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And to answer your first paragraph, its always like that. You have a meeting and you find out after the fact, which is sad .
Would You Book a Service Provider if You Knew She Was Being Pimped?
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And to answer your first paragraph, its always like that. You have a meeting and you find out after the fact, which is sad .
La légalisation comporte plein de failles qui nous mettent en danger. C'est loin d'être ce qu'on veut, et en tant que client c'est aussi très peu recommandable puisque c'est un model qui vous criminalise dans la plupart des cas.
Abuse can be physical, psychological, financial or sexual.
Someone telling you that they’ll take your money if you don’t do this or that, if you don’t accept to see Mr. X or Mr. Y is violence. It happens a lot in agencies and massage parlours.
I don’t like talking about agencies because I haven’t worked long enough in one to really tell but from what I remember it wasn’t exactly fun. There’s a lot of psychological violence and manipulation going on. I am not going to say that I agree but I can understand. Their goal is to make money after all, if they have to manipulate the new girl to make more money while she’s still fresh, they will. What’s stopping them? The new girl? Definitely not. Not until she talks to veteran colleagues that will tell her that’s not how it’s supposed to go.
You [merb people] of all people should know that. There’s a thread called “Where is she working now?” You’re constantly talking about so&so switching to another agency. You’ve never wondered why so many girls quit one to go work at another? You’ve never wondered why so many end up going the Indy route?
Someone telling you that they’ll take your money if you don’t do this or that, if you don’t accept to see Mr. X or Mr. Y is violence. It happens a lot in agencies and massage parlours.
I don’t like talking about agencies because I haven’t worked long enough in one to really tell but from what I remember it wasn’t exactly fun. There’s a lot of psychological violence and manipulation going on. I am not going to say that I agree but I can understand. Their goal is to make money after all, if they have to manipulate the new girl to make more money while she’s still fresh, they will. What’s stopping them? The new girl? Definitely not. Not until she talks to veteran colleagues that will tell her that’s not how it’s supposed to go.
You [merb people] of all people should know that. There’s a thread called “Where is she working now?” You’re constantly talking about so&so switching to another agency. You’ve never wondered why so many girls quit one to go work at another? You’ve never wondered why so many end up going the Indy route?
Bottom line, it’s the ostrich syndrome. You see what you want to see. You think booking through an agency is better because at least girls aren’t pimped. You think booking an Indy puts you above meeting someone who’s pimped. The truth is you never really know. A victim of prolonged abuse becomes really good at hiding it.
We can write countless threads about “how to spot a pimped sp” while it will certainly help, many will fall through the cracks and you’ll keep putting money directly in their pimp’s pockets.
We can write countless threads about “how to spot a pimped sp” while it will certainly help, many will fall through the cracks and you’ll keep putting money directly in their pimp’s pockets.
Am sure that is a factor.
But some quit agency a to go to b then back to a. There has to be other reasons because in your description they would not go back.
Agencies are the best. If not for agencies we would be fucked in MTL and have to jump through all these hoops to book a more expensive indy.
La prostitution n'est pas légalisée au Canada, elle est décriminalisée, ce qui est très différent. Vous avez raison de dire que présentement la pression est sur les clients. Dans les pays où la prostitution est légale ni les clients ni les travailleuses du sexe ne sont embêtés en autant que les règlements sont suivis. Par contre, il n'y a aucune complaisance envers les proxénètes.
Ceci dit, nous nous égarons de la question originale qui était: "Would you book a service provider if you knew she was being pimped?"
Pour moi, si je suis convaincu que la femme adulte s'adonne à ce travail de son propre chef, peu m'importe qu'il y ait un booker et/ou un manager dans le décor.
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C’est ni l’un ni l’autre au Canada. Je ne sais pas d’où vous tirez vos informations…
I've always felt that agencies were at least somewhat exploitative (as many employers can be) because of how large of a cut they take when the provider is the one doing all of the physical work and incurring all of the physical risk. I think that alone is good enough reason to try and support Indys.
However, post COVID, there appears to have been an explosion in demand amongst Indys for screening, references, deposits, personal information, advance booking requirements, exorbitant last minute booking fees, and cancellation fees that can sometimes be the cost of the entire meeting. This is sadly an adaptation from the American market and would not be tolerated anywhere else in the world (I.E. Asia, Europe, Latin America) and of course only applies to the client and never the provider.
In fact, a recent thread where a member complained about a last minute cancellation despite having to travel across an international border was essentially met with "haha too bad" by both providers and clients alike on this message board. I can't blame people for sticking with agencies. This isn't even into taking into consideration the much higher rates amongst Indys and there inclination towards being older and having more body modifications.
However, post COVID, there appears to have been an explosion in demand amongst Indys for screening, references, deposits, personal information, advance booking requirements, exorbitant last minute booking fees, and cancellation fees that can sometimes be the cost of the entire meeting. This is sadly an adaptation from the American market and would not be tolerated anywhere else in the world (I.E. Asia, Europe, Latin America) and of course only applies to the client and never the provider.
In fact, a recent thread where a member complained about a last minute cancellation despite having to travel across an international border was essentially met with "haha too bad" by both providers and clients alike on this message board. I can't blame people for sticking with agencies. This isn't even into taking into consideration the much higher rates amongst Indys and there inclination towards being older and having more body modifications.
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What did you want people to say? “You should have definitely seen her anyways, her being in pain shouldn’t prevent you from having a good time”
Maybe next time he’ll have a plan b before crossing the border.
What do you mean, it only applies to the client and never the provider?
Actually au canada c'est une décriminalisation partielle, ce qui revient en gros à avoir les mêmes effets qu'une légalisation lol. C'est aucune des deux options que tu présente, comme le mentionne Lena.
La légalisation comporte plein d'éléments qui sont dangereux pour nous et pour vous. Faut-il que je le répète ou...?
Il s'agirait de ne pas essayer de m'apprendre quelque chose sur un sujet que je maitrise amplement et pour lequel je milite depuis des année aux côtés de mes collègues.
Avec la décriminalisation totale, les pimps restent illégaux, hein. Tu mélanges les affaires..
On n'est même pas "décriminalisée" en tant que travailleuse du sexe, seulement immunisée tant qu'on ne commet pas un acte criminalisé comme solliciter près d'une école, par exemple.
There are many generalizations I see about Indy providers that create a hostile atmosphere toward us.. it's not because one person had to cross the border and got cancelled on that this is something that happens on a regular basis. 
The same goes with clients, people want to screen less and less, I sometimes get 5 cancellations and no call no shows in a week, etc. If I talk about this here this is going to be seen as "client bashing" or "man hating"
The same goes with clients, people want to screen less and less, I sometimes get 5 cancellations and no call no shows in a week, etc. If I talk about this here this is going to be seen as "client bashing" or "man hating"
The connection is disrespect in my opinion.. When clients refuse to screen, it feels disrespectful to me, although I am very lenient about screening and accept the bare minimum, and I don't even ask for a deposit. Same thing with cancellations, a lot of the time I get no call no shows and last minute cancellations for reasons that could have easily been predicted or prevented. It's not just on the provider side that there are issues, I think we all need to respect and work together.
Ah, my bad. I thought you meant that there is a correlation between those that don’t screen also being no shows.
I really don’t get why clients debate / negotiate about screening. If you aren’t willing to do certain screenings, just save yourself and the SP some time and move to another provider. That’s how I do it.
Yeah there is definitely a correlation. A few years ago, I didn't have enough regulars to afford screening every new client (because too many would refuse and I was potentially missing out on income I really needed).
So I had a TON of fake bookings and no-shows. Men who intent to waste our time aren't too fond of the idea of screening, and also it's often going to be the same guy with different numbers (looking at my myterious crazy merb stalker lol), screening makes it harder to repeatedly waste the same person's time
When I made a name for myself and eventually started screening every new client, because I could afford to, the amount of fake bookings and no shows decreased drastically. I very rarely get those now, compared to before I started screening. And I only ask for deposit or reference or a merb handle, so I can imagine providers who ask for even more get even less time wasters.
To put it into perspective : Some time in 2017 I made less than 1000$ in one entire month despite having multiple bookings every day. Because I didn't screen and 90% of those bookings were fake bookings from my stalker.
Now in 2024 I can make 1000$ with one booking and I've had probably less than 10 fake bookings since the beginning of the year. I'm sure experience and having regulars plays a part but screening made the biggest difference.
So I had a TON of fake bookings and no-shows. Men who intent to waste our time aren't too fond of the idea of screening, and also it's often going to be the same guy with different numbers (looking at my myterious crazy merb stalker lol), screening makes it harder to repeatedly waste the same person's time
When I made a name for myself and eventually started screening every new client, because I could afford to, the amount of fake bookings and no shows decreased drastically. I very rarely get those now, compared to before I started screening. And I only ask for deposit or reference or a merb handle, so I can imagine providers who ask for even more get even less time wasters.
To put it into perspective : Some time in 2017 I made less than 1000$ in one entire month despite having multiple bookings every day. Because I didn't screen and 90% of those bookings were fake bookings from my stalker.
Now in 2024 I can make 1000$ with one booking and I've had probably less than 10 fake bookings since the beginning of the year. I'm sure experience and having regulars plays a part but screening made the biggest difference.
I agree, clients should read your screening requirements and if they are not willing to comply then move on why waste your time and their own
I don’t mind giving a reference from another provider or Merb handle.
When they ask for a government photo ID then it is time to move on as that will never happen, I will never give that to someone I don’t know and have never met before..
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