This makes no sense. There is a verbal contract in place. One hour is meant to be one hour. If things get cut five minutes short that's understandable. One cannot reallt nitpick on that. On the other hand, I cannot picture 10mins removed being anything but malicious, callous, and a clear break of the "fantasy" many embrace. You demand the client simply pay more ro extend. What if they don't have anymore? What if they meticulous planned for a trip? What if ? You act like your solution is THE SOLUTION and don't think of the john's situation or anything else. Similarly, the guys who are staying over, like it's expect because they couldn't blow their load aren't thinkingbif the SP. Both parties should put a hit of onus on themselves. If and when either is clearly bettayed, they have every right to voice that. Sp should also be able to respond to those claims.
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This makes no sense. There is a verbal contract in place. One hour is meant to be one hour. If things get cut five minutes short that's understandable. One cannot reallt nitpick on that. On the other hand, I cannot picture 10mins removed being anything but malicious, callous, and a clear break of the "fantasy" many embrace. You demand the client simply pay more ro extend. What if they don't have anymore? What if they meticulous planned for a trip? What if ? You act like your solution is THE SOLUTION and don't think of the john's situation or anything else. Similarly, the guys who are staying over, like it's expect because they couldn't blow their load aren't thinkingbif the SP. Both parties should put a hit of onus on themselves. If and when either is clearly bettayed, they have every right to voice that. Sp should also be able to respond to those claims.
In my experience, I noticed no matter how nice a girl was (this is not about her services. It is regarding her attitude, smile, friendliness,etc.). it lacked something. It just did not feel real. It felt like she had to do it because I was a client. The smile was just not real. Friendly attitude just seemed unreal. It kind of bothered me. Best of luck to you. Enjoy yourself and have fun doing what you like. I will not be posting any reviews.
I could not agree more. Hence, it is the reason I decided not see escorts ever again.
It may be true. I was never in need of an internet survival instinct because this is the only forum where I have ever posted anything.
OD, this is mostly an issue with agencies offering incall and the SP cannot respond to those claims on MERB (not allowed) although the agency can. As has already been mentioned, it is totally foreseeable that a girl needs 10 minutes not only to shower but to clean the last guy's cum out of the bedsheets and change linens, unless of course you don't want her doing that and would prefer to feel the moist, lukewarm squish of the last client's cum on the bottom of your ass. You seem to forget that verbal contracts when enforced acknowledge the realities and necessities of performing the contract which include cleaning time of the room and the SP's body. And when the incall SPs are pressured with the clock watcher reviews and do not clean and end up with a cum squish because sheets were not changed, they are criticized for lack of cleanliness. It's a no win situation for them. So if I am a Judge in the MERB Hobbyists Disputes Court I enforce that as part of a verbal contract because it is foreseeable by anyone with a half of a brain, and I presume all parties have at least the necessary one half. All contracts have built into them the reasonable expectations of the parties in performing the contract- that means both sides.
I do recall an incall review in which a client complained he had stepped into a puddle of cum on the carpet. Maybe the girl missed it, or maybe she was rushed by pressure from negative clock watcher reviews.
It's for these reasons I do outcall, but I allow 5 minutes shower time and frankly I usually book 1.5 hours and have no problems.
This is exactly the point of this thread. Complaining about the last 10 mins. Really?
It has NOTHING to do with the service. Her 50 mins could have been the best in your life. But because of that 10 mins she loses marks?
In another thread a girl loses points because she is too far away from the reviewer?
Or she did not do the swirl technique with her tongue. Or her shower was too long. Or she did not do cim although she did it to the previous reviewer (ymmv) In all cases. I think the Johns attitude created the issue for lost points.
If the review is honest then it is not unjustified. Sure there are clients that are hard to please, but there are also providers that have attitudes or may be having a bad day.
I agree strongly with this point, especially on the so called “clock watcher” reviews. As Julia Sky noted they are often more a statement about the reviewer than the girl being reviewed. A number of times I have read such reviews and said to myself, “dude is an asshole and a cheapass. I feel sorry for that girl.” It all depends on the review but sometimes you see that this is really the only negative point being made, and the above conclusion becomes inescapable.
OnlyDoggy’s post is absolutely incorrect because he only is counting the 50 minutes she spent with him and not the 10 minutes she spent cleaning and showering after the last client so that she is presentable and the room is presentable. That’s 1 hour of time spent on servicing OD, 10 minutes of which is prep time, so he is getting exactly what he paid for. If he wants more time, he can book more time. It’s that simple. Just don’t bring these faux analyses that fail to account for the realities of the incall business.
Also, when you book outcall you pay $20 for driver time and gas. Can OD say this is not a cost of the agency that is part of the verbal contract? Of course not. It is just as much a cost as the incall time cost of cleaning prep which is built in to the verbal fee agreement.
I think most guys fantasy here are that for an instant they want to believe they are as good lovers as they think they are and as a good sp makes them believe
And the unjustified review comes after when she didint do that thing you wanted even though “you are the best she ever had”
@EB, you are wrong, there is always 15 mins between calls for SP to clean and prepare. He pays 1h and should get full 1h for himself. I don't understand why you try to convince him to book more time. Many hobby guys needs only 15 mins or 30 mins. So stealing 10-15 mins is not something neglectable.
I understand many of you here give positive reviews, but if I compare some reviews you describe and what I experience with, I can tell you many times I wish I could book only 15 or 30 mins so that I could run away sooner. I am among people who do serious hobby and really need negative reviews. No negative reviews are bad.
So far I have never had an issue with time. I usually book 90 minutes because I actually enjoy talking, sharing a glass of wine, and getting to know more about them. They are so interesting and fun to be with.
it is mostly repeat sessions and I am the one that always has to say now it is really time that I have to go.
All of the ladies have been so generous with their time, and their talents, if you treat them well they want you back and they are more than smart enough to understand that rushing someone out the door before their time is up is not going to achieve that.
it is mostly repeat sessions and I am the one that always has to say now it is really time that I have to go.
All of the ladies have been so generous with their time, and their talents, if you treat them well they want you back and they are more than smart enough to understand that rushing someone out the door before their time is up is not going to achieve that.
GMA, well explained. Fair enough. This is how it should be done anyways. But henri007’s comment definitely sounds like he thinks dress up/shower time is *after* the 60mins has passed and this is just wrong. I can’t even begin to count the amount of times clients come in with the mindset that they pay only for the sex and that they should get 60mins of sex for 60mins they paid and they still want that extra time before AND after to shower. I even had a guy insist 3x on text that I wasn’t going to be a clock watcher, yet he came in, checked the clock (say it was 11:30), said "ok so it’s 11:30 now, I will go shower so we start the clock at 11:40"... Then proceeded to check the clock every 10mins to monitor when he was going to *allow* himself to cum (1min before the end) then insisted on another shower.... Soooo many people are simply disrespectful of our time and we have to keep our mouths shut about it otherwise we get bad reviews...
Julia,
Morons will never learn, you don’t start a session like that if you want to enjoy yourself.
Having said that, I find that a lot of girls are putting way too much emphasis on time ( It is a constant theme on Twitter)
I understand agency girls a little more as they are sometimes on a tight schedule and have a booker in the background keeping track of their time.
Indys however are a different story they have the option of setting their own schedule and should leave ample time in between clients.
Time is something they have going for them, which is better making sure that a client leaves on the dot and then getting back on Twitter and bitching about entitled clients for the next 2 hours or being laid back and making sure that clients feels like they actually did have a GFE experience and I am not talking about 15 -30 minutes of extra time just simply creating a relaxed atmosphere.
Now obviously I know first hand that you are not like that with clients that treat you right, but there are a lot of SP that could learn from you on how to keep repeat clients, and yes there are many clients that bring on being rushed out the door by their own stupidity and behaviour.
Morons will never learn, you don’t start a session like that if you want to enjoy yourself.
Having said that, I find that a lot of girls are putting way too much emphasis on time ( It is a constant theme on Twitter)
I understand agency girls a little more as they are sometimes on a tight schedule and have a booker in the background keeping track of their time.
Indys however are a different story they have the option of setting their own schedule and should leave ample time in between clients.
Time is something they have going for them, which is better making sure that a client leaves on the dot and then getting back on Twitter and bitching about entitled clients for the next 2 hours or being laid back and making sure that clients feels like they actually did have a GFE experience and I am not talking about 15 -30 minutes of extra time just simply creating a relaxed atmosphere.
Now obviously I know first hand that you are not like that with clients that treat you right, but there are a lot of SP that could learn from you on how to keep repeat clients, and yes there are many clients that bring on being rushed out the door by their own stupidity and behaviour.
The post of Julia Sky above is correct and the post of henri007 is wrong. Again and again we see these attitudes reflected in bad reviews and the reason why the guy didn’t get good service is because of his attitude. Julia’s response to the henri007 post demonstrates this very clearly. The correct remedy is to book 90 minutes like Fradi or be more efficient with your time. Extra time should not be needed if you can take care of your business in an efficient manner. I book 90 minutes because like Fradi I like the intro chit chat as a means to heighten mood and chemistry. I can be efficient when I want to be and occasionally will do an hour but usually not.
It’s either poor efficiency or poor attitude that we are seeing in some of the “clock watcher” reviews, but neither is acceptable as a basis for a bad review.
I again cite the Canadian rock band BTO which sang about the importance of “Taking Care of Business.” Henri and some other need to adopt the song as a mantra:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NCIUf8eYPqA
It’s either poor efficiency or poor attitude that we are seeing in some of the “clock watcher” reviews, but neither is acceptable as a basis for a bad review.
I again cite the Canadian rock band BTO which sang about the importance of “Taking Care of Business.” Henri and some other need to adopt the song as a mantra:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NCIUf8eYPqA
I think time is always a give and take not to be abused on either side and is probably the best tool an SP has to have satisfied repeat clients.
This is why I see Indys.
As I have said I usually book 90 minutes not because I need that much time, 60 on a good day is enough.
I do this because I enjoy the conversations I have, the bottle of wine and the pastries or chocolates or both.
I never arrive empty handed, kind of a European thing of mine and I treat every lady I see as if I am on a real date with them.
I have never had issues with time with any, with my ATF I am the one that usually breaks it off as she calls it I am holding you hostage and you are not leaving until we finish this wine or conversation or whatever, with her it is more like a real friendship as well and we talk often about many things.
Now is she playing me like a cheap fiddle, I don’t think so, but if that is the case, hell I will buy her another bow so she can keep on playing, the music is that good.
If an SP is not smart enough to realize that I am spending more time with her than I really need and paying for it , by reminding me 10-15 minutes before my time. I am well aware of the time, I have a watch and I will not overstay unless she insists, I will thank her politely leave on time, or 10 minutes before, but I will never see her again.
I am not looking for more time than I pay for, but as I have stated before I don’t look for a session where I am made to feel like another faceless , nameless client, and in return I will try my best to make her feel just as wanted and comfortable.
This is why I see Indys.
As I have said I usually book 90 minutes not because I need that much time, 60 on a good day is enough.
I do this because I enjoy the conversations I have, the bottle of wine and the pastries or chocolates or both.
I never arrive empty handed, kind of a European thing of mine and I treat every lady I see as if I am on a real date with them.
I have never had issues with time with any, with my ATF I am the one that usually breaks it off as she calls it I am holding you hostage and you are not leaving until we finish this wine or conversation or whatever, with her it is more like a real friendship as well and we talk often about many things.
Now is she playing me like a cheap fiddle, I don’t think so, but if that is the case, hell I will buy her another bow so she can keep on playing, the music is that good.
If an SP is not smart enough to realize that I am spending more time with her than I really need and paying for it , by reminding me 10-15 minutes before my time. I am well aware of the time, I have a watch and I will not overstay unless she insists, I will thank her politely leave on time, or 10 minutes before, but I will never see her again.
I am not looking for more time than I pay for, but as I have stated before I don’t look for a session where I am made to feel like another faceless , nameless client, and in return I will try my best to make her feel just as wanted and comfortable.
for me too 60 minutes is 60 minutes spent in the room. i usually spend the first few minutes for a quick introduction and then showering, then join the girl for the fun part. if time allows at the end, another quick shower before leaving and goodbyes. for me that's more than enough time to get things done and leave happy from a session
220 and up to 250 which is the going rate with the most popular agencies, is not a small amount for most people nowadays, so there's nothing wrong with wanting to make the best of it. it's not being a cheapass
if one can take advantage of favourable exchange rates to book girls for longer sessions as they want, great for them, but it's not a reason to knock on others who do things differently, and yet still respect the girls' time and income
Exactly. I always try to be nice with the girls by giving gift and tips. When a girl reminds me about time, it sounds like she does not really want to be with me anymore; hum, I might feel rejected at that time. Maybe it is just a personal feeling (because I am not as nice-looking as some guys here maybe).
No I won't repeat in this case.
I dont know about independants but for agency girls , the agency itself has asked that we do 50 mins and then let the client shower dress up for the last 10 mins. I was getting complaints from booker because i was doing 60 mins. It isnt even coming from US its just how it should be. Its so annoying when clients think they are getting 1 hour of SEX and try to cum in that one last minute. It totally changes the sp’s attitude . (Well it sure changes mine because im slow at getting ready and 15 mins is already tight for me) if you want a FULL hour of sex, you book 90 minutes . Shower at begining and end is at least 10 mins out of an hour and please lets be real , y’all take more than 5 mins at the end to shower and get dressed . Not even counting the time you take in the bed watching the beautiful wall while catching your breath after cuming. I’ve never been a clock watcher but a lot of clients are clock watchers themselves .
Amanda,
I am really surprised at this kind of attitude.
I agree that a client should not abuse time but he should get the full hour (that includes his shower and everything ) if he pays for an hour and arrives at 1 then he should be out the door at 2) whether he uses that time for sex or to have a hopefully pleasant conversation with you.
This is the exact reason I don’t book agency girls, I don’t want to feel like I am just one more on a production line.
I don’t mind paying the additional cost, this just proves it is well worth it.
I am really surprised at this kind of attitude.
I agree that a client should not abuse time but he should get the full hour (that includes his shower and everything ) if he pays for an hour and arrives at 1 then he should be out the door at 2) whether he uses that time for sex or to have a hopefully pleasant conversation with you.
This is the exact reason I don’t book agency girls, I don’t want to feel like I am just one more on a production line.
I don’t mind paying the additional cost, this just proves it is well worth it.
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