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Cashville, Tenn. for everyone but frugal Yankees
By JOEL SHERMAN

Posted: 1:00 AM, December 6, 2012
NASHVILLE, Tenn. — The Yankees and Mets came to the Winter Meetings and have made news with their third basemen and by bucking the industry trend when it comes to spending bucks.

It would be technically incorrect to say the New York clubs have not reached into their wallets. David Wright received $138 million over eight years — the largest total outlay the Mets ever have given in a contract. The Yankees invested $37 million to bring back Hiroki Kuroda, Andy Pettitte and Mariano Rivera for 2013.

Here we were thinking the Yankee payroll restrictions were about dropping under the $189 million luxury tax threshold in 2014? Well, the vault appears closed for 2013, as well. As of yesterday — while legitimate options to fill in for the injured Alex Rodriguez were coming off the board — the only formal offer the Yankees had made to any position player this offseason was believed to be to reserve outfielder Nate Schierholtz who, in what is becoming a familiar theme this offseason, spurned them to sign with the Cubs for $2.25 million.

Scott Boras, the most powerful agent in the game, revealed, “I just had a meeting with [Yankees’ general manager Brian Cashman] and he just said he is not in on a lot of players that he liked. He would like to be in on more, but right now he is working with ownership to see where he can go.”

Two other agents who had discussed clients with the Yankees in recent days said their perception was a clamp had been placed on spending with the team’s payroll already at $168 million for 2013. This at a time when the Yankees still have major needs in right field, the left side of the infield and catcher, and the options at each spot are dwindling.

One of the agents described Cashman as “frustrated” by being unable to act. Cashman refused comment, breaking the familiar routine of the GM addressing his city’s local media each day of the Winter Meetings. Hal Steinbrenner did not respond to an email request for an interview nor a request placed through the Yankees’ media relations department.

So there was near organizational silence over this quirk: The Yankees are the talk of these meetings despite being perhaps the most inactive organization here, such is the tectonic shift of identity away from free-spending behemoths. As months go by, this strategy may prove wise considering this is a market in which Jeremy Guthrie and Randy Choate can get three-year contracts.

Nevertheless, in real time, it’s as if the Yankees are fiddling while their empire crumbles. Their first choice to fill in for A-Rod was a lefty-righty platoon of Eric Chavez and Jeff Keppinger. Yet neither received a Yankees’ offer and yesterday Chavez signed with the Diamondbacks for one year at $3 million while the White Sox inked Keppinger for three years at $12 million. This comes after the Pirates signed Russell Martin away for two years at $17 million and with the growing possibility Raul Ibanez will go elsewhere (the Mariners are front-runners over the Phillies and Rangers).

Not long ago the Yankees would sneeze and $32 million would come out, now they have let three players they wanted walk away for that total. In recent years, Cashman has stressed not doing desperation deals early in the offseason and that patience and diligence would be rewarded with upside opportunities later.

So maybe there are still trades (Jason Kubel for right field perhaps) or signings that will provide solutions. For now, though, the Yankees — of all things — are behaving like the Mets.
 

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I applaud the Steinbrenners, it means they are getting back to the way the Yanks became a dynasty from 96-2000 and will draft better (as they have been doing) and invest wisely, not like the red sox the last few years with crawford and lackie for example. The Yanks will be fine this season, we all know it and those who think otherwise are delusional (as usual) No such word as panic in Yankees Universe.

Now for a band of misfits that play in chow-duh town, peeeee uuuuu , lol, nuf ced
 

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I applaud the Steinbrenners, it means they are getting back to the way the Yanks became a dynasty from 96-2000
Right, like by developing players like Tino Martinez, Roger Clemens, Dwight Gooden, Tim Raines, Darryl Strawberry, Hideki Irabu, Orlando Hernandez, David Wells, Jimmy Key, Kenny Rogers, John Wetteland, Wade Boggs, Chili Davis and David Cone? What? Oh, you mean they didn't develop any of those guys? What? Oh, they were expensive free agents signed to help the Yankees buy championships? Oh, thanks for straightening this out.

Jeez, what delusional bullshit you spout, iggy. If I didn't know better, I might even think you believe this silliness.
 

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Right, like by developing players like Tino Martinez, Roger Clemens, Dwight Gooden, Tim Raines, Darryl Strawberry, Hideki Irabu, Orlando Hernandez, David Wells, Jimmy Key, Kenny Rogers, John Wetteland, Wade Boggs, Chili Davis and David Cone? What? Oh, you mean they didn't develop any of those guys? What? Oh, they were expensive free agents signed to help the Yankees buy championships? Oh, thanks for straightening this out.

Jeez, what delusional bullshit you spout, iggy. If I didn't know better, I might even think you believe this silliness.

Can anyone even name who their starting OF, 3B and C are going to be on the way to this pennant run??? :confused:
Shaping up to be the Yanks of the 60's or the 80's if you ask me. Ahhh yes, the good old days...:thumb:.

Can't wait to hear the crap that gets spewed when the Yankees sign Youkilis (1 yr, $12M...laughable offer), the guy Yankee fans love to hate...lol!:lol:
 

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Can anyone even name who their starting OF, 3B and C are going to be on the way to this pennant run??? :confused:
Shaping up to be the Yanks of the 60's or the 80's if you ask me. Ahhh yes, the good old days...:thumb:.

Can't wait to hear the crap that gets spewed when the Yankees sign Youkilis (1 yr, $12M...laughable offer), the guy Yankee fans love to hate...lol!:lol:

Not me, I have always liked Youk, I certainly love his career .867 OPS and .482 slugging that he brings to the table, I think that he will be a valuable addition, go Youk!!!!
 

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Youk's one of those guys, Freddie Lynn was another, who plays the game so hard that he's burned by the time he turned 33. There might be something left in him, but anybody who signs him will be lucky to get half a season. Smart money (not the kind that Joe has in his wallet) says he goes home to Ohio to play ball with Tito.
 

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Can anyone even name who their starting OF, 3B and C are going to be on the way to this pennant run??? :confused:
Shaping up to be the Yanks of the 60's or the 80's if you ask me. Ahhh yes, the good old days.
Well, looks like the catcher is going to be Cervelli. Third will likely be my Aunt Gertrude. Right field is open...you doing anything, Jman? I heard that Joe.T is going to be the DH.

The Yankees have seen 87 home runs leave the roster and have replaced them with none. Fortunately, their old and very old pitchers have all gotten a year younger.
 

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Well, looks like the catcher is going to be Cervelli. Third will likely be my Aunt Gertrude. Right field is open...you doing anything, Jman? I heard that Joe.T is going to be the DH.

The Yankees have seen 87 home runs leave the roster and have replaced them with none. Fortunately, their old and very old pitchers have all gotten a year younger.

Well Rumples, in as much as I would despise putting on pinstripes...for a 1yr/$3M deal I'd consider playing Right field. Hell my BA couldn't be much lower than the team BA the Yankees turned in for 2012...:rolleyes::lol:.
 

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I was just looking at the Yankee stats for last year. The Yankees hit a very healthy 245 home runs last year. Of those, 104 were hit by players no longer on the team, 18 more were hit by a player likely to miss most of the season. To date, they have replaced exactly none, zero, zip, zilch of those dingers.

When you consider the available talent out there, the MLBTR Top 50 Free Agents, the following are still available, and I'm skipping middle infielders and 1b, since those positions are covered: Michael Bourn, Nick Swisher, Cody Ross, Ryan Ludwick, Kevin Youkilis, and Ichiro Suzuki.

Bourn isn't a power hitter and will be more expensive in a long term contract than the Yankees are willing to go. Same for Swisher. Likely the same for Ross and Ludwick. They have made an offer to Youkilis and are in competition with Cleveland. That could go either way. The Yankee offer is higher for one year; the Tribe offer is higher for two and he'd get to play in his home state for Tito Francona. My guess is that the Indians add a couple of million and he signs with them. Ichiro is a possibility, but there ain't much left in that tank.

They'll likely have to fill C, 3b, RF and DH with minor leaguers.
 

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And thru all your concerns (ROFL) rumps, the Yanks will see postseason while the red sox will watch the paint dry as another coat of the best Sherwin-Williams is applied to an OLD fenway for another season of failure next offseason.... Old, average and overpaid talent like Napoli, Gomes, Vicrorino and DRoss aint gonna get it done, happy to say... you might improve to 71-91 what with nothing done to that horrible starting staff. Maybe it's time to make dAniel Bard a starter, oh wait :confused: nevermind :lol:
 

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Blind confidence!! I love that Iggy! Hahaha. Like saying it's their natural born right to make the post season.
Pretty standard fare from Yankeeland.

Looks like 2013 will be Cano's last year in pinstripes. His agent is Scott Boras and he's made it clear that the Yankees will NOT be getting a hometown discount.

From MLBTR: "He’s not giving them a hometown discount, and they seem to be more interested in keeping their payroll down than winning," said one source while another added: “He knows he’s the best player on the Yankees ... There’s no reason for him not to be paid that way.”

Goes on to say that he wants an ARod contract, which he won't be getting from Brian "Beggars can't be choosers" Shortoncashman. Cano will look pretty good in Dodger blue...and after all he is named after a certain Dodger named Robinson.
 

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"Sey wha" (rofl) Seems all we heard last 2 seasons was about the "best team EVAH" bwhahaahahaha, how'd that work out for ya rumpie? Standard fare indeed, from chow-duh town :lol:

Seems the Yanks are kicking the tires on the Natural now.
Pretty standard fare from Yankeeland.

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rumpleforeskiin

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Seems the Yanks are kicking the tires on the Natural now.
Right, and my latest hit is number 12 with a bullet on Billboard's pop chart.
 

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Greinke a Dodger!

The bOston red socks were just eliminated from the 2013 postseason by "failing" as usual to obtain their only hope at a #1 starting pitcher via free agency as el cheapo benny-boy cherington failed to get the job done. RA Dickey seems to be the last resort for the red sox to be a .500 team in 2013. If all else fails,............................ good! :lol:


http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=411258

Welcome to LA Zack, and to "Awesome, Donny Baseball!" :thumb: ....seems the red sox misery is always followed by a Yankee..... :D
 

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Looks like Iggy's writing from his alternate universe, the one where the Sox showed the slightest interest in Zach Greinke. Back here in the real world, they never had word one with his agent.

Here in the real world, the Yankees have yet to replace the 122 HRs that left the team since their failure of last fall. I wonder who they've signed in Iggy's alternate world. Probably Joe DiMiaggio and Teddy Ballgame.

I hope Greinke and Robbie Cano are buddies. They'll be teammates in LA in 2014.
 

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Bwhahahahaahah, first you have to live in the real world rumpie :lol:............ its 2012 and counting, not the 60's! the rEd sox are on their way to another basement finish while the Empire will battle it out with the Rays, Jays and O's for the crown jewel aka the AL EAST. Seems your stuck in your "alernate world" put the peace pipe down and get a grip on reality, I know it sucks for you as a red socks fan but as soon as you come to grips with the fact you have ZERO #1's and ZERO # 2 starters, it will get easier to realise the smell from that said basement you will dwell in this coming season............. again!

Here in the real world
 

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Congratulations to the New York Yankees, just named the official baseball team of AARP.
 
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