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I am starting to respect Gammons a whole lot more these days since he is not sugarcoating what the red sox have done so far this offseason unlike what other red sox "homers" have been saying. If the red sox do not go out and somehow get either a #1 and #2 or even two #2 starters before the season begins, they are done like dinner and headed back to the basement. And no rumples, Sanchez and Dempster are not #1's or #2's. Kyle Loshe would be a upgrade but can he hack the boston media and pressure he would be under? Will john henry have enough money to pay him what he will command and give him the 4th year he is asking for? I hear Derek Lowe is available lol.
 

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Peter Gammons is not too impressed with the Red Sox acquisitions so far, last place in the East next year?, I think that iggy is right on the money with this one.
Interesting article, especially your misreading of it. Here's what I found in the article.

1. He likes the players that the Sox signed, nicked players he called them and he then said they're not A list players. All true. Also true is that they didn't pay them A list money.

2. Gammon a also observed in the article that nobody wants to sign with the Yankees, not Jeff Keppinger, not Nate Schierholtz, not Eric Chavez.

Yup, the Sox haven't signed any A list players. The Yankees, on the other hand, who have lost half their offense, haven't signed any A list players, any B list players, any C list players, and D list players, or any F list players. They just seem to be content to get older and older, pocketing the profits along the way.
 

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Interesting article, especially your misreading of it. Here's what I found in the article.
You always find something in a article that disputes what most everyone else sees in it, why stop now lol

1. He likes the players that the Sox signed, nicked players he called them and he then said they're not A list players. All true. Also true is that they didn't pay them A list money.

Yea, 13 mil for Napoli and 13 mil for Victorino and 5 mil for a career part time player in Gomes is not A list money, LOL! must be A- eh? Care to buy a bridge rumpie :lol:

Gammon a also observed in the article that nobody wants to sign with the Yankees

So Kuroda, Pettitte, and Rivera are now nowbody's? LOL! Sources also say Youkilis and Ichiro are close to signing with the Yankees, i guess they are nobody's as well? Again, i have a bridge to sell you rumpie.

Yup, the Sox haven't signed any A list players. The Yankees, on the other hand, who have lost half their offense, haven't signed any A list players, any B list players, any C list players, and D list players, or any F list players. They just seem to be content to get older and older, pocketing the profits along the way.

The scary part is i think you actually believe the crap you write. I would not at all count out a team that has 4-5 guys knowing this is their last run at a title and have hunger in their eyes (Pettitte, Kuroda, Rivera, possibly Ichiro and Youkilis... possibly Granderson and maybe Jeter as well) not to mention the other talented players around them. Face it, the red sox are doomed unless they get 2 top pitchers and the Yanks will be fine, even without Ichiro or Youkilis.

So, about that bridge?
 

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So Kuroda, Pettitte, and Rivera are now nowbody's? LOL! Sources also say Youkilis and Ichiro are close to signing with the Yankees, i guess they are nobody's as well? Again, i have a bridge to sell you rumpie.
Actually, they're old bodies. And they're all re-signs. There's a long list of guys the Yankees wanted but went elsewhere. I do hope they sign Ichiro. The Yankees will get less power from their corner outfielders than any team since the dead ball era.

TI would not at all count out a team that has 4-5 guys knowing this is their last run at a title and have hunger in their eyes (Pettitte, Kuroda, Rivera, possibly Ichiro and Youkilis... possibly Granderson and maybe Jeter as well) not to mention the other talented players around them.
What bullshit. What utter bullshit. These old farts had their last run at a title three years ago. If I didn't know better, I'd almost think you believe this gibberish.

TISo, about that bridge?
You mean the bridge the Yankees are on to 2015?
 

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Yet all three have more left in the tank and are better players than anyone the red sox signed this offseason, bar none. And for the record, they all wanted to come back to the Yankees, as does Ichiro. Do you actually think Napoli, Victorino and Gomes wanted to come to boston because it is boston or was it more, lets say .... 31million other reasons???? your kidding no one but urself rumpie :lol:

Those so called old farts sure had more success than your team did the last 2 seasons now didnt they? Old in baseball is not the same as old in the nfl, nhl or nba. Yanks are once again one of the better teams in baseball and the red sox are not, the quicker you come to terms with that the calmer and better you will feel. Go get RA Dickey and Kyle Loshe without giving up much and we shall then reevaluate the situation. Until then the sox are a borderline basement/4th place team, again.
Actually, they're old bodies. And they're all re-signs.
 

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And for the record, they all wanted to come back to the Yankees, as does Ichiro.
You really think someone other than the Yankees would have given Pettitte $12 M or Rivera $ 10 M. Pass that joint over here, pal. And I do hope they sign Ichiro. They'll have the weakest hitting corner outfield in MLB. Jonny Gomes all by himself in a part time role will deliver more offense than Ichiro and Gardner combined.

The Yankees are looking more and more like a 550 run team, good for the basement.

BTW, when a young guy has an ERA under 3.50 for four consecutive years, then has a bad year, unless his health is involved, he's more than likely to revert to form. It's called reversion to the mean. Look it up. Jon Lester will be the best pitcher in the division not pitching for Tampa Bay next year. Mark it down. And Clay Buchholz will be better than anybody on the Yankees except CC Sabathia, assuming Sabathia and his repaired knee don't break down, a might big assumption, I might add.

Boy, are the Yankees old, except of course, for all the empty positions they haven't been able to fill.
 

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You really think someone other than the Yankees would have given Pettitte $12 M or Rivera $ 10 M.
Sure, why not? Both are worth the price tag for what they bring and the dodgers would be glad to have either, that im sure of and a few other teams likely as well. Nobody bothered to offer because it was widely known both would only return to the Yanks. Both were pitching at the top of their game when they got hurt, so their salaries are dead on with what they are worth to the team. Now try telling yourself again how Napoli and Victorino are worth what they got lol, only in your world rumpie, only in your world. :eyebrows:

Jonny Gomes all by himself in a part time role will deliver more offense than Ichiro and Gardner combined.

Wow, you have been hitting that joint hard lol. Gomes will be lucky to hit 25 hr's and 25 doubles next season even with half his ab's in that tiny hitters park he now calls home, thats IF he gets 600 at bats. Throw in his horrible defensive game and he doesnt come close to being as good as one of Gardner or Ichiro, let alone both. What the Yanks lose in Swishers homeruns they will more than make up for with Ichiro's defense, ability to get on base, stolen bases and runs scored. They very well could be better with Ichiro in right instead of Swisher, actually it is likely.


As far as Lester goes, dont count on it, he has lost something from his game and Clay B will never see a full season away from the DL. Lackie was never good in boston and miracles can happen, but dont expect them in his case. Doubront is your #1 right now, thats scary unless your a Yankee fan and then it is just perfect :)
 

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Wow, you have been hitting that joint hard lol. Gomes will be lucky to hit 25 hr's and 25 doubles next season even with half his ab's in that tiny hitters park he now calls home, thats IF he gets 600 at bats.
Actually, I'll be happy with 20, twice the combined total of the Yankees' pitiful corners.
 

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Hell, you can have 30, what with Jonny F'in G's defensive game being what it is, you better hope he combines for 50 dingers and doubles, AT LEAST!.... what happened to the rumps of a few seasons ago when all he could talk about was speed and defense in the outfield? Oh yea, now that the Yankees have that you change your tune, lol...... classic rumps!

A healthy Gardner and Ichiro on the corners and Grandy covering the ground like he can in center, the Yanks overall are better in the outfield than last season. If in fact Ichiro does re sign, that is one awesome outfield, full of speed, smarts, and one hell of a arm in right! Looks to be one of the best defensive of's in the entire league this coming season, and they all contribute a lot on offense as well. I LIKE IT!

(gomes, ellsbury. victorino) :lol:

Actually, I'll be happy with 20, twice the combined total of the Yankees' pitiful corners.
 

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I LIKE IT!
Of course you do, because as a baseball fan, you sure know a lot about hockey. At this stage of his career, Ichiro isn't fit to carry Swisher's shorts. And though I doubt he'll do it again, Ibanez '12 is twice the player the banjo hitting Gardner could ever hope to be.
 

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No real response again eh? hahahahaahahah seems the red sox demise the last season and a half has really took it's toll emotionally on you rumps. Dont fret homeslice, it can only get better in 2013, or can it :noidea: :lol:


Seriously, if now you are telling us all Ibanez is a better overall player than Brett Gardner, i personally will help you up and get you back in the rocker you fell out of. Thank you btw, that makes 3 sports that i know more about than you, hockey, football, and baseball... i will give ya bike riding tho..lemme guess, your a Lance Armstrong groupie?

Of course you do, because as a baseball fan, you sure know a lot about hockey. At this stage of his career, Ichiro isn't fit to carry Swisher's shorts. And though I doubt he'll do it again, Ibanez '12 is twice the player the banjo hitting Gardner could ever hope to be.
 

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Brett Gardner is a fine defensive replacement, iggy. You know, the Sox last year had a raft of injuries, a couple of guys having off years, so they punted the season. What happens to them next year is really unpredictable and, of course, will depend in part on the final pieces that Cherington puts in place. They still have a boatload of money to spend and need a pitcher and a left handed bat.

The Yankees are mostly quite predictable because there are few roster changes and pretty well defined career paths. They have holes and we have a pretty good idea of how they're going to fill them. Let's take a look.

Catcher - Martin had a slight down year (.030 off his career) though he still hit 21 bombs and was strong in the clutch. This year, they're opting to go with a minor leaguer. Major downgrade.

First Base - Mark Teixeira has seen has numbers decline for four consecutive seasons to the point where he's a slightly below average hitter. His biggest fall offs were in 2009 and 2010. I have a feeling that he's going to be able to tread water. He can't go much lower. No change

Second Base - Robinson Cano is a wonderful player. However, he did outperform his career norm by .075 in his career year. His career path had been up to last year and he should out perform his career .854, but fall well short of last years .929. I'd say about .875 still a fine year by a fine player but a significant downgrade.


Shortstop - After 2 years in the low .700s, Jeter stepped it up to .791 last year. Given his career path, his age, and a significant injury, Jeter looks to drop back into the .700-.725 range. How much he'll play after the injury and after leading the league in PAs last year will also affect his value. Major Downgrade.

Third Base - Going from one injury prone old man to another, I see little change. Youkilis stepped it up a little bit after leaving Boston, so the change of scenery certainly helped. But he's still old, slow and injury prone and his career path is pretty clear. He's missed 160 games the last three years, so you should expect a season from Youk, pretty similar that of A-Rod last year. No change.

Left field - Bret Gardner has pretty well established himself as a good glove, no hit left fielder. He had his best year .762 at 26 and his career is .723, pretty much what can be expected of him in 2013. Ibanez had a .761 last year, but he's gone. Slight downgrade.

Center field - Granderson dipped slightly from his career average and significantly from his career year in 2011. That's only to be expected at 31. I'd expect a similar season in 2013. No change

Right field - Nick Swisher put up an .837 season last year, Ichiro a .696, pretty much in line with his career path as his legs and bat slow. He's 39, not a good age for a guy who relies on his wheels. Huge downgrade.

There will be a significant upgrade in defense in the corner outfield positions, but that will be given back by putting hobbled old men on the left side of the infield. Look for Bret Gardner to be picking up a lot of slow ground balls.

The pitching won't be as good, but it won't be bad.

CC Sabathia - His innings were down and his ERA was up, pretty much what you'd expect from a 31 year old pitcher with a lot of mileage on the arm. Look for more of the same in 2013. Minor downgrade.

Hiroki Kuroda - At 37, he threw the most innings of his career and had a slightly better than average season. You don't get better as you get older. He'll be 38. Minor downgrade.

Andy Pettitte - Pettitte pitched better at 38 and 40 than he did from 34-37, so he's a wild card. If he can stay healthy, he should give them more innings, though not as good ones as last year. His ERA could be any where from 3.25-4.25. Minor upgrade.

Phil Hughes - He's a wild card. He had his best season as a starter last year and threw more innings than ever before. He could step it up or he could be the same. He's still fairly young, the only young guy on the team and, hence, the least projectable. Minor upgrade.

Fifth starter - who knows. All we know is that he'll be cheap.

Mariano Rivera - Unpredictable. He's older than God and coming off a severe injury. The only thing we can predict about him is that he won't be as good in 2013 as Soriano was in 2012. Downgrade

The pitching will be as good as it was last year, but not nearly good enough to make up the 115 runs that the offense is going to lose. Those 115 runs will cost the Yankees 14-15 games in their march to .500.
 

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All your opinion which means squat to me as does mine to you. So here we are looking at the real facts. The Yanks with their starting pitching alone will be a good team and contend, the red sox, well not so much. Their starters as we stand are el stinko and again for the 100th time, UNLESS they go out and get a #1 and #2 or two #2's, kiss the playoffs goodbye for a 3rd straight year. The guys they have signed so far are ALL overpaid "decent" players. Napoli and Victorino, are no Agone and Ross, yes rumps I know Ross played left, so therefore Gomes is no Ross either.

If i were a red sox fan (imagine my horror!) i would not be very excited at this date for next season. Go get Hamilton, Loshe, and Dickey and then things would look much better. (however, i think Loshe would be just a avg pitcher in boston, RA Dickey would be a stud tho)
 

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(however, i think Loshe would be just a avg pitcher in boston, RA Dickey would be a stud tho)

I'm not sure why you are so high on a knuckleball pitcher who has had exactly one outstanding season and that being in the NL and is 38 years old!!! He has been an awful AL pitcher previously. No way the Sox would need this headache!
 

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So here we are looking at the real facts.
ROFLMAO. I gave you facts; you respond with your usual nothing.


I'm not sure why you are so high on a knuckleball pitcher who has had exactly one outstanding season and that being in the NL and is 38 years old!!! He has been an awful AL pitcher previously. No way the Sox would need this headache!
It's quite simple, K. Iggy thinks back no farther than last year. Established ability, long term history, age, etc., all mean nothing to him. It's quite clear that he knows almost nothing about baseball, if not less.
 

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Simple, he is better than anything you currently have, is a innings eater and rarely gives up more than 3 runs, thus keeping his team in the game every start, something a decent to good hitting team can greatly use, or any team for that matter.

Age is not really much a factor with a knuckler SK. Look at Neikro and Wakefield, by those standards Dickey has another solid 5 years left in his arm. He is also a very smart pitcher, crafty if you will and mixes speeds well with his #1 pitch. It is not as if he has been throwing the knuckler since high school or pony league, he only started a few years ago with throwing the knuckleball and has perfected it to the tune of a CY Young award last year, and is only getting better. I would take him on my team anyday as would most teams but he wants an extension and will get a hefty raise. The Mets however would never trade him to the Yanks, likely, and whomever does trade for him will have to pay the price with some top prospects or very good players already in the majors, yea i guess he never will be a red sox then :lol:

Btw, SK, i would say his era's of the last three seasons of 2.84/3.28/2.73 with a bad Mets team is pretty good and pretty consistent, national league or not. Again, he would be an upgrade over what you currently have and should be welcomed with open arms, even rumpie boasted a few months back about trading for him.

Here is a nice article on him.

http://www.npr.org/2012/06/29/155855553/r-a-dickey-on-winding-up-as-a-knuckleballer


I'm not sure why you are so high on a knuckleball pitcher who has had exactly one outstanding season and that being in the NL and is 38 years old!!! He has been an awful AL pitcher previously. No way the Sox would need this headache!
 
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Sorry charlie, but a inconsistent "metric" system is far from fact.... those so called metrics had your sox as the best "evah" and we saw how that worked out the last 2 seasons now didnt we? Those same metrics have you telling me Jonny F'en Gomes is underpaid lol. Try living in reality, rumpie-land seems just like disneyland, full of fantasy, but i doubt by a country mile it is the happiest place on earth. :lol:

ROFLMAO. I gave you facts; you respond with your usual nothing.
 

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One year, iggy. You base everything on one year. Did you just start following baseball yesterday? The shit you spew sure looks like it. Try looking at some of the advanced metrics. They work. And, by the way, OPS is not an advanced metric. It's really quite simple.

And I'm not basing my opinions on advanced metrics. They're based on performance history, typical aging patterns, and more. Your basing what you say on whatever bullshit you can haul out of your ass. How about a fact? One fact, that counters all the REAL evidence I posted this morning.

In your know-nothing world, the Yankees would never have acquired Nick Swisher. Look at the awful season he had his last year in Chicago. In your know-nothing world, the Red Sox would never have acquired Mike Lowell, MVP of the 2007 World Series. Look at his awful last season in Florida.

BTW, K, I'm with iggy on Dickey. He's been remarkably solid for three seasons. Knuckleballers mature late. There's a lot of life left in his arm. He's a better pitcher than either the Sox or Yankees have on their roster. If we were to get him, we'd be instant co-favorites with the Jays and Rays.

As for as the Mets never trading him to the Yankees, that's horseshit. They would, except for two things: 1) the Yankees have nothing that the Mets would want and 2) the Yankees have stopped spending money. He's too expensive for them.

The Yankees have lost a ton of talent this winter and added absolutely nothing.
 

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One year, iggy. You base everything on one year.

Wrong yet again. Clay B has a history of back problems and seems to hit the dl at least for one stretch in a season now a days. Lackey is a 4th starter these days and so far has not even come close to living up to that contract. Lester has fallen off since september 2011 and got worse last year. Bard was ruined by bobby v and the jury is still out on him, but as of now cannot be counted on at all. Thats JUST the pitching. If your metrics were soooooo reliable, then they sure failed the best team evah the last 2 seasons. Not saying metrics are not fun to look at and judge outcomes with, just they are nowhere as great as you think, they have flaws and are not as perfect as you preach and try to beat into the heads of others.

In your know-nothing world, the Yankees would never have acquired Nick Swisher.

Wrong again and it seems it was YOU yapping about how Swisher would be a part time player at best when the Yanks aquired him and i said you were full of it and who was right, yet again? Hint, it wasnt you :) Seems you were going off "ONE YEAR" (hmmm where have i heard that before) So much for what your metrics were telling you about him before he came to the bronx, some part time player he was eh?


BTW, K, I'm with iggy on Dickey.

Hey hey, now you are learning. Progress has been made :thumb:
 
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