Salomon decision: each part will be for ever not existing on boards, and everyone will be peacefull and could do what we are supposing to do on a Review board like this: talk about the girls, having fun with the girls, and having fun to exchange with each others.
This is really logical, just to condamn those who are implicated, and who are stirring shit. Both side.

Do you like my proposition, Mister the owners? Fred Zed and Tom?

 

[Merlot]

Hello all,

Maria as always speaks wisely.

I urge you to unite with me and reject the suggestion to boycott them. Imagine if the community saw that you and I were united! There is a very good chance that we would save the ladies we [COLOR=``red``]admire and respect[/COLOR] from harm. In another case you departed from Techman`s line; admittedly it was a no brainer, but it demonstrates that it can be done.

When did you DEE start to care about the ladies????? You have been a blueland member and still are. Your fellow members/friends there have always trashed the ladies as sluts, whores, objects to ridicule and simple serve and obey men like dogs. Your pals OK and Tony are two of the biggest misogynists on any board, and your pal Dissection Tool/Ziggy has tired to legitimize taking money from escorts to pay clients for reviews. When an escort in blueland tried to create a thread proposing to discuss clients, TOM by posing as the WICKERMAN posted teeling her...you don`t get it do you... the purpose here is for us (hobbyists) to review you (escorts)...your (escorts) purpose here is to suck our cocks.

Most pointedly in your alleged concerns, they have attacked and ridiculed Maria Divina many times. YOU, who now alleges concern for the ladies and demands respect for their views, both said little or nothing against these abuses of the ladies and joined in to make sport of many of them. I URGE YOU DEE TO SHOW COMPASSION, TO DROP THE HYPOCRISY AND GO TO BLUELAND TO PROTEST THEIR PART OF THIS WHOLE EPSIODE AND THEIR HISTORY OF ABUSE AGAINST ESCORTS.

Your answer?????????????????????????????????

Merlot,

Please, tell me... Is really someone have been hurts in person, physically attacked, has been his life ruins?

Or this is just words spread on boards?

I don`t know about others. I have received personal PM threats from three members of blueland, and some public insinuations.

To glorify himself, Tony posted this:

with cim in the face fuck position (second highlight), daty she just loved that part, fingers anywhere and everywhere, and of course the ultimate pse greek experience (ymmv - don`t even ask!)

1. The young lady swore to me twice there was no digits or greek
2. Whether or not there were, he says in his review she stated her restrictions at the beginning of the date. A smart reviewer NEVER endangers a lady by boasting of acts he got but that are not advertised. He just stores it as a fond memory to smile over
3. She refused to see him the next time
   [*]He started demolishing her
   [*]A high number of posters got on this bandwagon, not ONE supporting the girl. All started decrying [COLOR=``red``]rumours she was-is on drugs.[/COLOR] Get real about the escort scene and drugs, AND get real, he is a pig.

A very similar case happened over another escort and kissing. They have now escalated this into a ``Rape thread``.

Thanks Maria

Wow, another escort trashed and slandered in blueland. DISGUSTING!!! [SIZE=``4``]DEE[/SIZE]...there is a great deal of disrespect and ``HARM`` there. DO YOU CARE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT????

Your answer??????????

Merlot