Winter Blues: 2012 Official Offseason Baseball Thread

[lgna69xxx]

Buddy, dont listen to rumples, he has a horrible record the last 2 seasons in here. It wont change this season as the red sox will ONCE AGAIN miss out on fall baseball past September 29th in Baltimore.... what a game that could turn out to be, The "battle for the basement" on the last day of both their seasons!

However, someone has to hit the ball in order to score a few runs.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Of course and like i said, Mo would not be back if he was not 110%, what part of that do you not understand my bestest buddy?

Yup, just like Cap'n Jetes, right, pal of mine?

p.s. I do agree with Igna69 that starting pitching is the Yankees' strong point. However, someone has to hit the ball in order to score a few runs.

Oh, it's their strong point all right. Problem is, when the fourth best pitching staff in the division is a team's strong point, it doesn't speak particularly well of the team.

Does the name Robinson Cano ring a bell?, my MVP pick

Again? He's a fine player all right, but they don't often select MVPs from fifth place teams. He'll look mighty good in Dodger blue next year.

staggering OPS of .929 last year.

Staggering all right. Good enough for 6th in the league. And only 100 points lower than David Ortiz

also one word comes to mind when I think of Youk and Wells, "Lethal".

Lethal all right. Lethal to the Yankees' hopes for 2013.

 

[Special K]

WBC during preseason...

Is there any plausible reason at all why the WBC isn't played at the END of the season, say, late October or November instead of during the most fragile time of a player's year? Doesn't make any sense to me. Players usually play in winter leagues beginning around that time anyway.

 

[lgna69xxx]

Yea, it is definately messed up and i agree 100%.

 

[lgna69xxx]

I swear you have much more fun this time of year than during the season, then again, i dont blame you the last few haha, meanwhile most baseball fans enjoy april to october baseball, :lol:

Yup, just like Cap'n Jetes, right, pal of mine?


Oh, it's their strong point all right. Problem is, when the fourth best pitching staff in the division is a team's strong point, it doesn't speak particularly well of the team.


Again? He's a fine player all right, but they don't often select MVPs from fifth place teams. He'll look mighty good in Dodger blue next year.


Staggering all right. Good enough for 6th in the league. And only 100 points lower than David Ortiz


Lethal all right. Lethal to the Yankees' hopes for 2013.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

I swear you have much more fun this time of year than during the season, then again, i dont blame you the last few haha, meanwhile most baseball fans enjoy april to october baseball, :lol:

Yes, the last few years have been tough for the Sox, so I kinda feel sorry for what you're going to go through the next few.

 

[Merlot]

Does the name Robinson Cano ring a bell?, my MVP pick and a player with a staggering OPS of .929 last year, also one word comes to mind when I think of Youk and Wells, "Lethal".

Geeeez,

This would be the same Robinson Cano who did the most embarrassing choke job in MLB playoff history hitting BA .056, OBP .056, SLG .056, OPS .111 against Detroit last year. That Cano, a CATASTROPHIC .818 OPS less than the regular season. OMG! Meteors don't fall to Earth that fast. :crazy: Don't forget he's got an aged and patch work lineup around him, though losing A-Rod is actually a batting gain.

You and Iggy change views like J Edgar Hoover changed from pants to skirts. First you said Youk was a gay washed-up roids abuser, now that he's with the Yanks he's "lethal". Homer and Homer! One thing about Youk is always true. He will always fight to do his best all of the time.

I'm happy he's having a great spring training. Red Sox Nation will always love him. But, he'll be lucky to hit .250 for an entire season, of which he'll be luckier to see anything over 100 games...being generous. The guy was like lightning right after he left Boston and still hit .236 for the season though you both said he was on the juice. Well, I say the best to Youk. With all the injuries he and Cano are all you've got, and with Youk's record it will probably be only Cano. The good news is Cano won't tank in the playoffs since the Yanks won't make it that far anyway.

Regarding pinstriped pitching, it's going to be dicey relying on a number 1 with his weight and injury type. Now that he's been injured who knows what his weight and the pressure to carry the team will do to him. As for Rivera, fantastic guy, formerly a fantastic player. He had a great run of health, but at his age and with the injury anyone who has a clue can't expect more than 75% on the average of the old Rivera for the season. That's good enough to be decent in his case, but it's not the great Rivera by a long shot.

Cheers BOYZ,

Merlot

PS: Can't wait to see more by Homer and Homer.

 

[lgna69xxx]

You sound like a broken record.... oh wait! hahaha

Lackie sucks, doubront is avg at best, clay b has a bum back and can never play a whole season, dempster and his near 7 career era in the AL should be great in the "AL East" (hahaha)........ If lester stays off the bud (no not that rumps) and the kfc then maybe you will have one 12 game winner this season out of that bunch of mistfits you call a starting 5. :nod:

Yes, the last few years have been tough for the Sox, so I kinda feel sorry for what you're going to go through the next few.

 

[EagerBeaver]

CCF you should tell these guys about your foray to Popeye's to get a little sample of the Red Sox bullpen special sans beer, and how that went down. Still trying to figure out if beer enhances the meal or not.

 

[lgna69xxx]

Thanks for the kind words CCF, and it was a pleasure meeting you as well and as Mr.T says, you know ur stuff when it comes to MLB and so with that, please tell me what you honestly think about the Yanks, Jays and the rest of the AL, pertaining to this upcoming season and btw, you should post more.

And in conclusion, Merci CCF and your "Secret" is safe with me ................:thumb:

I don't like tequila, but there was a secret at the GT that I can't tell you about.

 

[EagerBeaver]

hey probably took imodiums after those meals. I think they were obsessed with fart jokes. Has Buccholz or Lester or Beckket had a colonscopy..would be a good idea. enough Popepye's chicken really warrants a scope, they pump you with gas and determne your ability to let all gas out gas ouyy

 

[lgna69xxx]

you two are killing me....:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[EagerBeaver]

This NY Post analysis contends that the Yankees got something for nothing in the Wells trade:

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yankees/yankeemain_X48r6Roq1mmyp71GqfV4CM

 

[EagerBeaver]

Trout, Harper Raking Spring Training; 2 For The Ages?

http://espn.go.com/mlb/preview13/story/_/id/9092724/mike-trout-bryce-harper-track-great

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Seeing those positives is difficult at this point, given Wells’s recent history. On the whole, the trade isn’t likely to work out. There’s just too much working against the 34-year-old Wells at this point in his career.

Some interesting mitigating factors, CC, but your final assessment that there's too much working against this working out is probably accurate.
1. Is he an upgrade over Boesch or Francisco. Probably over Francisco, but not likely over Boesch. Boesch did have a .799 OPS in 2011 before falling to .659 last year. In all likelihood, he'd fall somewhere in the middle in 2013. Not a quality regular by any stretch, but given Wells' suckitude, probably no worse and a whole lot cheaper.

2. Wells will cost the Yankees almost $20 million in 2013 with the luxury tax added in. With that tied up in a player who will turn 4th outfielder by early to mid May, the Steinbrothers are quite unlikely to open their wallets at the deadline in the unlikely event that the Yankees are still in the playoff hunt.

3. What little plate discipline Wells had in his early career, what little, has utterly vanished. His .248 OBP in 2011 was the lowest by a MLB regular since 1904.

4. While he'll cost the Yankees very little in in 2014, he will still likely be overpaid given the likelihood that he'll be collecting his paycheck from the golf course.

 

[EagerBeaver]

What is missing in your analysis is that the Yankees made the deal for Wells after Boesch got hurt with a rib cage injury. Apparently, he had been playing hurt since the Yankees got him in order to enhance his chances of making the team, and when the Yankees found out that he had not told Girardi about the injury, Girardi was furious. The Yankees went through this nonsense with Carl Pavano who did not report an injury to the team. Whether Boesch sustained the injury in a non baseball incident is irrelevant. Botttom line is he came to the Yankees with an unreported injury, the Yankees found out about it, he is hurt and we do not know the extent of it.

Apart from that issue, scouts who watched Boesch this spring were reporting that Boesch's swing had gotten all fucked up, which may be due to having played hurt, or it may be due to him just having gotten fucked up, or both. None of the above is contained in your analysis.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Interesting, Beav, but I wonder where you got this. None of this has been reported on the Lohud blog, which is historically the best source of Yankee information. (I must admit, as well, that Lohud was not where I learned of Wells' historical suckitude in recent years.)

And, of course, nothing having anything to do with Boesch changes the fact that Wells will cost the Yankees $20,000,000 in 2013 once the luxury tax is paid.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Vernon Wells & Lyle Overbay join the Yankees

Former Jays join Yankees

I must admit i'm nearly speechless!! Vernon Wells? Lyle Overbay? Are you kidding me??

Who's next? Kelly Gruber? John Olerud? Tony Fernandez?

 

[EagerBeaver]

Interesting, Beav, but I wonder where you got this.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseb...urting-but-doesn-t-tell-joe-girardi-1.4873135

http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2013/03/boesch_has_stiff_ribcage.html

 

[EagerBeaver]

And, of course, nothing having anything to do with Boesch changes the fact that Wells will cost the Yankees $20,000,000 in 2013 once the luxury tax is paid.

Not true, see the below

According to NYDN’s Mark Feinsand, the payments break down in the Yankees’ favor. The Angels will cover $9 million this year, leaving the Yankees on the hook for $12 million. That means the Angels will cover $20 million in 2014, leaving the Yankees to cover just $1 million. It gets better, though: because Wells’s average annual value is $18 million, the Yankees will actually get a $2 million luxury tax credit next year. So yes, taking on $13 million is too much, but it’s what the Yankees had to take in order to get the Angels to cover $20 million next year. It seems like a positive on the whole.