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rumpleforeskiin

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Now the Yankees are hot after 33 year old light hitting Jeff (.733) Keppinger. Unfortunately, he's looking for two years and $8 Mil, which probably eliminates them. LOL

Here's what Don Mattingly thinks of Shane Victorino. “He’s a pain, man. I’m telling you. He’s one of those guys who has high-energy, plays hard every day, he’s a good defender,” Mattingly said from the winter meetings. “I think he struggled with us because I think he tried too hard. I really think when he came over he really was trying to show what he could do. He didn’t need to do that. I like him a lot. If he were to go Boston, they would love him there because he plays hard.”
 

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And here come the insults like clockwork, all because you cant stand the same stuff you dish out on a consistent basis, get over it and more importantly, yourself. :thumb:

Kinda funny you replied this below to a post where it was truly a FACT (oui) that Jonny F'in Gomes defensive game is el stinko. :lol:
Considering the stupid shit that's coming out of your keyboard, you know little about baseball in general.
 

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Interesting tweet from Joel Sherman of the NY Post: " No matter what, #yanks r gonna need 2 replace almost every position xcpt 2b in 2014 .Need to ride out 2013 and wait 4 rebirth."

Grim times indeed in the Bronx. Looks like the "Bombers" (LOL) are out on Marco Scutaro. Too pricey for them.
 

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Yea, he is a nice player for say 8-9million, but not $13mil per lol. If Shane V. and Mike N. get 13mil per, what on earth is Swisher gonna get, 20mil per??? Hamilton, 30mil per???
Here's what Don Mattingly thinks of Shane Victorino. “He’s a pain, man. I’m telling you. He’s one of those guys who has high-energy, plays hard every day, he’s a good defender,” Mattingly said from the winter meetings. “I think he struggled with us because I think he tried too hard. I really think when he came over he really was trying to show what he could do. He didn’t need to do that. I like him a lot. If he were to go Boston, they would love him there because he plays hard.”
 

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NASHVILLE, Tenn. – This was always going to be the problem from the moment the Red Sox pulled the ejection lever on Carl Crawford, Josh Beckett and Adrian Gonzalez last summer.

The Sox were universally praised for moving themselves out from underneath a mountain of bad contracts.

But where were they going to go to fix things in the short term?

The answers have started arriving in earnest this week at the Winter Meetings.

They are going to go to Mike Napoli. And to Shane Victorino. And to Jonny Gomes, whom they signed last month.

Whether they go anywhere other than last place in the AL East remains a legitimate question. Fourth place, maybe.

General manager Ben Cherington is doing what he can here to fix last summer's abysmal 69-93 landslide. But the problem is that Nashville is worse than Oakland in that there's no there there.

Or should that be, there's no there here?

Whatever.

One day after agreeing to give Napoli $39 million over three seasons, the Red Sox agreed with veteran outfielder Shane Victorino on the exact same package.

Say one thing: They're consistent.

But that's $78 million committed to two flawed players,
one the Rangers thought so little of that they didn't even offer a one-year, $13.3 million tender sheet and one that looked every bit like a platoon player in 2012.

Within, oh, 30 seconds of the Victorino news breaking, many executives in the Opryland Cascades lobby thought it was the silliest thing they'd ever heard.

A switch-hitter traded from the Phillies to the Dodgers last summer, Victorino's splits against right-handers in 2012 were .229/.296/.333. Against lefties, he was almost 100 points higher at .323/.388/.518.

Gomes, whom the Red Sox signed for two years, $10 million last month, was a platoon player in Oakland in 2012. Over the course of his 10-year career, Gomes' splits against right-handers are .223/.307/.425. Against lefties, they're .284/.382/512.

One important element all three of have in common is that they're winners: Victorino was instrumental in the Phillies' 2008 World Series title, Napoli helped the Rangers win the AL pennant in 2011 and Gomes helped the Rays to the 2008 AL pennant, the Reds to the 2010 NL Central title and the Athletics to the 2012 AL West title.

But will the 2013 Red Sox be better off with Napoli, Victorino and Gomes than the 2012 Sox were (to start the season) with A-Gone, Beckett, Nick Punto and a disabled Crawford?

They'll smile more in the clubhouse, but you cannot make the case that Boston is better off now.

At 32, Victorino is coming off the kind of season that makes you wonder whether the natural erosion around the edges is beginning to overtake him.

Napoli, though his 1.107 Fenway Park OPS is the best ever for a right-handed Boston opponent, suffered a decline nearly as dramatic as Victorino's in 2012. He hit .227 (down from .320 in '11) with 24 homers (down from 30) and 56 RBI (down from 75). His on-base percentage dipped to .343, from .414.

New Boston manager John Farrell spoke earlier Tuesday about “a definite intent to bring in guys that are proven team guys, guys of high character.”

Intent on changing their culture, this year's Red Sox are on their way to outdistancing their predecessors in the character department, no question.

But remember those great lines from Airplane!? Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop drinking. Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

Looks like the Red Sox picked the wrong year to remodel.

Because they always are measured against the Yankees, and the Yankees are getting old and breaking down. Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Alex Rodriguez, ouch. And now they're operating under a self-imposed salary limit for two years, attempting to lower their luxury tax before the rules change in 2015 and they again start doling out money like a broken ATM machine.

With better planning and some luck, this was the Red Sox's chance to hit the car pool lane and blow past the Yankees.

Instead, they excised all of those contracts last summer only to run into mostly barren shelves this winter (stocked with overly expensive items). And as vulnerable as the Yankees are, you cannot look at this Boston team right now and think it is seizing the opportunity.

Napoli mostly will play first base, maybe he can work behind the plate at times (and maybe even help bring old Angels teammate John Lackey back from the Land of the Dead when he does).

He also has never proven to be very durable. He's played in more than 114 games in a season only once.

“He's a winner,” Rangers manager Ron Washington said. “But he's no longer a Texas Ranger, and I really don't want to get into trying to assist Napoli because he's not here.”

With Jacoby Ellsbury in center field, Victorino will play right field. The Red Sox are thrilled with that because as anybody who remembers Dwight Evans knows, right field in Fenway is huge. It is extremely important that Boston has a skilled defender there, and that's why Cherington essentially was looking for a center field-type to play right.

Maybe these pieces all fit together and develop into one of those the-sum-is-greater-than-the-whole-of-the-parts production.

Maybe the improved character lifts these Sox up to greater heights than anyone would ever expect next summer.

But on a dreary December day in Nashville, in a mostly dreary free-agent market, despite the dollars, there isn't much sizzle in Mudville. Or Boston.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/s...aracter-test-and-still-finish-last-in-al-east
 

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Nightengale: Yankees looking Feeble and Futile

From Today's USA Today:
Please, can someone step up and save the New York Yankees?
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If George Steinbrenner were alive, he'd be mortified watching this mess.
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Who's running this franchise these days, Jeffrey Loria?

In the good ol' days, when the Yankees were beset with an obstacle, Steinbrenner would jump on the phone, demand his front office come up with the greatest player you can buy, and order world be restored.

These days, the Yankees have become a poor man's version of the Kansas City Royals and Pittsburgh Pirates, working the edges of free agency and hoping to fill holes frugally.

BRONX BUMMERS: Yankees boxed in by A-Rod, Jeter injuries

The Yankees announced Monday that third baseman Alex Rodriguez, the highest-paid player in baseball history, would have hip surgery in January to repair a torn labrum and bone impingement. He will be sidelined for four to six months, the team says.

FANTASY: A-Rod's descent into fantasy baseball purgatory

Maybe even longer.
Calin Moucha, associate chief of joint replacement surgery at Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York, told USA TODAY Sports, "My expectation is it takes six to 12 months to come back."
"That's devastating," says former Yankees manager Joe Torre, a vice president with Major League Baseball. "You're a month away from being excited about spring training, and you're going back to rehab again. It's got to be frustrating."

Torre was managing the Yankees when something similar happened to their third baseman. Aaron Boone blew out his knee playing basketball in January 2004. The Yankees responded by trading for Rodriguez and the rest of his 10-year, $250 million contract with the Texas Rangers.
Now, with news that Rodriguez is out at least until June, the Yankees say they'll find a remedy.
Are you ready? They might bring back Eric Chavez, who has missed 647 games over the last six years.
Or Ian Stewart, who was non-tendered by the Chicago Cubs. Or Brandon Inge, released last summer by the Detroit Tigers. Or career backup infielder Jeff Keppinger.

Oh, and they also need a right fielder and catcher to join their 38-year-old shortstop (Derek Jeter) returning from a broken ankle, an ace (CC Sabathia) recovering from elbow surgery and a 43-year-old closer (Mariano Rivera) coming off reconstructive knee surgery.
These are the Yankees?

"I never would have dreamt this would ever happen to the Yankees," said John Kruk, the former slugger who Monday was given the coveted ESPN Sunday Night Baseball analyst job.
The Yankees haven't signed a free agent outside of their organization this winter, bent on getting their payroll under $189 million by 2014 to save a few bucks on their luxury tax.

"We're just not going to overreact," Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said. "It's a significant circumstance. We've dealt with a lot of things over the years, and we'll continue to deal with them as they come.
"No different than we've done in the past."
Well, except that the Yankees used to operate with an open bank vault, and now they're searching under couch cushions for loose change.
The Yankees believe Rodriguez will be fine after surgery. They're fooling themselves.

Rodriguez will never again be the same player. Really, he hasn't been the same player for the last five years — he hasn't played more than 138 games since 2007, and his on-base-plus-slugging percentage has declined every year since — and coming off a second hip surgery at 37, we've seen the last of his greatness.
The great unknown is whether Rodriguez's days of performance-enhancing drug use led to the hip injuries and his dramatic decline.
"There's just no research on that," said Derek Ochiai, an orthopedic hip surgeon in Arlington, Va. "Maybe in an indirect way, just not directly."
Cashman also has no answers, but he acknowledges that Rodriguez has been hit with freak injuries. And the Yankees have been hit with the cruel reality that they might finish with their lowest spot in the division standings since 1992.

"I'm certainly not afraid of this challenge or any challenge that comes our way," Cashman says.

Edward Smith, captain of the Titanic, wasn't afraid of that piece of ice in the Atlantic, either. :eyebrows:


 

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"Cashman on the hunt for a replacement for A-Rod: "There's not a lot out there.""

Translation: "We're fucked," sez Brian Cashdollar, "We're just gonna try to keep the losses under 100."

Another tweet from Marchand:

Andrew Marchand@AndrewMarchand: Yes, Cashman did say, "Beggars can't be choosers."

Translation: "We're fucked," sez Brian Cashdollar, "We're just gonna try to keep the losses under 100."
 

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Cashman on Yanks: 'Beggars can't be choosers'
By RONALD BLUM (AP Sports Writer) | The Associated Press


NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) -- Here's a new one for the New York Yankees.

''Beggars can't be choosers,'' Brian Cashman, general manager of baseball's wealthiest team, said Tuesday.

While the Boston Red Sox have added Mike Napoli and Shane Victorino this week, the Yankees are taking a slow approach and appear focused on getting their payroll below the $189 million luxury tax threshold in 2014.

Dependable catcher Russell Martin already has left New York, right fielder Nick Swisher appears certain to follow and reliever Rafael Soriano also is likely to depart.

''I think sometimes people assume that the New York Yankees are the New York Yankees and there's no budget constraints and there aren't things that we want to stick to,'' manager Joe Girardi said about Martin. ''But there are. So I think that's part of the reason why he wasn't re-signed.''

New York has paid the luxury tax every year since it began in 2003 and the Yankees have been the top-spending team every season from 1999 on. By dropping under the threshold - which includes benefits - in 2014, New York would lower its tax rate in 2015 to 17.5 percent from 50 percent. And the Yankees would become eligible to get some of their revenue-sharing money back in 2014, known as a ''Market Disqualification Refund'' under baseball's new labor contract.

Girardi thinks moves may become even more limited.

''I don't think we'll get a true flavor until next year. When I say next year, I mean 2014,'' he explained, ''and maybe it's July 28th, and you're talking about adding a guy, and it puts you over the cap. I don't think we'll really get a true idea of what it's like until then.''

New York's moves thus far have been a trio of one-year contracts for pitchers nearing the ends of their careers - $10 million for Mariano Rivera, $12 million for Andy Pettitte and $15 million for Hiroki Kuroda. The Yankees are uncertain of right field and catcher, and third base is open for at least the first half of the season because Alex Rodriguez needs surgery on his left hip.

Eric Chavez, Rodriguez's backup, also is a free agent. Cashman said he has talked with the agents for Ichiro Suzuki, Kevin Youkilis and A.J. Pierzynski.
''I'm prepared to drag this thing out,'' he said.

Rodriguez's hip injury, detected during an examination last month, complicates matters.

''When you go into an offseason, you feel you have to address certain areas, and all of a sudden you get a surprise in a sense,'' Girardi said. ''It's a pretty big hole to fill. It may not necessarily be with one person. We're not sure exactly how we're going to do it. We'll let things play out here. It's not what we were expecting.''

A-Rod was pinch hit for and benched during a dismal postseason. The Yankees say now the injury likely caused the production decline.

''He wasn't the Alex we saw before the injury, and now we have a reason possibly why,'' Girardi said. ''He kept trying to play and kept trying to be productive for us. Obviously, he wasn't even sure what was going on. But he knew that his hips weren't working the way he was accustomed to them working.''

New York hopes to sign Chavez or another player who can fill in. Finding that player isn't easy.

''There's not a lot of choices out there,'' Cashman said. ''It's a very limited sandbox to play in.''

Really, I'm not making this up. Here's the link. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/cashman-yanks-beggars-cant-choosers-020910546--mlb.html
 

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Why would Cashman be worried? He has one of the best starting 6 staffs in the AL and Pineda should be ready by May or June (thats HUGE), a strong bullpen and the Yanks will still score a ton of runs as Brain, i mean Brian will fill in any hole you think is too big to overcome, nobody is concerned the way you are rumpie, and it is funny to see you so scared of the Yanks being champs of the east again next season, or wild card even, while you sit in the basement for a second year in a row. Lets just call it sweet justice, or karma.

WB Jay-man.... how about telling us your thoughts on the mighty additions the red sox have made so far.
 

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Right, iggy, Cashman's will fill all the Yankee holes, all 10 of them, with no money. Right after Romney's inauguration.
 

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I must say that I'm happy with the Sox' moves, though I won't be thrilled if they don't do some more juggling. With no further moves, they're probably an 83-84 win team, certainly not as good as the Blue Jays and likely not as good as the Rays. They've probably moved past the Orioles, who are likely to recede and certainly won't have the luck they had last year. They're certainly a much better team than the New York Infirmary and Old Age Home, though it remains to be seen what Mr. Beggar Nocashman is able to do with the pennies he has to spend.

The Sox appear to be at about $115 million, so they certainly have room to add plenty of payroll, most likely through trades.

The Yankees appear to be hot after light hitting 32 year old Jeff Keppinger, though for the life of me I can't figure out why.
 

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So the sox are 14 wins better than last year with the signings they made huh? As discussed earlier, Napoli is better than A-gone overall right? And D Ross is better than Salty/Lavarnway right? Gomes better than C Ross ?? the only addition made thats better and that is by a very slight amount, is Victorino vs. anything you had in rf last season, but not 14 games better. Unless the starting pitching is addressed by getting a #1 stud, i dont see you getting out of the basement, again.

Still have a feeling the red sox will be trading for RA Dickey however.
 

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"this is what $120.2 million worth of glue looks like"

"The Boston Red Sox's $120.2 million shopping spree has bought them a catcher who can't really catch, an outfielder who may not hit, an outfielder who probably should be a DH, a DH who will be a DH and a backup catcher. The free-agent market is Rodeo Drive prices for J.C. Penney production, and no team personifies that like the Red Sox."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/red-so...ut-airing-out-funky-clubhouse--045410724.html
 

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So the sox are 14 wins better than last year with the signings they made huh? As discussed earlier, Napoli is better than A-gone overall right? And D Ross is better than Salty/Lavarnway right? Gomes better than C Ross ?? the only addition made thats better and that is by a very slight amount, is Victorino vs. anything you had in rf last season, but not 14 games better. Unless the starting pitching is addressed by getting a #1 stud, i dont see you getting out of the basement, again.
Yes, Napoli is better than Gonzalez was for the Sox last year. Gonzalez was an .812 hitter in half a season. (Yes, that's better than Teixeira, but not by much.) Napoli should be an .825 hitter in a full season. David Ross is a back up and a much better one than Shoppach. Gomes and Ross are essentially the same player.

Full seasons from Ellsbury, Ortiz, Middlebrooks and Lackey will make up much of the difference. Are you familiar with the concept of "reversion to the mean?" No, I didn't think so. That explains why Lester and Buchholz are likely to have much better seasons than last.

They're still not a championship team but they're much closer to one than the New York Nursing Home and they have $50 million to spend on, say, trade for a number one starter, say Cliff Lee, and to sign Hamilton. Then they're a championship caliber team. There's nothing the Yankees can do, I'm afraid, to fix all of their problems.
 

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Eric Chavez has now slipped away and the Yankees have even lost out on Jeff Keppinger. It does look, however, that they are close to signing a contract with light hitting outfielder Nate Schierholtz. Go figure.

Looks like the plan is to punt the next two years.
 

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Absolutely nasty, filthy rumor that is being talked about, you are going to like this one iggy

"The probability of this happening is slim right now since Lee holds a no-trade clause to all but eight teams and could block a trade to the Yankees like he has done in the past. Plus, Lee is owed $75 million over the next three seasons. How would he fit into the Yankees’ plan to be under the $189 million mark? There would be a lot of questions that GM Brain Cashman would have to answer unless the Phillies plan to eat a chunk of his contract."

Actually the probability of this happening is none. 1. The Yankees won't take on Chavez' contract of $3 million, they're certainly not taking on Lee's $25. 2. The Yankees have pitching, albeit all of it old and questionable. They have four holes in their lineup and a few question marks. The last thing they need is another hole. 3. It would take a lot more than Curtis Granderson (or Jacoby Ellsbury for that matter) to get Lee.

They have a much better shot at Dontrelle Willis.
 

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"The probability of this happening is slim right now since Lee holds a no-trade clause to all but eight teams and could block a trade to the Yankees like he has done in the past. Plus, Lee is owed $75 million over the next three seasons. How would he fit into the Yankees’ plan to be under the $189 million mark? There would be a lot of questions that GM Brain Cashman would have to answer unless the Phillies plan to eat a chunk of his contract."

Actually the probability of this happening is none. 1. The Yankees won't take on Chavez' contract of $3 million, they're certainly not taking on Lee's $25. 2. The Yankees have pitching, albeit all of it old and questionable. They have four holes in their lineup and a few question marks. The last thing they need is another hole. 3. It would take a lot more than Curtis Granderson (or Jacoby Ellsbury for that matter) to get Lee.

They have a much better shot at Dontrelle Willis.

ANd with his track record...as soon as Joe.t published it, the likelyhood of it ever happening went straight to 0%...:lol:
 
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