Would You Book a Service Provider if You Knew She Was Being Pimped?

[Like_It_Hot]

This thread opens up a bag worms involving everything. Aside from the pimping situation, heres another one.

would people still visit establishments wether agency or mp that its known that some of the providers are offering bbfs?

thanks for the thread obvio, as usual you make the mind work ! Lol

This is a complete different subject and should belong to it's own thread. Independants offer this service (BBFS) also even if pimped girls might be obliged to do it.
Some girls will say they are OK being "so called" pimped because they are not forced to do things they don't agree to do and they are protected and don't have to deal with appointments. The problems occur when a pimp has complete control over a girl. It all comes back to which definition you give to "pimp", controlling, managing, the business is one thing controlling an other human being under coercion is completely different. Of courseI I don't thing "pimping" a minor could be simply management...

@Sexy Judy vient juste d'écrire un post relatant son expérience personnelle. Quand elle travaillait comme escorte, elle ne se sentait pas "pimpé" et de l'autre côté de la médaille elle ne considérait pas "pimper" les filles quand elle avait sa propre agence.

La légalisation de la prostitution (et non la simple décriminalisation) aiderait sûrement à fixer des normes acceptables.

 

[bodick7]

This is a complete different subject and should belong to it's own thread. Independants offer this service (BBFS) also even if pimped girls might be obliged to do it.
Some girls will say they are OK being "so called" pimped because they are not forced to do things they don't agree to do and they are protected and don't have to deal with appointments. The problems occur when a pimp has complete control over a girl. It all comes back to which definition you give to "pimp", controlling, managing, the business is one thing controlling an other human being under coercion is completely different. Of course i don't thing "pimping" a minor could be simply management...

@Sexy Judy vient juste d'écrire un post relatant son expérience personnelle. Quand elle travaillait comme escorte, elle ne se sentait pas "pimpé" et de l'autre côté de la médaille elle ne considérait pas "pimper" les filles quand elle avait sa propre agence.

La légalisation de la prostitution (et non la simple décriminalisation) aiderait sûrement à fixer des normes acceptables.

Money is the pimp instrument of control.
The problem is if a girl is in financial trouble and ask a pimp to lend her money...she's fucked up

 

[Flabert]

This thread opens up a bag worms involving everything. Aside from the pimping situation, heres another one.

would people still visit establishments wether agency or mp that its known that some of the providers are offering bbfs?

thanks for the thread obvio, as usual you make the mind work ! Lol

I had this situation in another town in canada but discovered it after I had my fully safe meeting.

It does negatively affect my interest in a provider because I care about my health and I have people in my life who rely on me being clean.

 

[Toto beefcake]

I had this situation in another town in canada but discovered it after I had my fully safe meeting.

It does negatively affect my interest in a provider because I care about my health and I have people in my life who rely on me being clean.

Bingo.

And to answer your first paragraph, its always like that. You have a meeting and you find out after the fact, which is sad .

 

[Julia Sky]

La légalisation de la prostitution (et non la simple décriminalisation) aiderait sûrement à fixer des normes acceptables.

La légalisation comporte plein de failles qui nous mettent en danger. C'est loin d'être ce qu'on veut, et en tant que client c'est aussi très peu recommandable puisque c'est un model qui vous criminalise dans la plupart des cas.

 

[LC18]

Abuse can be physical, psychological, financial or sexual.

Someone telling you that they’ll take your money if you don’t do this or that, if you don’t accept to see Mr. X or Mr. Y is violence. It happens a lot in agencies and massage parlours.

I don’t like talking about agencies because I haven’t worked long enough in one to really tell but from what I remember it wasn’t exactly fun. There’s a lot of psychological violence and manipulation going on. I am not going to say that I agree but I can understand. Their goal is to make money after all, if they have to manipulate the new girl to make more money while she’s still fresh, they will. What’s stopping them? The new girl? Definitely not. Not until she talks to veteran colleagues that will tell her that’s not how it’s supposed to go.

You [merb people] of all people should know that. There’s a thread called “Where is she working now?” You’re constantly talking about so&so switching to another agency. You’ve never wondered why so many girls quit one to go work at another? You’ve never wondered why so many end up going the Indy route?

 

[LC18]

Bottom line, it’s the ostrich syndrome. You see what you want to see. You think booking through an agency is better because at least girls aren’t pimped. You think booking an Indy puts you above meeting someone who’s pimped. The truth is you never really know. A victim of prolonged abuse becomes really good at hiding it.

We can write countless threads about “how to spot a pimped sp” while it will certainly help, many will fall through the cracks and you’ll keep putting money directly in their pimp’s pockets.

 

[Flabert]

Abuse can be physical, psychological, financial or sexual.

Someone telling you that they’ll take your money if you don’t do this or that, if you don’t accept to see Mr. X or Mr. Y is violence. It happens a lot in agencies and massage parlours.

I don’t like talking about agencies because I haven’t worked long enough in one to really tell but from what I remember it wasn’t exactly fun. There’s a lot of psychological violence and manipulation going on. I am not going to say that I agree but I can understand. Their goal is to make money after all, if they have to manipulate the new girl to make more money while she’s still fresh, they will. What’s stopping them? The new girl? Definitely not. Not until she talks to veteran colleagues that will tell her that’s not how it’s supposed to go.

You [merb people] of all people should know that. There’s a thread called “Where is she working now?” You’re constantly talking about so&so switching to another agency. You’ve never wondered why so many girls quit one to go work at another? You’ve never wondered why so many end up going the Indy route?

Am sure that is a factor.

But some quit agency a to go to b then back to a. There has to be other reasons because in your description they would not go back.

 

[LC18]

Am sure that is a factor.

But some quit agency a to go to b then back to a. There has to be other reasons because in your description they would not go back.

When you realize the grass isn’t greener on the other side

 

[haberbosch25]

Agencies are the best. If not for agencies we would be fucked in MTL and have to jump through all these hoops to book a more expensive indy.

 

[Like_It_Hot]

La légalisation comporte plein de failles qui nous mettent en danger. C'est loin d'être ce qu'on veut, et en tant que client c'est aussi très peu recommandable puisque c'est un model qui vous criminalise dans la plupart des cas.

La prostitution n'est pas légalisée au Canada, elle est décriminalisée, ce qui est très différent. Vous avez raison de dire que présentement la pression est sur les clients. Dans les pays où la prostitution est légale ni les clients ni les travailleuses du sexe ne sont embêtés en autant que les règlements sont suivis. Par contre, il n'y a aucune complaisance envers les proxénètes.

Ceci dit, nous nous égarons de la question originale qui était: "Would you book a service provider if you knew she was being pimped?"

Pour moi, si je suis convaincu que la femme adulte s'adonne à ce travail de son propre chef, peu m'importe qu'il y ait un booker et/ou un manager dans le décor.

 

[LC18]

La prostitution n'est pas légalisée au Canada, elle est décriminalisée, ce qui est très différent.

C’est ni l’un ni l’autre au Canada. Je ne sais pas d’où vous tirez vos informations…

 

[HDarrow0]

I've always felt that agencies were at least somewhat exploitative (as many employers can be) because of how large of a cut they take when the provider is the one doing all of the physical work and incurring all of the physical risk. I think that alone is good enough reason to try and support Indys.

However, post COVID, there appears to have been an explosion in demand amongst Indys for screening, references, deposits, personal information, advance booking requirements, exorbitant last minute booking fees, and cancellation fees that can sometimes be the cost of the entire meeting. This is sadly an adaptation from the American market and would not be tolerated anywhere else in the world (I.E. Asia, Europe, Latin America) and of course only applies to the client and never the provider.

In fact, a recent thread where a member complained about a last minute cancellation despite having to travel across an international border was essentially met with "haha too bad" by both providers and clients alike on this message board. I can't blame people for sticking with agencies. This isn't even into taking into consideration the much higher rates amongst Indys and there inclination towards being older and having more body modifications.

 

[LC18]

In fact, a recent thread where a member complained about a last minute cancellation despite having to travel across an international border was essentially met with "haha too bad" by both providers and clients alike on this message board. I can't blame people for sticking with agencies.

What did you want people to say? “You should have definitely seen her anyways, her being in pain shouldn’t prevent you from having a good time”

Maybe next time he’ll have a plan b before crossing the border.

 

[Giselle Montreal]

However, post COVID, there appears to have been an explosion in demand amongst Indys for screening, references, deposits, personal information, advance booking requirements, exorbitant last minute booking fees, and cancellation fees that can sometimes be the cost of the entire meeting. [...] and of course only applies to the client and never the provider.

What do you mean, it only applies to the client and never the provider?

 

[Julia Sky]

La prostitution n'est pas légalisée au Canada, elle est décriminalisée, ce qui est très différent. Vous avez raison de dire que présentement la pression est sur les clients. Dans les pays où la prostitution est légale ni les clients ni les travailleuses du sexe ne sont embêtés en autant que les règlements sont suivis. Par contre, il n'y a aucune complaisance envers les proxénètes.

Ceci dit, nous nous égarons de la question originale qui était: "Would you book a service provider if you knew she was being pimped?"

Pour moi, si je suis convaincu que la femme adulte s'adonne à ce travail de son propre chef, peu m'importe qu'il y ait un booker et/ou un manager dans le décor.

Actually au canada c'est une décriminalisation partielle, ce qui revient en gros à avoir les mêmes effets qu'une légalisation lol. C'est aucune des deux options que tu présente, comme le mentionne Lena.

La légalisation comporte plein d'éléments qui sont dangereux pour nous et pour vous. Faut-il que je le répète ou...?

Il s'agirait de ne pas essayer de m'apprendre quelque chose sur un sujet que je maitrise amplement et pour lequel je milite depuis des année aux côtés de mes collègues.

Avec la décriminalisation totale, les pimps restent illégaux, hein. Tu mélanges les affaires..

 

[Giselle Montreal]

Actually au canada c'est une décriminalisation partielle, ce qui revient en gros à avoir les mêmes effets qu'une légalisation lol. C'est aucune des deux options que tu présente, comme le mentionne Lena.

On n'est même pas "décriminalisée" en tant que travailleuse du sexe, seulement immunisée tant qu'on ne commet pas un acte criminalisé comme solliciter près d'une école, par exemple.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

There are many generalizations I see about Indy providers that create a hostile atmosphere toward us.. it's not because one person had to cross the border and got cancelled on that this is something that happens on a regular basis.

The same goes with clients, people want to screen less and less, I sometimes get 5 cancellations and no call no shows in a week, etc. If I talk about this here this is going to be seen as "client bashing" or "man hating"

 

[Sylar]

The same goes with clients, people want to screen less and less, I sometimes get 5 cancellations and no call no shows in a week, etc.

What's the connection between screening and cancellations?

 

[Lunaseraphim]

What's the connection between screening and cancellations?

The connection is disrespect in my opinion.. When clients refuse to screen, it feels disrespectful to me, although I am very lenient about screening and accept the bare minimum, and I don't even ask for a deposit. Same thing with cancellations, a lot of the time I get no call no shows and last minute cancellations for reasons that could have easily been predicted or prevented. It's not just on the provider side that there are issues, I think we all need to respect and work together.