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Maybe you're their good luck charm! :D

I'm now 4 on 6

I was yesterday night at the Figure Skating Ice Dance Final

And this afternoon at the Women Ski Cross Final

My only event for tomorrow is Women Acrobatic Skiing Aerials Final and no canadians are qualified

But the day after, I have a ticket for the Women Hockey Gold match, so good chance to see my fifth canadian gold at the games.
 

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More gold in the Bobsleigh for Canada's fine ladies! This brings Canada into a three way tie with the US and Germany for the most gold medals. When you consider that we have excellent chances for gold in men's and women's curling and hockey, Canada could actually end up the winner of the 2010 Olympic Games!

Go Canada!!!
 

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More gold in the Bobsleigh for Canada's fine ladies! This brings Canada into a three way tie with the US and Germany for the most gold medals. When you consider that we have excellent chances for gold in men's and women's curling and hockey, Canada could actually end up the winner of the 2010 Olympic Games!

Go Canada!!!


Hello Techman,

Every official standing has always based "the winner" of the Olympics on total medals. But it is logical if anyone wants to argue gold has more value than silver or bronze. If I were to set the measure it would be gold-3 points, silver-2 points, bronze-1 point. Isn't that fair? But I don't get to do the official assessments. :)

Surely, if the hockey team doesn't win gold it's unfortunate Canadians will devalue everything else. It would be a national catastrophe to lose to the U.S. twice...or lose the gold to anyone...with the way Canadians seem to see it. Somehow I get the feeling Canadians give 10 points for hockey and 10 for everything else combined...and that's not right.

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Sorry to disagree...

But the Olympic champion nation is determined by most Gold medals, not total medals. It has always been this way. Sure, newspapers and web articles may list countries by the total medal count, but that makes no difference. The official Olympic Champion is the one with the most wins, not the highest total of first, second and third place finishes. During the medal presentations, only one athlete is announced as the Olympic Champion, and that's the one with the gold medal.
 

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But the Olympic champion nation is determined by most Gold medals, not total medals. It has always been this way. Sure, newspapers and web articles may list countries by the total medal count, but that makes no difference. The official Olympic Champion is the one with the most wins, not the highest total of first, second and third place finishes. During the medal presentations, only one athlete is announced as the Olympic Champion, and that's the one with the gold medal.

How do you explain this then Tech?

Canada concedes Olympic medals race to U.S.



VANCOUVER, British Columbia (AP) -- Canada has raised the white flag in the face of a U.S. juggernaut, conceding that it won’t achieve its bold ambition of finishing atop the medals table at the Vancouver Olympics.



“We are going to be short of our goal,” said Chris Rudge, CEO of the Canadian Olympic Committee, at the news briefing Monday — the start of the games’ final week.


Through most of the day’s competition, Canada was tied for fifth in the medal standings with nine, far behind the United States with 24.


Canada spent $117 million over the past five years — a mix of government and private funding — on its Own The Podium program, a plan to win the medals race by earmarking extra financial support for contending athletes.
“We’d be living in a fool’s paradise if we said we were going to catch the Americans and win,” Rudge said. “They are way out ahead at this point.”
Sunday turned out to be a particularly disappointing day for the Canadians — with two speedskaters in the women’s 1,500-meters and one finalist in the men’s ski-cross missing medal opportunities that seemed to be within their grasp.


“It was a potential multiple-medal day where we didn’t get multiple medals,” Rudge said. “We’ve had a number of those and those are disappointing.”
To compound the dismay, the men’s hockey team lost a first-round, non-elimination game to the United States on Sunday evening in what the Canadian broadcast consortium said was the most watched sports event in national history.


The defeat, seen by an estimated 10.6 million Canadians, raised the possibility that the star-studded home team might need to beat powerful Russia merely to advance past the quarterfinals. Many Canadians — with hockey their No. 1 passion — feel anything less than a gold medal for the men will be a devastating setback for the nation that invented the sport.
Canadian fans “were crying out for a sliver, any sliver, of good news on the weekend when we’ve essentially Blown The Podium,” wrote Vancouver Sun columnist Cam Cole. “The hockey team couldn’t produce it.”


Another big disappointment has been the Alpine skiing team, which got more Own The Podium money during the past four years than any other sport, but thus far has produced no medals on the familiar slopes at Whistler.


“It’s a little frustrating,” Alpine Canada president Gary Allan told reporters. “Dealing with the hometown pressure did have an impact on the performances of the athletes.”
Rudge declined to predict what Canada’s final medal total would be. Four years ago in Turin, after a slow start, the Canadians finished with their best-ever Winter Games total of 24 medals, good for third place after Germany and the U.S.


The brash prediction of a first-place finish in these games was greeted with mixed reactions by Canadians. Some were pleased by the uncharacteristic assertion of confidence, while others felt it smacked of arrogance and would increase pressure on the home-team athletes.


Renee Smith-Valade, a spokeswoman for the Vancouver Organizing Committee, defended the pre-games buildup as a successful means of maximizing fan enthusiasm — and said there would have been intense pressure on the athletes regardless of any medal prediction.
“Own the Podium was designed to help them handle that pressure,” she said Monday. “All we as the organizing committee wanted to do was make sure that when each athlete stood at the starting line, they believed fully that everything had been done. That’s all we could do.


“When the moment comes, it’s really up to the athlete,” she added. “When they don’t deliver, they feel terribly bad about it. We know how hard they try.”
Mike English, chief of sports performance for the U.S. Olympic Committee, said the Americans didn’t use Own The Podium as motivational fuel.


“We didn’t take that as a threat,” he said. “It’s something that every host nation prepares for. We certainly have done it with our own games that we hosted in the U.S.”
 

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While it is true that country rankings in the Olympics are based on the number of gold medals and that Canada has a good chance of finishing 1st, the goal has always been to "Own the podium", i.e. to win the overall medal count. Obviously, that's not going to happen. I think we'll end up with approximately the same number of medals as in Turin (24), well short of the 30-32 prediction.

That said, although it makes for good tv, people are a tad too obsessed with medals. Only looking at medals is not a good indicator of success/failure. In terms of evaluation, the number of top 8 results is a far better indicator of performance/progression. And in that regard, we're way ahead of the results in Turin.
 

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In terms of evaluation, the number of top 8 results is a far better indicator of performance/progression...
who ever remembers #'s 4 thru 8 in anything... A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G?
 

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But the Olympic champion nation is determined by most Gold medals, not total medals...
i don't agree or disagree. however, please cite a source for this fact so we can duly examine the counterpoints of this issue.
 

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who ever remembers #'s 4 thru 8 in anything... A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G?

What the general public remembers is irrelevant to the evaluation of general performance. For example, having two stud athletes winning 4 gold medals each is hardly representative of overall team/country performance.
 

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i don't agree or disagree. however, please cite a source for this fact so we can duly examine the counterpoints of this issue.

While there is no "official" ranking system, the IOC has always used "gold first" as a convention in their medal table/results.

The Olympic medal table is a method of sorting the medal placements of countries in the modern day Olympics.[1] Officially, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) does not recognize a ranking of participating countries at the Olympic Games.[2] Nevertheless, the IOC does publish medal tables for informational purposes, showing the total number of medals earned by athletes representing each country's respective National Olympic Committee.[3][4] The convention used by the IOC is to sort by the number of gold medals the athletes from a country have earned. In the event of a tie in the number of gold medals, the number of silver medals is taken into consideration, and then the number of bronze medals. If two countries have an equal number of gold, silver, and bronze medals, they are ordered in the table alphabetically by their IOC country code.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_medal_table
 

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What the general public remembers is irrelevant to the evaluation of general performance.
depends on your point of view; the athlete's or the public's. obviously the majority of the public doesn't care about evaluation. they want to see a 1st/2nd/3rd place at this very moment. neither point of view is more important than the other and this issue will never be resolved.
 

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depends on your point of view; the athlete's or the public's. obviously the majority of the public doesn't care about evaluation. they want to see a 1st/2nd/3rd place at this very moment. neither point of view is more important than the other and this issue will never be resolved.

Since the general public has no bearing on funding/training/coaching of athletes, I'd say that one point of view is definitely more important than the other. :)
 

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The USA has 8 gold medals and Canada has 7 so I don't even know what you guys are talking about. There are still gold medals to be won. I think Team USA is going to win overall medal count and gold medals. It will be the USA that "owns the podium."
 

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The only medal that matters is gold. Silver only means 'first loser', bronze is 'second loser'. You can make the Stanley Cup finals for 10 years in a row but if you don't win a series, you will never be the Stanley Cup Champion or get your name on the cup.

That being said, each and every athlete that is competing in the games has every reason to be proud and to be admired. They are the best in the world, win or lose. As long as they compete fairly and give it their all, they can stand proud and we should admire them for representing their countries with honour.

Except for that Spam King mogul skier, Dale Begg-Smith, competing for Oz. He's scum and doesn't deserve anyone's admiration.
 
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of course USA will win in overall medals, thats almost a given at most olympics considering how much money is pumped into the USA Olympic training, equipment, etc etc etc.. , BUT for a country with 1/10th the population, i think Canada has done overall as good as any country considering their resources compared to other countries, but if it were based on just population, China would be winning everything, but in the overall realm of things, Canada has done EXTREMELY well at the Vancouver Games, their best ever possibly when all is said and done

The USA has 8 gold medals and Canada has 7 so I don't even know what you guys are talking about. There are still gold medals to be won. I think Team USA is going to win overall medal count and gold medals. It will be the USA that "owns the podium."
 

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of course USA will win in overall medals, thats almost a given at most olympics considering how much money is pumped into the USA Olympic training, equipment, etc etc etc.. , BUT for a country with 1/10th the population, i think Canada has done overall as good as any country considering their resources compared to other countries, but if it were based on just population, China would be winning everything, but in the overall realm of things, Canada has done EXTREMELY well at the Vancouver Games, their best ever possibly when all is said and done

The overall medal count is still very close and it's no guarantee the US will come out on top, and do you know when the last time USA won the overall medal count at a Winter Olympic Games?

















1932!!!! Summer games are much different.
 

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really? no kidding, must be the usa media always sounding like they are always tops.... good to know , thanks SK
 

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Congrats to the Canadian Woman's Hockey team on their Gold Medal!!!

 
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of course USA will win in overall medals, thats almost a given at most olympics considering how much money is pumped into the USA Olympic training, equipment, etc etc etc.. , BUT for a country with 1/10th the population, i think Canada has done overall as good as any country considering their resources compared to other countries, but if it were based on just population, China would be winning everything, but in the overall realm of things, Canada has done EXTREMELY well at the Vancouver Games, their best ever possibly when all is said and done

Holly crap Iggy,

Wow, no fucktard comment in sight and I totally agree. If you ever wrote like this before my comment to Jman I would owe him a weekend with Lily-Rose...lol. But then based on population the Norwegians are phenomenal with less than 4.8 million people since Canada has 33 million and has just as much winter skill developing opportunity.

The only medal that matters is gold. Silver only means 'first loser', bronze is 'second loser'. You can make the Stanley Cup finals for 10 years in a row but if you don't win a series, you will never be the Stanley Cup Champion or get your name on the cup.

That being said, each and every athlete that is competing in the games has every reason to be proud and to be admired. They are the best in the world, win or lose. As long as they compete fairly and give it their all, they can stand proud and we should admire them for representing their countries with honour.

Except for that Spam King snowboarder competing for Oz. He's scum and doesn't deserve anyone's admiration.

The loser statement is quite unworthy if you aren't kidding; and how anyone can reconcile calling anyone "loser" then say they should be proud is confounding.

In any case, whether it's golds or totals that get priority it's not over, and it will still be a numbers preference game when it is.

Cheers,

Merlot
 
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Holly crap Iggy,

Wow, no fucktard comment in sight and I totally agree. If you ever wrote like this before my comment to Jman I would owe him a weekend with Lily-Rose...lol. But then based on population the Norwegians are phenomenal with less than 4.8 million people since Canada has 33 million and has just as much winter skill developing opportunity.

Cheers,

Merlot

Iggy,

Congrats on your moment....;)


Hello M,

I'm still lookin'...it takes some time to sort through 1,500 Iggyisms...LOL:rolleyes::D

J

PS The SMILEYS here still SUCK!
 
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