Weapons in USA

[Fradi]

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So which is it number of lunatics or the fact that 50 % of all guns in the hands of private citizens in the world are in the US.
Now if you add all murders and mass shootings committed with firearms the stats would be much worse for the US.
Strange when all this is staring them in the face they come up with all kinds of excuses including snowmobiles, and Rambo movies lol.
Never saw a country or people so fixated and so enamoured with firearms regardless of the cost in human lives including children.

 

[Bbw hunter]

Interesting. In the last few decades there have been cases of murder caused by people deliberately ramming their vehicles into crowds or individuals. It's happened in Europe and Israel. Sometimes it's terrorism, sometimes not. Closer to home it's happened recently in Toronto and Wisconsin. In 2014 it happened in St. Jean sur Richelieu.
So are we supposed to ban cars and trucks in response to these attacks?

 

[Fradi]

Interesting. In the last few decades there have been cases of murder caused by people deliberately ramming their vehicles into crowds or individuals. It's happened frequently in Europe. Sometimes it's terrorism, sometimes not. Closer to home it's happened recently in Toronto and Wisconsin. In 2014 it happened in St. Jean sur Richelieu.
So are we supposed to ban cars and trucks in response to these attacks?

Here we go again with cars, yes it has happened probably under 100 times throughout the world, are you seriously trying to compare that even to the number of people killed by a gun in just 1 hour in the US on a daily basis.
Guns are designed for one purpose to kill, cars are not.
Mass murderers will always choose an assault rifle first if it is readily available, they are not trained killers like terrorists, they don’t take classes for flying planes or how to make bombs. They don’t have an organization behind them. They almost always act alone according to their deranged mind and an assault rifle is the perfect and most easily available thing to achieve that.

 

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[Bbw hunter]

Here we go again with cars, yes it has happened probably under 100 times throughout the world, are you seriously trying to compare that even to the number of people killed by a gun in just 1 hour in the US on a daily basis.
Guns are designed for one purpose to kill, cars are not.
Mass murderers will always choose an assault rifle first if it is readily available, they are not trained killers like terrorists, they don’t take classes for flying planes or how to make bombs. They don’t have an organization behind them. They almost always act alone according to their deranged mind and an assault rifle is the perfect and most easily available thing to achieve that.

Yes guns are for killing, or to deter someone from harming you.
Biden is in favor of banning guns. Should the Secret Service that protects him be stripped of the guns they use to protect him?

I somehow doubt he would be in favor of this.

 

[Fradi]

Yes guns are for killing, or to deter someone from harming you.
Biden is in favor of banning guns. Should the Secret Service that protects him be stripped of the guns they use to protect him?

I somehow doubt he would be in favor of this.

Guns in the hands of trained police officers or body guards for the President is not exactly the problem is it.
It is the millions of guns in everybody's hands and the fact that an 18 year old can buy an assault rifle easier than a can of beer.
The other problem is these kind of arguments and excuses, when will they face reality and realize they are the only country in the world with this kind of tragic killing of innocent children and people before they stop with the excuses and do something meaningful with gun control especially of assault weapons, yearly mental health checks of gun owners and potential owners and banning all assault weapons outright.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Liberal logic.

 

[Bbw hunter]

Liberal logic.

Saw this meme last week...LMAO!

 

[Bbw hunter]

OnGuns in the hands of trained police officers or body guards for the President is not exactly the problem is it.
It is the millions of guns in everybody's hands and the fact that an 18 year old can buy an assault rifle easier than a can of beer.
The other problem is these kind of arguments and excuses, when will they face reality and realize they are the only country in the world with this kind of tragic killing of innocent children and people before they stop with the excuses and do something meaningful with gun control especially of assault weapons, yearly mental health checks of gun owners and potential owners and banning all assault weapons outright.

Guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.
BTW it's also interesting how the same liberals/leftists who call for banning guns are the same folks who want to defund the police, limit the power of police to prevent crimes before they happen, charge home and business owners with murder when they kill an intruder who tries to rob them, charge police with murder when they defend themselves against suspects looking to harm them, and are against longer prison sentences for criminals and against the death penalty. The only time they appear to be "tough on crime" is when they want to confiscate weapons from citizens who probably won't vote for them.
Interesting coincidence, eh?

 

[Fradi]

Guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.
BTW it's also interesting how the same liberals/leftists who call for banning guns are the same folks who want to defund the police, limit the power of police to prevent crimes before they happen, charge home and business owners with murder when they kill an intruder who tries to rob them, charge police with murder when they defend themselves against suspects looking to harm them, and are against longer prison sentences for criminals and against the death penalty. The only time they appear to be "tough on crime" is when they want to confiscate weapons from citizens who probably won't vote for them.
Interesting coincidence, eh?

I guess so, we will have to disagree on this one.
At least you can’t accuse me of being a liberal leftist lol.
Btw I don’t want to defund the police or am I an advocate of being soft on crime and I am not against the death penalty either for murderers.
I will also go along with having a hand gun at home to protect yourself seeing as every criminal has one also and I would not charge anyone if they shot someone who brakes into their home.
What I am advocating is a total ban on assault weapons, there is no logical reason for any “law abiding citizen “ to have one, and I would also want a complete criminal background check and a yearly medical mental health check for all gun owners current and potential, and a minimum age restriction of at least 21 to own a gun.
Will not solve all the problems or maybe even most but it is far better than prayers, hope and sending condolences

 

[Bbw hunter]

I guess so, we will have to disagree on this one.
At least you can’t accuse me of being a liberal leftist lol.
Btw I don’t want to defund the police or am I an advocate of being soft on crime and I am not against the death penalty either for murderers.
I will also go along with having a hand gun at home to protect yourself seeing as every criminal has one also and I would not charge anyone if they shot someone who brakes into their home.
What I am advocating is a total ban on assault weapons, there is no logical reason for any “law abiding citizen “ to have one, and I would also want a complete criminal background check and a yearly medical mental health check for all gun owners current and potential, and a minimum age restriction of at least 21 to own a gun.
Will not solve all the problems or maybe even most but it is far better than prayers, hope and sending condolences

Fair enough.
Yet I still think it's the killers who are responsible for killing, not the weapons they use.

 

[Fradi]

Yet I still think it's the killers who are responsible for killing, not the weapons they use.

That is something we can totally agree on.
My point is simply don’t make it so easy for them to be able to kill 20-30 or 100 people in minutes with easy access to an assault rifle.

 

[Bbw hunter]

That is something we can totally agree on.
My point is simply don’t make it so easy for them to be able to kill 20-30 or 100 people in minutes with easy access to an assault rifle.

On that note we can end this running debate. I hate arguing and if this had gone on much longer I would have thought: "shoot me now".

 

[Fradi]

I agree with Fradi on this one except I would raise the age above 21 with the exception of basic hunting rifles, but strike out the mental health check. Like age 30 unless proof of home ownership can be demonstrated. I will never forgive Oprah for introducing us to Dr. Phil and the never-ending world of psychobabble. That article I linked to scared the shit out of me that had the recommendation of flooding schools with psychologists. A wise man once told me that most people who study psychiatry have something wrong with them and major in that subject to try and figure out what is wrong with them.

I am not a fan of Dr. Phil either, self centred know it all asshole, obnoxious as hell, but hey he made millions being that so he can’t be all that stupid.
I was thinking more along the lines of a yearly background check whether or not there were any incidents with police, hospitalization that would show mental issues, not necessarily with a shrink as I agree with you in my view a lot of them need shrinks of their own. I shouldn’t have said medical report.
I don’t see the reasoning of homeownership many spoiled rich kids that are complete lunatics may have homes, would a mobile home be considered as home ownership lol, the age 30 yes.

 

[Bbw hunter]

The stats do not lie. Mass shootings is almost always an emotional mental problem and I consider this as a suicide attempt. As per the stats suicide and gangs is the top cause for gun violence. The Liberal narrative is false. America does not have a gun problem, they have a gang and emotional health problem.

....And when Trump made the same point that the USA has a serious gang problem the Left denounced him as a racist.
Every single day criminals in gangs shoot each other in Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia, LA etc...and the Left does not say a word. When some white guy goes nuts and shoots people they lose their minds and scream that the US needs to overturn the 2nd Amendment.
Selective outrage at its finest. When a shooting serves their purpose they scream like banshees and when it doesn't...
Nothing to see here, folks. The Liberal media is very selective about which shootings you get to hear about.

 

[CLOUD 500]

....And when Trump made the same point that the USA has a serious gang problem the Left denounced him as a racist.
Every single day criminals in gangs shoot each other in Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia, LA etc...and the Left does not say a word. When some white guy goes nuts and shoots people they lose their minds and scream that the US needs to overturn the 2nd Amendment.
Selective outrage at its finest. When a shooting serves their purpose they scream like banshees and when it doesn't...
Nothing to see here, folks. The Liberal media is very selective about which shootings you get to hear about.

As we have seen the Liberals/Left use identity politics and wokeness to manipulate the masses to further their agenda. Unfortunately it works.

 

[Fradi]

The thing is America does have a gun problem and they have a gang problem and poverty problem, worst of all they have a divided country and politicians that do not work for the people but for their own power and $$$. They have brought this on with decades of easy access to millions of guns, media that hypes everything and is owned by one or the other political party. Social media that is full of hate and violence. Should I include Rambo movies lol.
They cannot agree on anything, those children or even the ones being killed by gangs are not killed because they are Democrats or Republicans they are killed because of Democrats and Republicans.
Just how long does this carnage have to go on and how many innocent people have to die before these asshole politicians on both sides do the right thing and act on behalf of the safety of Americans.

 

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[gaby]

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