Threats, insults and intimidation directed at MERB from MERC. How do we stop it?

[Merlot]

Hello all,

Dee, no one is telling anyone to destroy Maria's business. Were telling Maria to adopt a more ethical advertising policy and to stop giving the money she's earning from her clients to the slimeball for whom you seem to be working as an apologist.

Uh NO! I am not telling anyone to do anything. I am giving my opinion. We give our side of the story based on as many reliable facts as reasonably possible and let others read both sides to make up their own mind. The moment "we" start presuming to "tell" these ladies what to do I will delete every single post from this thread and ask that my vote be removed. I for one have faith in others generally, except for the type of dedicated lying hypocrites like Dee. Please speak for yourself Rumples. I can respect that, as well as the depth of your feelings on this matter. But I speak for myself only and "tell" no one to do anything.

I am an agency owner and I want to put my 2 cents and opinion...

I believe with what Merlot had said about the board being completely unprofessional and the owner being at fault.

I myself have an issue with the owner due to outstanding balance of $80 that he avoided to collect and then accused me of being a theif... even after many times that I have tried to pay him(even posted it on his board) but he wants NOTHING to do with it... why?? cause it is WELL KNOWN that he is friends with an agency owner and therefore protecting him.

He claims its a board where everyone is allowed to be on except certain agencies....

The problem IS the owner of the board and as they say... "Attitude reflects Leadership".
There is NO control on the blue side nor does he want any... it is NOT a community board but a place where the "OWNER" calls the shots.

I believe for an owner of a review board should be someone who's NOT and ex-pimp/agency owner but rather someone that has knowledge and maybe some experience in the industry.

If your going to run a review board, there has to be rules and any advertisers that what to advertise should be allowed.

So the problem comes from the TOP

John and I on the same page? LOL! Doesn't Tony look the fool...as always.

TOM is totally responsible for this entire situation. TOM provides the platform, TOM teaches everyone what is allowed, TOM refuses to curb anything. It's that simple.

rf, I ALWAYS vote my pecker.

As to how I choose where I spend my money, there are many factors. One such factor:

birds of a feather, flocks together. If a sp chooses to aligns herself or keep company with unsavory characters, that alone would not stop me from booking her. But it IS part of the decision process, especially if she is being weighed against another one of exactly the same 'qualities'. If that tips the scale, so be it.

Hornypilgrim, thanks. This is all I hope for, that members will read both sides and make up their own mind after considering all implications. If they choose not to support the boycott then at least having a more informed basis for that choice is fair. The first thing about the boards is that every member or lurker has a right to just come here and get the information they need to have fun with escorts. There is absolutely no need or obligation on any member or lurker to become involved in any of this bitterness.

But there are serious issues here for those of us involved, issues based on violation of everyone's right to enjoy the boards and the ladies they chose to meet. The boys in blueland have tried many times to interfere with that through illegal threats of violence, slanders, and threats to destroy private lives. That I cannot ignore. I don't expect those who come here for fun to get involved, just to understand if this episode crosses your path.

Saw the list of advertisers... as the kid said in the Black Sox scandal "say it ain't so Joe"... boycott Maria Divina??? Cause her harm to some how hurt some one else??? This kind lady who has put in a most kind word to me (no personal info) about Merlot who now wants to hurt her financially if she don't bow to his will in the way she conducts her business.

NO!!!!!!!!!!!! WRONG!!!!!!!!!! Remember the old saying when you "ASSUME." Except it's just you in this case. I just saw Maria Divina in October. She is one of the greatest ladies in any way one could imagine that i have ever met. I categorically will never boycott her. As I said above..."loyalty" to those who have been good to me. No argument will change that. That's between her and I. However, Maria and I have had a purely business relationship I consider having nothing to do with blueland so I do not consider going against that board as having anything to do with me and Maria Divina. If you don't agree, I DON'T CARE!


Cheers,

Merlot

You want people to stop seeing Maria... I don't. You think that you should be able to tell her how to run her business. I don't. Ask Maria whose position she prefers; who more closely represents her interests.

Once again let me be very direct. You are a liar. My earlier post said I would never boycott Maria Divina. I also praised her very highly as "one of the greatest ladies in any way one could imagine that I have ever met". Are you Dee that dense. At the very least I made a big promotion of Maria, which at minimum encourages a meeting. I don't care if you are incapable of comprehending that point, but a total lie is another matter.

DEE SUSPENDED! Lies, misdirection, crap-disturbing, being Toms surrogate...and having made many accusations while hiding in blueland. It's about time. Now watch his replies from the blue again.

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[Bigboyeddie]

stop talking about me like that! where's my lawyers phone # when i need it...

LOL. Now now, this is a serious thread. People's feelings have been hurt. A little respect and compassion for the victims of this sad tragedy (Attempted handle murder as well as handle defamation of character)

Gentlemen, if your enemies are banned from this board. Ignore them and move on. Simple as that. I've been around for years and don't even know 20% of why these fights are going on and I'm not going to start reading old posts from years ago just to find out why.

Anyhow, I'm done with this thread. My conclusion is simply that all this aggravation is probably not even worth it if you sincerely analyze everything. Yes, revenge is sweet sometimes but not worth it most of the time.

Take a break from the War, Christmas is coming in just over a month! LOL

Think of which girl Santa is gonna deliver you.

 

[Ina Bioni]

BBE I didn't realize that we have always been in the presence of such greatness such as yourself, who hasn't ever made a mistake and trusted the wrong people with your personal information.

How would you feel if your professional business became revealed on a sex board for others to find out. Or maybe a loved one is revealed publicly on such a board. Would you still think the same way ? These are the type of things that have been revealed on Merc. In such cases, you've done nothing wrong against anyone, just an error in judgment, so should you be punished for being stupid? Are you lacking in empathy ? This is the reason why no personal information ever be permitted to be revealed publicly on a internet board.

BBE, johnmbot or whoever else thinks that they haven't erred in this regard, good luck with that. I have long added up the numbers of such imperfect humans, myself included and arrived at Crom only to find the well dry but the balance sheet tells me differently.

 

[Bigboyeddie]

BBE I didn't realize that we have always been in the presence of such greatness such as yourself, who hasn't ever made a mistake and trusted the wrong people with your personal information.

How would you feel if your professional business became revealed on a sex board for others to find out. Or maybe a loved one is revealed publicly on such a board. Would you still think the same way ? These are the type of things that have been revealed on Merc. BBE, johnmbot or whoever else thinks that they haven't erred in this regard, good luck with that. I have long added up the numbers of such imperfect humans, myself included and arrived at Crom only to find the well dry but the balance sheet tells me differently.

Where is this info revealed? What details???? Feel free to back up your strong claims.

Who were the wrong people to trust with this kind of info? If someone is dumb enough to tell their life stories to lowlives, they are just dumb.

You're saying a bunch of stuff but 99.5% of all registered handles from both boards don't even care even if they had the info.

 

[Ina Bioni]

You clearly and have at times admitted openly that you haven't read all of the posts on Merc. This is what the whole issue is about. These are the people that you are defending, those who reveal personal private information on a public board not to mentions public threats against other members.

 

[Bigboyeddie]

You clearly and have at times admitted openly that you haven't read all of the posts on Merc. This is what the whole issue is about. These are the people that you are defending, those who reveal personal private information on a public board not to mentions public threats against other members.

Are the threats as well as the private info still posted on Merc? If it's there, then I can see for myself. Send me the link.

 

[gugu]

It's only a handle.

Yours may be. It is not my case, it is not SP’s case and it is not the case of most people attending attending GTs. It is no coincidence that the issue of GT’s is at the origin of the present debate. Real people go to GTs, even if they introduce themselves with a handle.

You should learn that most of people participating on this board speak up their true mind and true emotions. They are not playing a game and do not intent to play a game. They should be allowed to do so without being ridiculed or threatened. You think they are dumb? Your opinion. You think because they are dumb you may attack them at will? Well… try it here or on EQ and let’s see what happens.

 

[Bigboyeddie]

Yours may be. It is not my case, it is not SP’s case and it is not the case of most people attending attending GTs. It is no coincidence that the issue of GT’s is at the origin of the present debate. Real people go to GTs, even if they introduce themselves with a handle.

You should learn that most of people participating on this board speak up their true mind and true emotions. They are not playing a game and do not intent to play a game. They should be allowed to do so without being ridiculed or threatened. You think they are dumb? Your opinion. You think because they are dumb you may attack them at will? Well… try it here or on EQ and let’s see what happens.

Yeah I know, I was at the first ever GT and helped organize others. Once again, where are the threats you speak off? All these pages and not one person has linked concrete evidence of any threats that are so life damaging that the police should get involved.

I know how to debate people in a polite and respectful fashion, if they wanna get rude, I can play that game as well. EQ I don't care it's a useless board to me as I don't live in Quebec City.

I personally don't need any boards as I have the e-mails of a few guys who know the hobby extremely well that I share info with. Ask around I gave SO MUCH MORE TO OTHERS THAN I HAVE EVER TAKEN FROM ANY BOARD.

Never earned a dime for helping others and never wanted a dime. Never shilled and never asked an agency or girls for favours. Just helping fellow guys as well as myself to have fun was satisfaction enough.

Canbest days were the best, no politics, no fighting. Small group of dudes who looked out for each other. everybody shared their info. That was the last board I actually took more from than I gave as I was once a rookie as well.

Heard stories about you Gugu on your EQ board. I won't comment as I don't post there. But you weren't no angel yourself from what I heard. LOL So cut the Defender of Human Rights and Freedoms act. LOL If it's not true than fine as well as it probably does not effect the lives of 99% of hobbyists.

Anyhow, why doesn't someone post a link or cut and paste the devastating info you are apparently complaining about that is still on MERC? Let the public judge if they are evil or not.

If the info has been deleted, than voicing your complaints a year later won't help your cause much.

I always put myself in someone's place in order to understand their perspective. If someone were to post personal info like my real name, employer or address on a freakin escort board I would be pissed off!

So go ahead and show us if that's the case as I can't find it.

 

[Bigboyeddie]

All this makes sense to me, except for one little thing, you can hardly call smurfland a review board. The sole purpose of merc over the past year or so was to review (read attack) other legitimate review boards and this was of course done by copying and pasting reviews (a synonym of stealing) posted on the other 2 boards. Wickerman has absolutely no sense of what Internet Marketing is all about and this guy is "running" his website like any pimp from the eighties would do.

Also, except of a couple of SPs/agencies, all the sponsors of merc and EM have a very questionable reputation, just have a quick look at the list that was posted earlier here. SPs and agencies who seriously care about their business will never accept to be associated with a site that promotes violence and hate, not even for free.

You dudes are selfish guys LOL. Basically pressuring ALL the members and advertisers of an escort board to boycott or quit MERC completely because approximately 5 guys from one board hate 5 guys from another board. So a total of 10 people should impact the thousands of hobbysits and providers of this City?

DAMN! You guys have massive egos!

Many members including myself spent a lot of our hard earned money to hobby and post our reviews. Thanks for saying we're a bunch of frauds that cut and paste reviews of others. Hahahahahahahaahahahahaahhahaha! That was the biggest joke I heard all day.

Anyways, my conclusion is I like both boards. I won't let a few people change my opinion about WHOLE boards.

If boards were crap, no one would use them.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Uh NO! I am not telling anyone to do anything. I am giving my opinion. We give our side of the story based on as many reliable facts as reasonably possible and let others read both sides to make up their own mind. The moment "we" start presuming to "tell" these ladies what to do I will delete every single post from this thread and ask that my vote be removed. I for one have faith in others generally, except for the type of dedicated lying hypocrites like Dee. Please speak for yourself Rumples. I can respect that, as well as the depth of your feelings on this matter. But I speak for myself only and "tell" no one to do anything.

When I say "we," Merlot, I'm not including you. When there is a boycott and one chooses to "join" in by boycotting only those with whom he doesn't already do business, that is hardly joining at all. That's what we call a "Republican" boycott. It is utterly toothless. "Oh, sign me up, except for the ones I'm already passing money to Tom through."

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

what works against your goal is the constant inflow of new people over there who have no idea what's going on, and don't care. what if in 2 years merc is still around & the disliked characters are as well, and nothing has changed?

Constant inflow? Statistics show that 25% of those that hit merc leave after the first page. The other 75% are Ziggy the Clown and his trained chimp Tony.

 

[gugu]

Heard stories about you Gugu on your EQ board. I won't comment as I don't post there. But you weren't no angel yourself from what I heard. LOL So cut the Defender of Human Rights and Freedoms act. LOL If it's not true than fine as well as it probably does not effect the lives of 99% of hobbyists.

Saying “your EQ board” clearly suggests I own the EQ board. Can you back up that statement?

What do you mean by “you weren’t no angel yourself”? You have to agree that such a statement cannot be made without any detail. Please extend.

Bigboyeddie, if you give a credible response to those two questions, I will do you a favor and provide to you by pm corroborated proves of the threats I have received, of which mod 11 has a copy, and some other details I cannot make public.

 

[Iconic One]

I'm barely even a member here, but I'll wade in regardless. These are anonymous boards and no one is really directly accountable for anything they write. That is the lens I use to view all this stuff. So, I ignore. That's my perspective on this matter. In my professional life - when there are media stories where there is a negative and inaccurate message about the industry i work in and it is my job to react publicly on behalf of the industry, i weigh my decision on whether or not responding to make my point, which will keep the story alive, is really worth it. I usually ignore. The story almost always dies then.

I really can't take anonymous posters seriously. You shouldn't take me seriously either. I have seen the other board, meh. I like this one better - it's more active.

So, I ignore. I really can't imagine a post that would make me react to something i think is silly in the first place because we just talking with our unaccountable alter-egos. So who cares about that?

The industry I work for? International Rabid Dog Fighting, of course. You already guessed that.

Maria Divina? I think she's really attractive and sweet. I have never met her bc I don't get to Mtl much. Damn.

What else have I got to say. Oh, posting I am ignoring xxxxx and xxxxx in red letters in your signature is not ignoring. It's the opposite of ignoring. (sorry dude - that's just my opinion which is expressed anonymously so feel free to disregard it)

My unaccountable advice, like always is relax, ignore the haters, get some sleep, get on with your life, and of course, watch International Rabid Dog Fighting!

I had fun writing this post. Peace.

 

[CS Martin]

i'm not making any judgements. go ahead and boycott or whatever it is you want to do. i'm just asking ?'s like:

• what has to happen in order for you to consider your strategy a success?
• do you have a deadline?
• how much time & energy are you willing to spend in pursuit of your goal?

Again, a thoughtful approach to an unaddressed issue.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Again, a thoughtful approach to an unaddressed issue.

Unaddressed my sweet Irish ass. These questions have been answered numerous times by numerous people in two threads.

 

[HornyForEver]

You dudes are selfish guys LOL. Basically pressuring ALL the members and advertisers of an escort board to boycott or quit MERC completely because approximately 5 guys from one board hate 5 guys from another board. So a total of 10 people should impact the thousands of hobbysits and providers of this City?

DAMN! You guys have massive egos!

Many members including myself spent a lot of our hard earned money to hobby and post our reviews. Thanks for saying we're a bunch of frauds that cut and paste reviews of others. Hahahahahahahaahahahahaahhahaha! That was the biggest joke I heard all day.

Anyways, my conclusion is I like both boards. I won't let a few people change my opinion about WHOLE boards.

If boards were crap, no one would use them.

So why did you bother to take up posting on MERB after a very long absence? The answers to your post have been already provided by many members above, so I am not even going to bother commenting any further on your feeble posts.

Next troll please.

 

[Merlot]

Hello all,

So Maria, you have decided to start your own thread on this matter instead of contributing to the other thread! Some people mentioned elsewhere that you are graving for visibility, unpaid visibility that is.

Look HFE, this is a cheap accusation any way one looks at it. I know Maria well and I know she is just troubled by all of this episode. If you have read her posts then you should have seen how she is deciding what she should do. Making a totally unfounded accusation against one of the advertisers this boycott is trying to reach is not going to help the cause; it's counter-productive, and just dirty, to accuse Maria when she seems to be reconsidering her advertising...just as this boycott wants.

When I say "we," Merlot, I'm not including you. When there is a boycott and one chooses to "join" in by boycotting only those with whom he doesn't already do business, that is hardly joining at all. That's what we call a "Republican" boycott. It is utterly toothless. "Oh, sign me up, except for the ones I'm already passing money to Tom through."

As I told Dee, and you probably saw, I have not posted about everyone I have seen. As I indicated in the previous post the boycott will affect me concerning previous choices. And, as you have probably seen I have made a few posts in both threads with a lot of "teeth" taking on every offending member you have targeted.

I don't live in Montreal where I can see escorts at will and be the big factor in this boycott some Montrealers can. But there are many like me who have spent our money there for a very long time, and at least one here supporting this boycott vociferously who doesn't hobby at all. Conversely, there are many, many who have hobbied many years and abundantly each year who have contributed nothing to these threads or the boycott. So it's about contributions, not who might be or is making the bigger sacrifice in meetings numbers, especially when most agencies on the blue-board are the more undesirable ones and the abundance of good agencies with the multitude of good escort choices elsewhere makes any real sacrifice minimal at best. Further exposing Tom for what he promotes and what he is is just as important.

Yeah I know, I was at the first ever GT and helped organize others. Once again, where are the threats you speak off? All these pages and not one person has linked concrete evidence of any threats that are so life damaging that the police should get involved.

Next guy who will insist on you meeting them, go to the meeting, bring along a baseball bat and crack their head open.

http://********/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=20513&highlight=baseball&page=6

I think I'll try it myself soon. I have a handle registered undetected over at the green board and have made myself known. One person/handle is insisting on meeting after flaming me for a while. I'll let you know how his head bounced off the sidewalk. Then, as tradition has it, I'll pee on his face. Soon the green board will lose a member who won't want to come back ever to pull the same shit and threaten hobbyists like that. I'll make sure also the rest of the girlymen who pull the same shit know what happened to him. He ain't gonna be pretty no more. Here it comes... just make one of them a lesson to the rest.

Here you go BBE. Your standards to skew the scale of the offense by classifying it as "life damaging" doesn't change the reality that this is a serious threat or the fact that by keeping it and refusing to do anything about it, or the member who posted it, TOM is promoting an illegal act. By the way, you posted in this thread containing the threat on the previous page. Perhaps you did not read on or participate there further, but the time for inferring this never happened is now over.

As for our other grievences about slander:

*** DON'T LET THE TERRORISTS PUT YOU OUT OF BUSINESS! *** BAN RUMPLES, MERL-OT, DOC HOLLIDAY, TECHMAN, HORNYFOREVER, GUGU, SAPMAN99, INA BIONI, BUCKY!*** FIRE MOD8 AND MOD 11!*** SAY NO TO RAPE! ***

This sample is plenty to cover that territory too. The rape accusation is just the newest slander, and has been detailed much further by it's author in other posts. Now that the evidence is here maybe we can get back to the issues instead of inferring none of the issues exist.

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[HornyForEver]

Merlot,

I hope that you are right and it is her call now.

 

[CS Martin]

You dudes are selfish guys LOL. Basically pressuring ALL the members and advertisers of an escort board to boycott or quit MERC completely because approximately 5 guys from one board hate 5 guys from another board. So a total of 10 people should impact the thousands of hobbysits and providers of this City?

There appear to be many agendas here, as is the norm on the boards. However, one of the original premises of the Moderators and many of the posters here is that MERC management has become irresponsible. John of Eleganza was basic, but eloquent, in his comments earlier in this thread. Mod 8 has made this one of his base premises. Based upon those statements, and many others in this thread, your statement would appear to be totally incorrect when you use the word "completely". Not an intelligent choice of words or a reasonable complete thought.

Have a fucking nice day!!

CS Martin

 

[CS Martin]

and what are the answers? now before you tell me to look it up myself, be aware i have many dollars to vote with towards your cause, but my level of interest in it is undecided. a hostile answer would definitely tip the scale in an unfavorable direction. so i would appreciate a direct answer from one of the leaders of this cause.

what if someone started a reverse boycott campaign? ie. a message posted here on merb stating "attention insert agency/indy name here, i will only book you if you advertise on the blue board."

or

"the white knight in me prevents me from telling insert agency/indy name here directly to stop advertising on the blue board or else i will not call them anymore."

i'm just thinking out loud here, rumple. before i initiate a course of action i like to think of the possible obstacles, then i assess the amount of time & energy i wish to expend on it.

so... what are the answers to my original ?'s.

One of my personal heros, Norman Schwarzkopf, Jr.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Schwarzkopf,_Jr.

once said over the international media something to this effect:

When starting a military action define the following or else face failure:
1) Clearly define your objective
2) Have a clear plan to get in.
3) Have a clear plan to get out.

This advice seems good in most instances. So those that endorse a boycott would make a clear concise case if they simply answer the questions in a well laid out format. When trying to gather support, clearly stating your plans, goals and intentions seems pivitol to gaining broader support.

Less than 30% of the voters currently support this boycott. Proponents don't appear to have convinced a large part of the electorate.