Trump 2nd Impeachment trial

[minutemenX]

For me all of this is very simple. Democrats are not ready to let Trump go. Unti-Trumpism is the only unifying agenda they have. Without Tramp all this loose coalition of radical left, liberal university elite and corrupted old Washington functionaries will disintegrate very fast. Radical left will turn against party “dinosaurs” and moderates against radical left. Tramp is gone but his agenda of “US-first” fueled by nostalgic memory of glorious and prosperous times is pretty much alive.

 

[sene5hos]

Impeachment managers and former President Donald Trump's defense team are asked whether or not they believe Trump's claim that the 2020 election was rigged against him and that he actually won.

He is getting mad about people not answering questions when he’s literally not answering the question while saying that.

Michael van der Veen, how many times does he need to hear the question? This doesn't seem like strategy, just like stupidity.

 

[The Nature Boy]

Respecting oaths, republicans, keeping other presidents from doing the same, etc. is not something that is achieved by an impeachment. Impeaching a president, if found guilty, simply removes him from office. That’s it.

My understanding is that if he’s convicted (even though he’s been removed by office by election, again which he bullshittingly refused to accept which led to this whole fiasco) he can then be disqualified by holding office. This vote can’t take place unless he’s convicted. He obviously can’t be convicted if he isn’t impeached. He obviously wouldn’t have gotten impeached a second time if he didn’t incite an insurrection to delay certification of an election and hang pence

 

[anon_vlad]

If Trump was impeached, it would save the tax payers money. He would lose his $220,000 a year pension, a security detail and paid office space.

Nature Boy and I agree that if he is convicted he will be barred from future public office. However, I think that he can be barred by a Senate vote even if not convicted.

 

[The Nature Boy]

He needs to be censored, but no republican will vote for a censor with language of barring him from future office again, lol.

But you bring up a good point, now that he has been removed legitimately by an election, he gets the benefits of a former president, pension, travel expense, with conviction/impeachment, he loses all that

 

[Fradi]

If Trump was impeached, it would save the tax payers money. He would lose his $220,000 a year pension, a security detail and paid office space.

Really,
Exactly how many years at $ 220,000 could they have afforded to pay Trump from these two impeachment proceedings
I would guess maybe 200-300 years worth. How much security is being payed for during these proceedings so there is not another “insurrection“ of the proceedings.
Real savings for the taxpayer considering Trump is 74 years old.
Please let me know how you came up with the conclusion that this would have saved money for the tax payer.
Hope you don’t give investment advice also.

 

[IamNY]

My understanding is that if he’s convicted (even though he’s been removed by office by election, again which he bullshittingly refused to accept which led to this whole fiasco) he can then be disqualified by holding office. This vote can’t take place unless he’s convicted. He obviously can’t be convicted if he isn’t impeached. He obviously wouldn’t have gotten impeached a second time if he didn’t incite an insurrection to delay certification of an election and hang pence

I agree, but impeaching a president just because you know he may give you a run for your money in the 2024 election isn't what impeachment is meant to be for. That's why IMHO is the reason for going through the motions of impeachment. It's obviously not about getting him out of office because he has already left. What the dems are really concerned about is that the 74 million Trump voters could easily increase their numbers and win the 2024 election, even more so if Trump was permitted to run again. I'll let the legal minds on the board chime in on this, but if there's nobody to kick out of office then there's no reason to impeach and if there's no reason to impeach there's no reason to prevent him from running in a future election.

 

[The Nature Boy]

I agree, but impeaching a president just because you know he may give you a run for your money in the 2024 election isn't what impeachment is meant to be for.

No but impeaching a president while he’s still president because he incited shit that got people killed and tried to prevent results of an election he didn’t win certified is.

This bitch has lost 2 popular votes in a general election, lost the house 2 years ago, didn’t win it back this year, aaaand lost the fuckin senate. He lost a completely red state Georgia and lost its senate seats and then tried to fuck over the republican sec of state, republican attorney general and republican governor and republican Lt. Governor in the process

Ya, dems are scared yo. It’s the MAGAstanis who are PETRIFIED about 2024 cause they can’t win without the crazies.

 

[IamNY]

^^^^Yeh, I have no idea what your talking about. Impeaching a president is to remove him from office. He’s not in office anymore. I should have known better than to try to have a normal conversation with you about this.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

If Trump was impeached, it would save the tax payers money. He would lose his $220,000 a year pension, a security detail and paid office space.

No, read up.

Fact check: Trump loses several perks only if there's an impeachment conviction by Jan. 20

Posts get repercussions of a second Trump impeachment mostly correct, but revocation of perks depends on a Senate conviction before Jan. 20.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Fradi]

TNB,
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense impeach a guy a week before he is to leave office to remove him from his office knowing the proceedings will take place a month after he is gone btw it doesn’t matter that it will cost tax payers millions for this stupid farce.
I guess TDS thinking doesn’t have to make too much sense does it.
Why don’t you bet against Brady winning the super bowl tomorrow it shouldn’t matter that he has already won.

 

[The Nature Boy]

^^^^Yeh, I have no idea what your talking about. Impeaching a president is to remove him from office. He’s not in office anymore. I should have known better than to try to have a normal conversation with you about this.

Impeaching a president is the process by which you charge him or her of misconduct and attempt to hold them accountable.

He was impeached while he was president, it’s not like he left office and dems AND REPUBLICANS INCLUDING CHEYNEY went back after Jan 20 and said let’s impeach trump

He can be held accountable for bullshit he’s been charged/impeached for while he’s still President after he’s left office

U are wrong, absolutely wrong, as usual, lol

Definition of IMPEACH

to charge with a crime or misdemeanor; specifically : to charge (a public official) before a competent tribunal with misconduct in office; to cast doubt on; especially : to challenge the credibility or validity of… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Impeachment | Definition, Process, History, & Facts

Impeachment, in common law, a proceeding instituted against a public official by a legislative body. In Great Britain the House of Commons serves as prosecutor and the House of Lords as judge. In the United States the House of Representatives institutes the proceedings and the Senate acts as judge.

www.britannica.com

 

[purplem]

The impeachment process has illustrated the intelligence and decency of the Democratic Party while exposing the incompetence and hypocrisy of the Republicans. It has also shown how it's now impossible for Trump to find a capable lawyer, as no capable or ethical lawyer wants to be associated with the disgraced and unscrupulous former president.

It also provided irony as the video footage of the violent, treasonous attack on democracy incited by Trump shows many of the right-wing loonies carrying Trump signs and calling themselves patriots. These idiots claim to be "the party of law and order" but their lunatic far-right supporters use American flags as weapons while they threaten to hang the vice president, assassinate the Speaker of the House...and also while they actually MURDER a police officer. The biggest danger to the United States does not come from Russia, China or Iran. It comes from the right-wing crazies, conspiracy theorists, racists and corrupt Republican politicians.

 

[Fradi]

The decency of the Democratic Party.
I guess someone forgot that this is not the joke thread.

 

[The Nature Boy]

Impeachment is not about party affiliation Purple, there’s a lot about this process the dems have gotten wrong, NOW they call witnesses??!!

Fradi,

It doesn’t make sense to you because your thinking in absolutes. Removal of office can be end result of impeachment, but it’s not impeachment itself

Impeachment is a method of holding a public official accountable.

How viable and worthwhile this level of accountability is ie removing their pension and 1 million dollar travel expense account and of course the ability to prevent Trumpy to run again is another debate

 

[The Nature Boy]

Who do you think they will call as witnesses? Eager Beaver? Your thoughts?

 

[purplem]

Impeachment is not about party affiliation Purple, there’s a lot about this process the dems have gotten wrong, NOW they call witnesses??!!

Right as always Naitch. And of course the dems have gotten a lot wrong but at least their motives are correct as opposed to the corrupt repubs still protecting the guilty failure who formerly held office.

 

[sene5hos]

5 ways Trump and his supporters are using the same strategies as science deniers

President Donald Trump and his supporters exhibit the methods of science deniers. Like anti-evolutionists and flat-earthers, they reject what they don’t want to believe and accept what they favor.

theconversation.com

This article is very interesting.

While watching the House impeachment hearings, I realized my two decades of research into why people ignore, reject or deny science had a political parallel.
From anti-evolutionists to anti-vaccine advocates, known as “anti-vaxxers,” climate change deniers to Flat Earthers, science deniers all follow a common pattern of faulty reasoning that allows them to reject what they don’t want to believe – and accept what they favor – based on a misunderstanding of how science deals with evidence.
As I’ve been watching the hearings, I’ve noticed that a number of characteristics of this type of reasoning are now being embraced by President Donald Trump and his congressional supporters.

Here are the five ways Trump and his allies use the same strategies as science deniers:
Conspiracy theories: ....
Cherry-picking: ....
Discrediting experts: ....
Illogical reasoning: ....
Double standard for opponents: ....

 

[Fradi]

TNB,
Please stop the BS.
This has got nothing to do with holding Trump accountable. The Dems no full well they will not get enough votes to make the impeachment stick.
This is all about trying to discredit and destroy the Republican Party and hang on to power and the money for as long as they can.
It is always about this on both sides, none are intelligent or remotely decent but the public are certainly stupid and will never learn that they will get fucked no matter who they pick.

 

[The Nature Boy]

TNB,
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense impeach a guy a week before he is to leave office to remove him from his office knowing the proceedings will take place a month after he is gone btw it doesn’t matter that it will cost tax payers millions for this stupid farce.
I guess TDS thinking doesn’t have to make too much sense does it.
Why don’t you bet against Brady winning the super bowl tomorrow it shouldn’t matter that he has already won.

This is TDS

Some are just pissed that with Trump possibly getting flushed away politically which is the real possible end point their way of life may be comin to an end