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    Sexual Harassment: BY WOMEN!!!

    Hello all,

    This story reminds me why I believe in absolutely equal rights for women. They are absolutely equal...and consequently absolutely NO better too...ethically...or...morally.

    (Part 1)
    Women Harassing Men


    Complaints about women bosses preying on men have doubled since 1990. What’s going on out there?

    By Gretchen Voss

    http://lifestyle.msn.com/mindbodyand...menintheworld/
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    He was just a young thing — in his early 20s — and only two months into a promising new job at First Mutual Corporation in posh Cherry Hill, NJ. That’s when Jackie Mesinger — the Pagan Princess, as she called herself, a woman twice his age — began groping Louis Oblea Jr., as he remembers it, and lobbing sexual innuendo into their conversations.

    Oblea reported her to his boss. His response? Oh, she does that to some men. She’ll stop eventually. Until then, avoid her.

    And so Oblea did just that, until the day after Christmas, when he logged onto his company computer and clicked on his e-mail: There was the Pagan Princess, completely nude and performing a sex act on herself. Not two minutes later, another e-mail from her landed in his in-box. This one, another woman, in a bondage getup.

    Oblea complained again. He even showed his boss the pictures. Please, he said, just make it stop.

    His complaints echoed up the chain of command, but they were ignored, perhaps because the Pagan Princess was also the company’s rainmaker, reeling in the big clients. Young Oblea was just an entry-level loan officer. He was expendable. Two days later, when Mesinger heard that Oblea was making noise, she sent him an e-mail. You should rethink your position, it read.

    A few weeks after that, although Oblea’s manager had recently said that he was adapting well to his new position, First Mutual fired him. For poor work performance.

    That’s when Oblea turned to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. The EEOC filed a lawsuit on his behalf, and he received a monetary settlement from First Mutual. Oblea then quietly slipped away. No media blitz. After all, who would empathize? Was it even possible for a man to be sexually preyed upon by a woman?

    The harassment of men at the hands of women is clearly having a moment. While the total number of sexual-harassment claims brought to the EEOC has been declining steadily over the past eight years, the percentage of allegations filed by men has doubled between 1990 and 2007, to 16 percent of all claims. Given that it’s estimated only 5 to 15 percent of incidents are even reported, and those that are remain confidential unless a lawsuit is filed — which rarely happens in cases where men are the victims, says EEOC spokesman David Grinberg — who knows how many Louis Obleas are out there, staring in horror at nude pictures of their female superiors? “Most complaints are mediated and resolved, and you’ll never hear about them,” says celebrity lawyer Gloria Allred. “You won’t even see a piece of paper.”

    While it’s true that the boldest headlines still involve old-school offenders like Knicks coach Isiah Thomas — who was found guilty of harassing a female former Knicks executive (she claimed that Thomas told her he loved her, and also called her a bitch and a ho) — the more recent phenomenon of women taking lascivious liberties with men has slipped quietly into the zeitgeist. Note Lipstick Jungle’s stiletto-wearing magazine editor, Nico Reilly, getting slapped with a complaint after dumping her young lover, Kirby, a photography assistant who works with the magazine. The plotline is plausible because women finally have the power to be predators. We’ve come a long way since 1994’s Disclosure, about a female boss who tries to coerce a male employee to have sex with her, the very premise of which was considered silly at the time — the stuff of, well, Michael Douglas movies. According to New York City lawyer Ronald Green — who represented Bill O’Reilly after O’Reilly’s female producer accused him of, among many things, fantasizing over the phone about lathering her up with a loofah mitt — his big clients are now coming to him for help in defending their female executives against sexual-harassment claims. “Women are just behaving like those who came before them,” he says.

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    The relative newness of women in the corner office has lent an undeniable frisson to the corporate environment. Given how accustomed women are to drive-by comments and propositions, it can be thrilling when the tables turn and they’re the ones controlling the dynamic. Says a 35-year-old executive at a Massachusetts financial company, who has 37 men reporting directly to her: “There are days when I just think, You know, I could have any single one of these guys. Of course, in reality, I wouldn’t step over that line, but I know I could. And to be frank, that thought makes work far more interesting.” She admits to dressing for her male colleagues. And when hiring an assistant, damned if she didn’t choose the “totally hot” 25-year-old former professional hockey player. “If I have to look at this guy every day, why not have it be someone who makes me remember what a schoolgirl crush is?”

    Then there are the women who aren’t totally comfortable with their professional power and resort to flirting to get what they want out of their employees. “I’ve seen this happen, when the man thinks, Oh man, she wants me,” says Rhoma Young, a human-resources consultant who investigates sexual-harassment complaints. “And the man might take someone wearing a shorter skirt who is trying to be stylish as a come-on, because that’s how they relate to women.”

    A clear factor in cases brought by men is the difficulty society might have believing they would be offended by a come-on. No real man rebuffs sexual attention, goes the thinking, so how can he even be sexually harassed? “It’s sort of a societal taboo. A man’s going to complain because a woman’s hitting on him? What’s wrong with him?” says Alexis McKenna, a lawyer who litigates such cases. Men simply haven’t been raised to think of themselves as potential victims — making it all the more difficult to protest. “It’s much more shameful for men to have to confront sexual harassment and admit it,” says University of Maine sociologist Amy Blackstone. “It’s something that gets joked about.”

    Just ask James Stevens, a soft-spoken, devout Christian who worked for more than 15 years at a Vons supermarket in Simi Valley, CA, who claims that a coworker named Laura Marko was inappropriate with him every day for two years. “Most black men would love to have a white woman sexually harass them — that’s what I’d hear,” he says. “But I couldn’t be more repulsed. She would ask me point-blank, Do I go down on my wife? When I announced that my wife was pregnant, she suggested that if my wife had done a different act, she wouldn’t have gotten pregnant.”

    Stevens finally complained, and the company transferred him. “And the first thing out of my wife’s mouth is, ‘Why are they transferring you if she was harassing you?’ In the back of her mind, she was thinking maybe I could have been harassing this woman,” he says. His coworkers thought that, too. The rumor spread. And then Vons fired him.

    “It really destroyed my family,” Stevens says. “It destroyed my life.” He spent most of his days lost in a prescribed narcotic cocktail — Zyprexa and Celexa and Vicodin — and then his wife took their baby daughter and left.

    Determining that Vons fired him in retaliation for his complaining about being sexually harassed, a jury awarded Stevens $18 million, one of the largest decisions of its kind. (Vons has appealed.) But when I call Laura Marko and tell her that I’m writing a story about male victims of sexual harassment, she laughs hysterically (not to mention bitterly). “It was actually the other way around,” she says. “He was just a guy waiting for an opportunity.”

    Of course, there are men who might just resent the increasing presence and influence of women in the workplace, who don’t like that times have changed for good. For those men, is lodging a sexual-harassment complaint the ultimate retaliation — the way to make a woman’s gender her downfall?

    Or maybe they just feel...harassed. Consider the case of former senior undercover drug detective Matt Floeter, a deeply tanned 41-year-old with bulging muscles and eyes the color of the South Florida ocean. From the day Sergeant Barbara Jones took over as the supervisor of his hard-core, paramilitary-style unit of the Orlando Police Department, she could not keep her hands to herself, he says, grabbing and hugging him and the other guys every time they passed her desk in their big, open box of an office. “She was like a kid in a candy shop,” he says. “She had a full-court press on me all the time” — even rubbing her groin against him, he says, and at least once humping his leg, just like their unit’s drug-sniffing dog, Gunney.

    It’s hard to believe that this tough guy — who once shot a whacked-out dealer five times in a bust gone bad and who was commended for valor by former Attorney General John Ashcroft for doing it — would allow a woman pushing 50 to molest him. Floeter explains: “Hey, that is a sergeant, and you have got to bow down and say, ‘Yes ma’am, no ma’am,’ and you have to respect the rank.” Plus, she was personal pals with her supervisor.

    And yet Floeter did complain, finally, after three months of the alleged behavior, following a closed-door meeting with Jones in which she came down on him about his poor work ethic and threatened to subpoena his phone records because he was using his cell phone while on duty for calls related to his personal business, Aqua Cops. After another argument during a unit meeting in which Jones detailed changes she was set to implement that Floeter felt would undercut his investigative work and damage his reputation, Floeter drove straight to Internal Affairs and reported her for sexual harassment. The city settled out of court with Floeter last December, for an undisclosed amount. For her part, Barbara Jones was reprimanded for conduct unbecoming an officer.

    “It was horrible,” says Jones, who is now the public-information officer for the Orlando Police Department. “Especially when you didn’t do anything, but you don’t have any proof that you didn’t.”

    Her explanation is simple: She was forcing the detectives to be accountable for their productivity, and they didn’t like it. “They’re all macho and aggressive and the best of the best and don’t mess with us kind of thing,” she says.

    Who’s telling the truth — the befuddled woman with the sweet Southern accent, now 53, or the defiant detective who drove 260 miles on a Sunday to tell me his side of the story?

    Sure, Jones had hugged her men — “in a congratulatory way,” she says. But it wasn’t anything weird. That’s how a woman shows appreciation. That’s just what a woman does. Isn’t it?

    Cheers,

    Korbel
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    It happens to pretty boys, I agree. And in movies like Disclosure with Demi Moore and Michael Douglas.

    But for regular Wal-Mart guys, I don't think this is a problem, more like a fantasy. For us regular guys, it just doesn't happen.

    And if you're accused of sexual harassment of a female, there is no excuse, no defense. You're a man; you're automatically guilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bond_james_bond
    It happens to pretty boys, I agree. And in movies like Disclosure with Demi Moore and Michael Douglas.

    But for regular Wal-Mart guys, I don't think this is a problem, more like a fantasy. For us regular guys, it just doesn't happen.

    And if you're accused of sexual harassment of a female, there is no excuse, no defense. You're a man; you're automatically guilty.
    Hello Bond_James_Bond,

    It seems you are saying only the "Hot" get harassed? I doubt it. First, both men and women get turned on by those the general public would not consider the hottest. Second, the type of job you have has nothing to do with your looks or being attractive to others...unless one is a money chasing gold digger. I have seen very hot women working at such places and so it goes there are probably men there who are very hot to women. One of my two jobs is very mundane, and one guy working next to me was extremely sought after because hte ladies thought he was HOT! It's just that he wasn't harassed. He was a sexual heathen who would fuck any woman he could...and all the ladies seemed to love that he looked great and ran around a lot too. Anyway, I don't think working at Walmart necessarily stops sexual harassment.

    Cheers,

    Korbel
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    God I wish I was sexually harressed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinofreak
    God I wish I was sexually harressed
    Funny, but when it happens it's not necessarily like in the movies. It's not always a beautiful nymphomaniac who can have anyone she wants, but for some reason wants you NOW.

    I turned down a moderately attractive milf-aged woman recently, not because she wasn't hot enough, but because her personality disgusted me. Her overtures to me were subtle enough that I would be laughed out of court if I reported them, but on the other hand blindingly obvious to my colleagues and me.

    Long story short => I lost a big contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinofreak
    God I wish I was sexually harressed

    Yeah, ok -- You would rethink that if you saw what most of these women who do that harrassing look like... They aren't 22 year-old hotties... They are 53-year old bush pigs.

    I wish I was sexually harrassed too, because I could do a lot with an 18 million dollar settlement, not because I want some 50-something cougar fondling my changepurse.

    BD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinofreak
    God I wish I was sexually harressed
    Hello Latinofreak,

    This is the perfect statement to illustrate the problem. General society accepts that real men are susposed to love sex and never want to refuse it any place, any time, with pretty much any woman with a pulse. This seems to be an equally strong perception from both men and women. Because of it, accused women are almost certain to get a pass...oh, it couldn't have been harassment...he's a man. But if a woman accuses a man then he is almost certain to be perceived as guilty whether there is proof or not. And when it comes to young female accusers under 18 years old then you can easily face a stigma not likely to go away. From experience, it's a terrifying moment when a 17 year old at work passing simultaneouly through a tight doorway and deliberately rubs up and down your stomach and chest. Yeah, it's a big laugh to read. What's he complaining about? Itwas just a joke...he should have loved it...go for it buddy...yeah right. But with the legal hyper-sensitivity to harassment of women in the workplace such a situation can be turned around so easily as to threaten a career that could be left in ruin.

    What is tragic is that so many women have been harassed, abused, violated, sexually assaulted over time by men that you would think women would have learned to be better than that. Well, they haven't. They are the same generally in their ethics, morals and LUST! Where men used to use the good old boy system to get away with abuses, women now use the anti-harassment laws. Congrats girls...now you are equal.


    Cheers,

    Korbel
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    Not too long ago, I was contracted to work in a small office of maybe 40-50 employees... It was summer and they had an "intern" working as an assistant to the office manager. This girl was maybe 2-3 months away from her 18th birthday and was heading off for her first year of college in the fall. She had the looks of Cindy Crawford (when she was young and hot) and the sex drive of a depraved merbite... She flirted non-stop with every good looking guy under 40 and wore outfits to work that basically made it impossible for some people TO work... When she brought something to your office, she would come over and give you a little massage or neck rub, or sit on your desk in her mini-skirt and ask you if you liked her tank top etc etc etc... Probably exactly what she was used to doing in high school... There was a common understanding among "us guys" that this lolita was TROUBLE! Staying away from her was the mission every day... not giving in... not flirting back -- not getting dirty looks from every other woman in the office (who were all jealous of her for obvious reasons)... As far as I know, nothing ever happened, but it was damn hard for most of us, especially the few guys that were in their early 20's... You could just see their blood pressure rising when she walked by. The point is that it's just not easy being a normal guy at work these days. Not easy at al...

    BD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daringly
    Korbel,

    I am sensing some bitterness directed at the entire female population, i hope no female has sexually assulted you and gotten away with it
    Hey Daringly,

    Bwahahahaha...ah, you're funny. Actually, as I told one lady in a nightclub long ago, I don't mind that you pinched my ass...I just want to pinch back.

    NO, I don't resent the whole female population. I do resent those women who love to play flirting or sex games with men then hypocritically try to use the law to ruin a guy when he won't cooperate. I knew one guy in his late 30s who an 18 year old was flirting with. She dressed like a tramp, talked like a tramp, and acted like a tramp. When she couldn't get her way she said she caught him looking down her dress and reported him. Luckily her reputation was crap in the first place.

    The same guy I mentioned in an earlier post, who screwed everything he could get wanted to prove to me his "power". So he asked one woman in the back room in front of three guys if she liked to "take it in the ass". Instead of being insulted she answered like she was giving a rational social opinion. Yet, she would threaten other guys she didn't find attractive if they simply flirted too much with her. No, I wasn't one of them.

    I caught one young woman talking with a guy she thought was very hot about whether she swallows. Then she was talking with four guys present about how she likes to masturbate in front of her computer. Yet, when someone refused to do her job for her she filed false harassment charges.

    I know one young married woman who filed charges against a guy based on hearsay she received from a male friend of her's who actually was dying to fuck her even though he was about to be married himself.

    It goes on and on.

    Hypocritical abusing of harassment laws and false charges...yes, I "resent" that.

    Hey, I LOVE WOMEN! But sometimes you kinda feel like ...well...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z2na90xQrE

    Cheers,

    Korbel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland
    ..Sure is !

    Just laugh it off ..and... don't return the favor.
    Me thinks she is having a bit of fun .
    Hello Roland,

    Yeah, I know where you go to get your belly rubbed. Maybe next time we go to Cleo's you might sit awhile with your buddies instead of hiding in the private booths so long...lol.

    Rub-a-dub-dub,

    Korbel
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    I would love to be sexually harassed at work by women

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    Quote Originally Posted by master_bates
    I would love to be sexually harassed at work by women
    Hello Masterbates,

    With a name like yours I guess any excuse to apply it helps...lol.

    Happy strokes,

    Korbel
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