Winter Blues: 2012 Official Offseason Baseball Thread

[Doc Holliday]

My thoughts.....

A-Rod will likely have hip surgery & i've learned he'll be out for six months, which means the entire first-half of the season.

I don't understand Boston's interest in Mike Napoli. Don't they already have two catchers on board? Isn't Ortiz their DH? Will Napoli be asked to play first base?

I heard that Craig Nettles has been approached by the Yankees to fill-in for the injured Alex Rodriguez at third base. My guess is that Nettles will decline the offer, but who knows? Money talks.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

I don't understand Boston's interest in Mike Napoli. Don't they already have two catchers on board? Isn't Ortiz their DH? Will Napoli be asked to play first base?

According to fangraphs.com, Napoli has been worth $45.3 million over the last three years. The Sox got themselves quite a bargain. What the Sox have done with both Napoli and Gomes, Doc, is identify players whose profile plays well in Fenway Park. Both of them are dead pull hitters who should a) destroy the ball at home and b) fit in very well in a division very heavy in left handed starters. The Sox plan to play him at first base.

I heard that Craig Nettles has been approached by the Yankees to fill-in for the injured Alex Rodriguez at third base. My guess is that Nettles will decline the offer, but who knows? Money talks.

Funny, I heard they were looking at Mike Schmidt. Incidentally, Alex Rodriguez has been worth slightly less than Mike Napoli the last three years at $45.1 million.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Okay, if Napoli (a former Jay) will play first base, then it's not a bad signing. I didn't even know he could play first base.

 

[lgna69xxx]

According to non delusional fans, Napoli is worth 8-9 mil, 10 tops! So the sox , "a budget minded team btw" overpaid Nappy by about 3mil per season you say why by golly miss molly you would be correct sir :thumb: Seems desperate times call for desperate measures eh rumpie?

"Nappy" is coming off a great season in which he hit .227 compared to .320 the season before and before that was at .238 has never played more than 70 games in a season at first and he got a raise of almost 4mil per season from the red sox???? yea, they did not overpay at all :lol:

According to fangraphs.com, Napoli has been worth $45.3 million over the last three years. The Sox got themselves quite a bargain

 

[lgna69xxx]

Look at the stats, "Nappy" and Russell Martin had about the same type of production last year offensively, and Martin is a better overall defensive catcher. Both about the same age (Martin a yr and a half younger) Martin gets 8.5 mil per season on his new deal while "Nappy" gets 4.5 mil more per season at his 13mil per. Who was a bargain rumps? That would be the Pirates thats who. Sorry, but Nappy was overpaid, but again, when desperate to get out of the basement, these things can and will happen.

Whats next for the red sox, Swisher at 16mil per for 5 years? or will it be Hamilton at 20mil per for 8? Greinke at 20mil per for 5???? I'd say you will get one of Swish or Hamilton but will overpay, again.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Personally, i wouldn't have signed Mike Napoli. His production is in decline, he's fat & he appears to be injury-prone & cannot play a full season anymore.

However, did the Red Sox really have a choice? Who else was available? Maybe he was the best they could do at the price they were willing to pay. Maybe the other candidates for the 1st base position would have cost more money, even though they probably could have had Adam Lind at a bargain price. Considering that their owner is close to bankruptcy (according to reports), it's quite possible that Cherington had no choice but to sign a mid-level player like Napoli, who's never turned down a meal at a pizzeria.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Look at the stats.

Happy to. Napoli has a career OPS of .863, Martin's is .751, a difference of .112. Is that worth the extra $5 M. You bet it is. Another comp? Sure.

Napoli has a career OPS of .863. Mark Teixeira's is .896, a difference of .033. Is that worth the extra $9.5 M. LOL.

Whats next for the red sox, Swisher at 16mil per for 5 years? or will it be Hamilton at 20mil per for 8? Greinke at 20mil per for 5???? I'd say you will get one of Swish or Hamilton but will overpay, again.

Probably Swisher at about the same as Napoli. Both good players, but Napoli is a better hitter.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Personally, i wouldn't have signed Mike Napoli. His production is in decline, he's fat & he appears to be injury-prone & cannot play a full season anymore.

I've got one word for you, Doc: bullshit. Take another look at him. First: his production. He's had one bad year; the year before that, he had the best year of his career. Injury prone? Nope. His plate appearances over the last four years: 431, 517, 432, 417. Pretty consistent and pretty normal numbers for a catcher. The one year he had over 500, he played a lot of first base.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Last year, Napoli only caught 72 games, and he's never played first-base more than 70 games. Mike Jorgensen he's not!

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

And next year, he'll probably play first some 140 times. And hit his usual .863. He played 108 games last year despite spending a month on the DL.

The "injury prone" Napoli had never been on the DL before.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

The Yankees are now speaking with Cody Ross about their right field vacancy. When you look at the Yankee lineup, you'd have to think that they're in a pretty dire position. Consider:

C - Vacant, with no decent FA options.
1B - Teixeira, 33, and fading. .948, .846, .835, .807 over the last four years. He's become a decent number 6 hitter.
2b - Cano, 30, the one sure thing in the Yankee lineup, but still only an .854 career hitter. (.009 less than Mike Napoli.)
SS - Jeter, 39, fat and out of shape, coming off surgery, might be ready (or not) for opening day
3b - Rodriguez, 37, hasn't had an OPS over .850 since 2009 and now will miss the first two months of 2013.
LF - Gardner, 29, the young man of the group. A .723 career hitter. Not bad for a backup shortstop, but a starting outfielder? And he just missed a whole season.
CF - Granderson, 32, Mr. All or Nothing. Still a good hitter, at .834, only .029 less than Mike Napoli.
RF - Vacant
DH - Vacant

Ouch. Three vacancies, 1 guy under 30 and a banjo hitter at that.

Consider:
Losses: Martin, Swisher, Ibanez, Chavez, Suzuki, Rodriguez
Additions: None

Yup, the Yankees have lost six hitters and, while the FA names go off the board, they've added none.

 

[lgna69xxx]

Sorry Charlie, i am not the one always complaining about my team overpaying, that would be YOU always talking about the Yanks doing so but when your little team does it, you wanna look the other way, sorry but i will ALWAYS call you out on your BS as long as your around these parts so take your spanking like a good little boy. :lol:

Napoli has a career OPS of .863. Mark Teixeira's is .896, a difference of .033. Is that worth the extra $9.5M. LOL.

 

[lgna69xxx]

Why the way you speak one would think your little team up in bawstin won the world series last year and not lost 93 games! :lol: Dont "evah" count out Cashman and the Steinbrenners. When you have the starting pitching the Yanks have (this is where you "try" to tell anyone who will listen how bad it is lol, save your breath, you will only make yourself look sillier than you currently do) you are in fine shape and when a Yankee goes down, then they are replaced with someone capable of doing the job, unlike the debacle we saw the last 2 seasons in the new england. How is that vaunted minor league system going for ya anyways

The Yankees are now speaking with Cody Ross about their right field vacancy. When you look at the Yankee lineup, you'd have to think that they're in a pretty dire position.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Sorry Charlie, i am not the one always complaining about my team overpaying

Fortunately, my team got rid of all the guys they overpaid for. Right now the roster is at $110 M with just a few needs and plenty of flexibility. The Yankees are at $175 M with a ton of holes. You can talk about the past all you want, but the fact of the matter is that right now, the Red Sox have a better, cheaper roster with fewer holes than the Yankees.

BTW, ESPN has a poll going to see who should replace A-Rod. At the moment, Scott Brosius is in the lead. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/yankees/post/_/id/47495/who-replaces-a-rod

 

[lgna69xxx]

YET, when they signed them all you were loving it! lol........being transparent is not sexy rumpie lol....... you sure make me smile with laughter. Just admit it, your team on a "budget" (HAHA) has a long long ways to go to be up there with the Yanks and Jays, and Rays and O's for that matter.

Does it piss you off that the $175m Yankees with "tons of holes" are still miles ahead of the $110m red sox with just a "few needs"??? Few needs?? Bwhahahahahaahahahahaah............... keep dreaming but those "few needs" will cost you another 200 million overall (Greinke, Hamilton/Swisher and RA Dickey) and you still wont be as good as the Jays and Yanks! enjoy your dreams lol.

Fortunately, my team got rid of all the guys they overpaid for.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Poor iggy. It must be tough watching all the other teams get better while your Yankees just sit on their thumbs and get older and more brittle. And all you can do is piss in the wind. Poor iggy.

Right now, today, at $175 M the Yankees have the weakest roster in the division and have no plans to do anything about it. Poor iggy. Too bad the Yankees can't afford Brosius.

You know, iggy, the problem with pissing in the wind is that your face gets all wet. Poor iggy.

 

[lgna69xxx]

You better get up earlier in the morning to plan your daily arguments in here oldtimer if you think todays actions scare me. Ewwwwwwwwwwwww the red sox overpaid for Mike Napoli ewwwwwwwwwwww im so scared lol. Really rumps? Mike F'in Napoli????? They could not do jack shit with stud Adrian Gonzales at first so Mike Napoli is supposed to scare anyone???? Get real :lol:

They Yanks better than anyone fill holes. Arod goes down, so? Your quick to point out he is not the same player anymore so why should it be hard to replace him for 3 months to start the season??? Chavez can handle it and if not, the great Brian Cashman will figure it out. Unlike you, i have confidence in my teams management to put a contender on the field, but then after the last 2 seasons, i can see why you are worried about things in beantown, dont blame you really :lol:

Go trade for RA Dickey and sign Greinke and then you might get to 3rd in the AL East, then again Greinke in chow-duh town could end very badly with his condition and I for one would not like to see a nice guy like that back where he used to be, he is going to Cali and hopefully in dodger blue for Donnie Baseball.

Poor iggy. It must be tough watching all the other teams get better while your Yankees just sit on their thumbs and get older and more brittle. And all you can do is piss in the wind. Poor iggy.

Right now, today, at $175 M the Yankees have the weakest roster in the division and have no plans to do anything about it. Poor iggy. Too bad the Yankees can't afford Brosius.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

Poor iggy. You sound so desperate. Yeah, Brian Cashdollar. What a fucking genius. Give him a coupla billion and he can buy a championship every dozen years or so. Or so it used to be.

So whaddya got today. A $175 M payroll, no offense, no farm system. And apparently no money. AND no future. The old rules, buy anybody you want, are gone now that Cashdollar will have the Dodgers bidding against them.

 

[lgna69xxx]

Easy, a much better team than the 2013 red sox, get a true #1 starter AND a true #2 (you have many #3's lol) and add a huge bat into the middle of that Jonny F'in Gomes/Mike "ewwwwwww" Napoli led lineup and we shall continue this conversation, and until you do, you are clueless, nuff "ced"

So whaddya got today.

 

[Special K]

Sorry Charlie, i am not the one always complaining about my team overpaying, that would be YOU always talking about the Yanks doing so but when your little team does it, you wanna look the other way, sorry but i will ALWAYS call you out on your BS as long as your around these parts so take your spanking like a good little boy. :lol:

This just got really creepy!