With or without the mask?
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Very suspicious, must be a political ploy. If Trump is for masks, I am against them.
Now that Trump is wearing a mask I am getting rid of mine.
He is probably trying to mislead us all as usual, perhaps it is true after all that it does more harm than good.
Maybe I will wear only the ones that were shipped to me from China at least those guys have never lied to us and are trustworthy.
He is probably trying to mislead us all as usual, perhaps it is true after all that it does more harm than good.
Maybe I will wear only the ones that were shipped to me from China at least those guys have never lied to us and are trustworthy.
Beaver, you can trust Yankees, but I prefer to wear masks that are used by health professionals in the COVID environment. I strongly suspect that they have somewhat different agenda. Yankees major concern is to promote their team and look cool and as a benefit maybe have some protection whereas health professionals fear for their lives. Also, I strongly suspect that Yankees may indeed have certified masks as they are probably custom made and not bought in general stores.
That is a very difficult thing to police.
Laws are only good if people obey them and it is already law here to wear a mask Inside all public places.
It is easy to say it is not up to the businesses to police people but the alternative is ridiculous, do you actually expect there is going to be a government paid policemen in front of every store and building to do it. Who is going to pay for that.
It is to the benefit of stores to make sure people are wearing masks to make their customers feel safe and at ease to shop there.
You need to think a bit and apply some common sense before making wild statements.
Laws are only good if people obey them and it is already law here to wear a mask Inside all public places.
It is easy to say it is not up to the businesses to police people but the alternative is ridiculous, do you actually expect there is going to be a government paid policemen in front of every store and building to do it. Who is going to pay for that.
It is to the benefit of stores to make sure people are wearing masks to make their customers feel safe and at ease to shop there.
You need to think a bit and apply some common sense before making wild statements.
Fradi, let's see if there's going to be a policeman in front of every store.
Not all stores are going to need a police officer. The merchant warns the customer who doesn't want to wear the mask, and if the customer doesn't want to go out, then he calls the police, as is done.
I'm not sure which of the two needs to think a little bit and apply a bit of common sense before making wild statements.
Not all stores are going to need a police officer. The merchant warns the customer who doesn't want to wear the mask, and if the customer doesn't want to go out, then he calls the police, as is done.
I'm not sure which of the two needs to think a little bit and apply a bit of common sense before making wild statements.
So now you are back to the merchant calling the policeman.
Please tell me how that is not the merchant taking responsibility.
There never was any rule that the merchant had to forcibly remove the client for not wearing a mask. That would leave him liable for assault.
You posted in the last thread about the guy in Tim Hortons who refused to wear a mask and the end result was that they called the police by which the merchants job was done. He cannot be fined after that.
This is already in force with the current law so I dont quite get what you are on about.
The irony of all this was that the third cop that walked in during the whole time did not wear a mask, typical of the Montreal cops.
I am quite sure about who needs to apply some common sense and understand what he is actually writing.
Fining the merchant for not contacting police if a customer doesn’t wear a mask or leave may seem harsh but he should take some responsibility in protecting his establishment and making it safe for his customers. It is not all that difficult to call the police he would do it if someone was robbing him and by not wearing a mask they are robbing him of his customers If the word gets out that his establishment is not safe.
Please tell me how that is not the merchant taking responsibility.
There never was any rule that the merchant had to forcibly remove the client for not wearing a mask. That would leave him liable for assault.
You posted in the last thread about the guy in Tim Hortons who refused to wear a mask and the end result was that they called the police by which the merchants job was done. He cannot be fined after that.
This is already in force with the current law so I dont quite get what you are on about.
The irony of all this was that the third cop that walked in during the whole time did not wear a mask, typical of the Montreal cops.
I am quite sure about who needs to apply some common sense and understand what he is actually writing.
Fining the merchant for not contacting police if a customer doesn’t wear a mask or leave may seem harsh but he should take some responsibility in protecting his establishment and making it safe for his customers. It is not all that difficult to call the police he would do it if someone was robbing him and by not wearing a mask they are robbing him of his customers If the word gets out that his establishment is not safe.
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The fault for this fiasco lies with Tim Horton's and/or the Quebec authorities. In Connecticut the merchants post signs in front of their businesses, saying "Do Not Enter Without Mask", and referencing what has been a State law since April 20. If someone comes in without a mask, they are asked to leave for not obeying store policy and State law. There is no misunderstandings, no lack of clarity and hence we have not had such incidents occur.
As pointed out by Cloudsurf, the police were also at fault for pepper spraying the unmasked individual as a well known side effect of pepper spray is spasmodic, violent coughing which would only serve to propel virus particles greater distances.
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They should both be fined. I understand why the government wants to fine the establishment because if there is no penalty to them, they will be more lenient and/or not care if someone removes the mask. Being fined if they do not do anything or call the police is a good motivator. However, they should fine the person disobeying the indoor mask rule. Fine both if the store lets them in.
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I totally agree with you and although I am not a lawyer or know what happens if they get arrested by the police for violating this law, I would think that there are already fines involved as I doubt the police would be dragging them away without some kind of punishment or fine being levied on the individual afterwards.
I think putting signs out by the merchant is great as EB suggests and I would think most would have enough sense to do so but it is kind of redundant a bit as there is a Quebec law in force that has been on every media possible which specifically states that it is mandatory to wear a mask inside all public buildings stores. etc.... I carry two in my pocket each time just in case the ear loops break off.
I doubt however that especially in the US with all the backlash and protests against wearing a mask that a simple order or signs will stop it from happening. It is only a matter of time.
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It is true that it would be nice for the stores to have a sign, but the law is simple and rather clear. Some people just do not care or think they have become a lawyer because they they read comments on Facebook. From what I heard on the news, the guy that got dragged out of the Tim Hortons was only charged with resisting. I would have loved a big fine on top of that!
Wow ... I would say the same about succumbing to this utter nonsense of a scammed and "toughen pup buttercup" or yes, your next "rights" removed may be more critical ... so funny to watch so many expound on how great mask is for safety - well Einsteins ... if they really do the job, why then RELEASE prisoners from jail back to general public so they "don;t get sick or get sickER" and not instead make mask wearing mandatory there IN prison where you HAVE forfeited your rights for violating the law ... will wait now all the non-intejligent left leaning rubbish to sweep this one away.
Hey Cloudsurf ... was just IN Florida and AT WDW ... the facts, the actual FACTS, not what you are hearing and what media like Clown News Network are reporting, is more funny business with testing. Both fake returns of "positives" when no test actually took place, and no, none, zip reporting of negative results thus skewing the data to show a almost 100% positive case rate ... yup, if you don;t report any negatives you will get 100% ... duh, or as Homer would say Doh!
Okay so another conspiracy now in Florida faking positive tests.
Perhaps someone can explain how they are faking the deaths, somehow that is a little bit harder to fake.
Perhaps someone can explain how they are faking the deaths, somehow that is a little bit harder to fake.
What has been happening in some states is that the deaths are wrongly being categorized as Covid deaths.
In response to the Tim Horton fiasco, McDonald's, Chipotle, and some other restaurant chains have announced new mask policies and have also delineated exactly how the new mask policy will be enforced:
www.cnn.com
How McDonald's plans to enforce its new mask policy
McDonald's and Chipotle announced they would soon require customers to wear masks or other face coverings as cases of Covid-19 surge across the United States.
www.cnn.com
More manifestations against the wearing of masks in closed places, in Montreal.
Yes it's more difficult to adapt for some, but if you wear the mask we will be able to get out of it, otherwise a lot of people will be punished, because a re-confinement awaits us.
Let all these people stop looking at their little navels, and think of others.
There are plenty of countries around the world that are starting to have coronavirus cases again, they must reconfine themselves.
Wearing a mask is one of the preventive measures when social distancing is not possible.
Yes it's more difficult to adapt for some, but if you wear the mask we will be able to get out of it, otherwise a lot of people will be punished, because a re-confinement awaits us.
Let all these people stop looking at their little navels, and think of others.
There are plenty of countries around the world that are starting to have coronavirus cases again, they must reconfine themselves.
Wearing a mask is one of the preventive measures when social distancing is not possible.
Larry, did you get to North Carolina in the end?
I applaud all those who applauded....
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