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Wells is an upgrade until they get healthy in the OF and the Yanks have nothing to lose and he may surprise and find his game again, nothing wrong with that at all, esp on the cheap. With the Yanks pitching, another October is expected. Dont forget the ace in the hole, Girardi did well managing in the NL with the Marlies and this years version of the Yanks is a NL type of team. Pitching first, manufacturing runs, some speed and smart managing.

Nice to see you posting again rumps, this time stay after the all star break. ;)
 

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Kevin Youkilis on the addition of Vernon Wells, nuff said.
Of course Youk is excited to have Wells on the team. Wells is one of the few guys on the team in the same age range as Youkilis.

BTW, Joe, what did you expect Youkilis to say?
 

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Buster O says Wells is the perfect solution and the Angels are likely to eat up to 18mil of his 21mil a year salary this year and next. For 3 mil a year, welcome VW.
Holy shit!! MLBTR is reporting that the Yankees are going to pick up $13,000,000 of Wells contract.

NOT BUSTER OLNEY ‏@TRIPPINGOLNEY "THE YANKEES LET RUSSELL MARTIN WALK AND WENT WITH SOMETHING CALLED A CHRIS STEWART AT CATCHER. BUT THEY'LL TOTALLY PAY VERNON WELLS $13M."

NOT BUSTER OLNEY ‏@TRIPPINGOLNEY "ON THE OTHER HAND, CASHMAN HAS A TERRIFIC TRACK RECORD. HOW CAN YOU DOUBT THE MAN WHO BROUGHT JAVIER VAZQUEZ TO NEW YORK NOT ONCE BUT TWICE?"

keithlaw ‏@keithlaw "The Yankees are giving Vernon Wells $13 million? They'd be better off giving that money to Dawn Wells."

Pete Abraham ‏@PeteAbe "Vernon Wells for a discount, sure. But $13 million over two years? Pretty pricey. Angels must be thrilled."

Joe Sheehan ‏@joe_sheehan "Ehhh... $13 million is more than I expected this to be. DiPoto wins this one."
 

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Of course Youk is excited to have Wells on the team. Wells is one of the few guys on the team in the same age range as Youkilis.

BTW, Joe, what did you expect Youkilis to say?

He could have kept his mouth shut and said nothing which would have meant that he did not think much of the deal, for Youk to come out and say something positive means that he thinks that there is plenty of gas left in Wells's tank.

BTW- Youk hit another two homers today giving him five which ties him for ninth in Spring Training, he is looking like a fine, fine addition for the Yankees, the closest Red Sox is Bradley in 104 place with a paltry two, yikess!!!, the Sox look like they will have a serious power shortage this year.
 

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Right, Joe. Listen, Joe, I've got this bridge that you might be interested in. I can let you have it for a very reasonable sum.
 

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I missed my best friend as well, been kinda quiet around these parts since he took his balls and went home. Where is jayman now?

About Youk and Wells, it would not surprise me to see these guys have tremendous years now that they are free from boring teams and boring cities and are now playing in the mecca of baseball, the Boogie Down Bronx Baby!

7 days "boyZ" :thumb:

BTW- I forgot to welcome you back to the BB thread rumples, how rude of me, to be honest reading "Facts" which is what almost everybody else posts are quite boring, I absolutely love reading your posts.:thumb:
 

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This payment of the Teixeira salary affords salary relief of probably up to $10,000,000.
Well, could be as much as $23,000,000 if he misses the season. What hasn't been addressed in the media is what becomes of the luxury tax bite on that portion of Teixeira's salary. Is it abated? Does the WBC's insurance company pay it? Do the Yankees?

Another question raised is how does this affect the long term health of the WBC and their ability to get coverage next time around.

Today's Challenge: How many current articles can you find that refer to the Yankees' trade for Wells as an act of desperation? I've got two so far: Jeff Passan and Jay Jaffe.

Here's Passen:
Yankees' grab at $126M bust Vernon Wells makes little sense, a sign of desperation
Were it not for the New York Yankees, Vernon Wells still would be a Los Angeles Angel, forever consigned to their dungeon of ill-fated maneuvers. Because the Yankees exist – and because they operate in a vacuum independent from their harrowing reality – the Angels now no longer must stare at a $100 million mistake for two more seasons.

Desperation, thy outfit is pinstripes.

The trade that would send Wells and around two-thirds of the $42 million remaining on his contract to the Yankees neared completion Sunday night, only a physical and commissioner's approval left to consummate it. Seeing as the Angels considered Wells sunk cost, the idea they would get anything, let alone savings in the parameter a source said was $12 million to $14 million, made Sunday a massive win for Los Angeles.

This was not one of those win-win trades.

For the Yankees, it was stunning. The steadiest franchise panicked after injuries dismantled its everyday lineup. The team that built itself on plate discipline traded for a 34-year-old outfielder who over the last two years hit .222, couldn't get on base even 26 percent of the time and, if that weren't bad enough, looks fit for Madame Tussauds in the outfield.

And the offseason of Scrooge yielded to the spring of perhaps $7 million a year for Vernon Wells, who will fill in for a month or so until Curtis Granderson's return, and then … well, the Yankees seem to be thinking for tomorrow only, so who knows.

"I just wonder where this money was in December," one Yankees official said.

The reaction to the deal across baseball was a mix of wonderment and criticism, for to partake of Wells at this point in his career flashed alarm of which few thought the Yankees capable. Among the injuries to Granderson and Mark Teixeira, the lingering hip problems of Alex Rodriguez and the setbacks to Derek Jeter, the Yankees have endured a more brutal spring than anyone – the sort that left more than one executive on Sunday predicting a last-place finish in the American League East
 

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Howcum in every article I read about this trade, I find the same word: desperate?
Trading for Vernon Wells: A desperate cry for help
By Rob Neyer
Yes, we scoffed a year ago when the Yankees signed 39-year-old Raúl Ibañez.

No, Ibañez didn't exactly tear up the American League. But the Yankees ultimately paid Ibañez just $3 million, and in part-time duties, he posted a 104 OPS+ and came up with some huge hits in October.

Yes, we scoffed when the Yankees traded for Ichiro Suzuki last July.

But his services were acquired for just $2.5 million and a couple of middling prospects, and he basically nailed his career numbers -- career numbers, by the way, that will probably get him into the Hall of Fame -- down the stretch as the Yankees won the American League East by two games.

With Ibañez and Suzuki, Brian Cashman and his front-office colleagues acquired some performance and some benefit of the doubt; the next time the New York Yankees acquired a seemingly washed-up erstwhile All-Star, we shouldn't be so quick to scoff, right?

Well, yeah ... but Ibañez wasn't that good last season. Perhaps more to the point, he seemed to benefit greatly from playing half his games at New Yankee Stadium; in fact he was terrible in the Yankees' road games, while batting .273/.349/.545 in the Bronx. Of his 19 regular-season home runs, 15 came at home.

Ichiro, same thing. After joining the Yankees, Ichiro batted .359 with five home runs at the Yankee Stadium; away from the Yankee Stadium, Ichiro batted .282 with zero home runs. Oh, and here's my Super-Favorite Bonus Statistic: in 31 road games as a Yankee, Ichiro drew ONE BASE ON BALLS.

None of this should be particularly surprising, as New Yankee Stadium has been the easiest American League ballpark for home runs, by far. I'm not saying that Ibañez and Ichiro were creations of their home ballpark, but to a large degree, Ibañez and Ichiro were creations of their home ballpark.

Did I mention that both Ibañez and Ichiro bat left-handed? Didn't need to mention it, because you already knew it. I will mention that Vernon Wells bats right-handed, because you might not remember that.

Now, I know what you're thinking. Or what you might be thinking. You might be thinking, "But hey Rob isn't Vernon Wells a professional hitter and maybe he'll be smacking some home runs to the opposite field all the time like Derek Jeter or somebody."

I have some statistics I would like to share with you, and they are numbers. According to FanGraphs, last season Vernon Wells batted .088 -- three hits in 35 at-bats -- when hitting to the opposite field; the year before that, he batted .182 when going the other way. Basically, Wells has demonstrated approximately zero ability to go the other way with any authority at all. And there's little reason to think he's going to start now.

Look, the Yankees "needed" a right-handed-hitting outfielder two months ago. That was before half the lineup landed on the Opening Day disabled list. Now they're desperate for something, anything. And since Kyle Lohse, for all his talents, can't really play the outfield or hit much at all, they did something else. While the Yankees aren't on the hook for all of the $42 million Wells has coming to him over these next couple of seasons, the early word is that they're going to pay him somewhere in the neighborhood of $12-$14 million. Which does lead to a terribly obvious question ... If they had that kind of money to spend, why not spend it a few months ago when it might have gotten them a good player?

Ah, but they didn't think they needed to spend it a few months ago. Hal Steinbrenner thought the Yankees were good enough to at least contend for a Wild Card or something. But here's the problem with aiming for 90 wins instead of 100: When you're shooting for 90 and a few things go wrong, all of the sudden you're staring 84-78 real hard in the face.

So you spend the money after all. Which is better than not spending it. Except in this case, spending it bumps you from 84-78 all the way to 84-78. Seems like an odd way to spend the family money.
 

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Oooh, the "D" word again...this time from a Yankee blog. Thank heavens the Astros are in the AL to keep the "Bombers" from being the worst team in the league.
All’s not well for Yankees as team looks to Angel in the outfield
By William Juliano, Pinstriped Bible
The Yankees are paying the price for a thrifty off season. Because of the team's decision to cut costs instead of maintain depth, the Bronx Bombers have been forced to scrape the bottom of the barrel to supplement a roster ravaged by injuries and free agent departures. As a result of that desperation, Brian Cashman appears poised to become the latest GM stuck with one of baseball's hottest potatoes: the contract of Vernon Wells.

According to numerous reports, the Yankees are on the verge of acquiring the former All Star outfielder from the Angels, whose rapid decline as a player has made him the odd man out in a crowded Los Angeles outfield. At first glance, it would appear as if the Yankees are taking a low-risk flier on a veteran, but in this case, the devil really is in the details. Since the ink dried on Wells' seven-year, $126 million contract with Toronto, the outfielder has become a poster boy for overpriced contracts. So, after doing the Blue Jays a favor by taking over the contract two seasons ago, you can bet the Angels are anxious to pawn off the final two years on the Yankees.

It's pointless to evaluate the acquisition of Wells without first considering the cost to the Yankees. At the risk of being too blunt, if Brian Cashman sends to the Angels anything more than a journeyman minor leaguer, and if Jerry DiPoto sends back anything less than an overwhelming majority of the $42 million owed to Wells, the trade would be a loss for the Yankees. What's more, it would be a further indictment of the team's priorities, not to mention the prudence of adopting a policy of fiscal constraint heading into a season with obvious health-related question marks.

Let's give the Yankees the benefit of the doubt (even if the organization is starting to use up some of its goodwill). Considering Hal Steinbrenner's frugality and Brian Cashman's baseball knowledge, it seems safe to say the Yankees will neither be sending the Angels a prospect nor taking responsibility for a meaningful portion of the contract. With that concern aside, we can examine the prudence of a Wells acquisition without the distraction of all the zeros at the end of his pay check.

The Yankees' desperation knows no bounds with the rumor that acquiring Vernon Wells is on the horizon.

The best argument for acquiring Wells is he would help address the Yankees' lack of production from the right side of the plate. Unfortunately, recent numbers don't bear that out. In three of his last four seasons, Wells has struggled against left handers, so he doesn't profile as a replacement for Andruw Jones. Careers evolve, but at this point, it's hard to identify a specific role that he seems well suited to perform.

Another alternative is the Yankees believe Wells can turn back the clock for a month or two. If you put stock in spring training numbers, the outfielder's 1.112 OPS in 41 exhibition season plate appearances might augur well for a rebound, but Cashman is too smart to let March performance exclusively determine his Opening Day lineup. However, that doesn't mean the team can't have a favorable view of Wells. Maybe the Yankees' legion of scouts have seen something in Wells' swing that warrants a low-cost risk? There's no way to justify the move by looking at statistics, but perhaps those carefully examining his skills have made a reasonable case to Cashman.

Finally, for the cynical, there is another motive for acquiring Wells. Facing an angry fan base for the first time in years, and perhaps sluggish ticket sales, the Yankees might be hoping that a big name will stem the criticism and pessimism. Do Hal Steinbrenner and Brian Cashman thinking Yankee fans are that naïve? That's hard to believe, but then again, many of the attempts to justify the team's budget cutting seems to be based on that presumption.

Hal Steinbrenner and his number crunchers have wagered on the Yankees being able to win on a budget, and that still could prove to be true. However, if the Bronx Bombers are to remain in the game until October, they may need to bluff their way through April and May. Can Vernon Wells help them do that? Based on his recent performance, probably not, but if the Angels are willing to give him away, the Yankees might as well roll the dice. Besides, if the Yankees fail in 2013, the culprit won't be the Wells trade, but the many short sighted decisions that preceded it and necessitated such desperation.
 

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I'm not sure i'd call it desperate, but when i first heard of this trade i just plain called it NUTS.

I mean....Vernon Wells?? Okay, he had a few good seasons in Toronto, but that was like 5 or 6 years ago. Likely longer, since i remember going to Mtl to watch the Jays play the Expos one year & Wells was starting to get established as one of the leaders on his team. I always suspected he was juicing himself when he was with the Jays....i mean, the kid they brought up from the minors one season & the very good outfielder he became a few years later looked like two totally different persons. I also suspected it was no coincidence that his numbers began to sink when testing for PEDs was introduced in MLB.

Vernon Wells is a great guy and i wish him the best. However, he's become a shadow of the player he once was. It's hard to believe the Angels managed to find someone to pick him up, considering the money he was making. His contract was one of a few that eventually led to GM J.P. Ricciardi's demise in Toronto. Other bad deals of his were B.J. Ryan's, Alex Rios' and Frank Thomas' contracts.

I honestly cannot pick the Yankees higher than last. I mean, how could anyone pick them higher? Okay, the Red Sox might not wind up much higher, but at least they're claiming to be rebuilding. And if Ortiz does come back to play the majority of the season, their bats might have a little more 'pop' than the Yankees have. Starting pitching is comparable between both teams, and both bullpens are a big question mark. What can i say? They'll be two very similar teams this season, both relying mostly on an all-star second baseman for their team's offensive production.
 

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Ugh, that word yet again.
Yankees show desperation with Wells trade
March, 25, 2013

By David Schoenfield | ESPN.com

There was a time when Vernon Wells was a good player, and a year or two where he was a great player. That time is not now.

The Yankees are reportedly close to acquiring the veteran outfielder from the Angels and would absorb about $13 million of the remaining $42 million owed Wells on the final years of his contract.

Instant reactions:

1. I can't believe the Angels were able to dump Wells -- and save $13 million in the process.

2. Why would anybody want Wells?

The one thing Wells can maybe still do is his hit left-handed pitching. He hit an abysmal .230/.279/.403 in 2012 and an even more abysmal .218/.248/.412 in 2011, but at least in 2011 he hit .284/.320/.531 against lefties.

Of course, in his last big season in 2010, when he hit 31 home runs with the Blue Jays, Wells had a huge reverse platoon -- .291 against right-handers (.895 OPS), .195 (.643 OPS) against left-handers. He also hit .321 at home, .227 on the road, in a year when the Jays were being accused of stealing signs.

But even if Wells can hit left-handers, why pay $13 million for that skill? The easiest thing to find in baseball is a right-handed corner outfielder who can hit lefties. There are guys in Triple-A who can do that for the league minimum.

So the Yankees just acquired a hitter who was bad in 2007, bad in 2009, historically awful in 2011 (.248 OBP, lowest OBP by a full-time outfielder since 1904) and bad again in 2012.

Sure, injuries have pushed the Yankees into a corner, but it appears to be a desperate acquisition for a team perhaps heading into desperate times.
 

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Simple, PITCHING.

I know you do not think it is good but others do in the baseball world. When you have starters of CC, Pettite, Kuroda as your starting three, that gives your team a chance to win 3 games every 5 days, add in Hughes once he gets back, a Ivan Nova who gets his mentor back (Mariano) and a up and coming David Phelps, well thats a pretty darn good group. And dont forget, Pineda is on schedule to be back sometime this summer if all goes well.

The bullpen is as strong as it has been if not more so depending on if Mark Montgomery is the real deal at the major league level. Worried about Rivera, no and why would anyone? He hurt his leg not his arm and he knows what he has to do to be ready after not pitching for months and would never come back unless he was 110% and ready to go all out and full throttle, Mo will be Mo.

Not at all worried about this team, and i think the Yankees will be fine until they get some injured guys back. Wells was a smart pickup by Cashman for the $ he will cost. Players that have not been producing for other clubs seem to come over to the Bronx and play better, must be that feeling of being with a first class and winning orginization.

I fully expect surprises for not only the Yanks, but the Jays also who i hope do well but have a feeling they wont play as good as most are predicting, but good enuff to get to postseason (at least i hope)..........

I honestly cannot pick the Yankees higher than last. I mean, how could anyone pick them higher?
 

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Simple, PITCHING.
I couldn't agree more, iggy. Here's how the scouts rate the pitching in the AL East. Well, at least the Yanks are ahead of the Orioles.

1. Toronto. All we can go by is paper. And on it, they have the best. National League Cy Young winner R.A. Dickey heads a talented group, with Josh Johnson and Mark Buehrle behind him. The acquisitions the Jays made allowed them to flip the front of their rotation from 2012 — Ricky Romero and Brandon Morrow — to the back.

2. Tampa Bay. The loss of James Shields should hurt some, but the keys here are the 2-4 starters: Jeremy Hellickson, Matt Moore, and Alex Cobb. Manager Joe Maddon thinks they’re ready to take the next step and become 200-inning pitchers and consistent winners. If they do, with David Price at the head of the class, shut the lights out on the AL East, because the Rays will win it.

3. Red Sox. They had the 25th-ranked rotation last season: 48-72 with an ERA over 5. Ryan Dempster and John Lackey are added this year. The optimism lies in the fact that Jon Lester and Clay Buchholz have pitched like top-of-the-rotation starters in spring training. The staff as a whole has been very good, a sign that they are responding to pitching coach Juan Nieves and manager John Farrell.

4. Yankees. They had the best rotation in the AL East last season, with a 71-50 mark and a 1.288 WHIP. So why fourth? You have to be somewhat concerned about age with Hiroki Kuroda (38) and Andy Pettitte (40). Will they hold up? Phil Hughes has been slowed by a bulging disk. Having said all that, their rotation is still their strong suit.

5. Orioles. Void of a true No. 1 or No. 2 starter, they have a bunch of 3-4-5’s, led by Jason Hammel. But it works for them. The starters pitch well enough to get to a superb bullpen, and they win games. The Orioles won 29 one-run games last season because the bullpen often saved the day. And they have Dylan Bundy and Kevin Gausman waiting.
 

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He hurt his leg not his arm and he knows what he has to do to be ready after not pitching for months and would never come back unless he was 110% and ready to go all out and full throttle, Mo will be Mo. ...
Anybody who knows anything about pitching, even the tiniest little bit, knows how important a pitcher's leg strength is. I guess you haven't heard about Mo's migraines, eh?
 

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Anybody who knows anything about pitching, even the tiniest little bit, knows how important a pitcher's leg strength is. I guess you haven't heard about Mo's migraines, eh?

I do agree that a pitcher's leg strenght is as important as is arm, or almost.

Rivera tore his ACL, which can be a devastating injury to an athlete of Rivera's age. This injury might wind up haunting him for the rest of his life.

And now, he's having to deal with nagging migraine issues. I know people who've had to deal with them for decades. Here's hoping that he gets over those medical issues & ends his career on a positive note.

p.s. I do agree with Igna69 that starting pitching is the Yankees' strong point. However, someone has to hit the ball in order to score a few runs.
 

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I do agree that a pitcher's leg strenght is as important as is arm, or almost.

Rivera tore his ACL, which can be a devastating injury to an athlete of Rivera's age. This injury might wind up haunting him for the rest of his life.

And now, he's having to deal with nagging migraine issues. I know people who've had to deal with them for decades. Here's hoping that he gets over those medical issues & ends his career on a positive note.

p.s. I do agree with Igna69 that starting pitching is the Yankees' strong point. However, someone has to hit the ball in order to score a few runs.

Does the name Robinson Cano ring a bell?, my MVP pick and a player with a staggering OPS of .929 last year, also one word comes to mind when I think of Youk and Wells, "Lethal".
 

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Of course and like i said, Mo would not be back if he was not 110%, what part of that do you not understand my bestest buddy? ;)

Yup, and the CAT scan came back negative, let me guess, you were wishing something bad for Mo's health now? Somehow that would NOT surprise me. Mo is one of the classiest players to EVER play the game and like i said twice, if he was not ready he would not be on the roster.

Mo WILL be Mo.

Anybody who knows anything about pitching, even the tiniest little bit, knows how important a pitcher's leg strength is. I guess you haven't heard about Mo's migraines, eh?
 
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