Coronavirus

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One of the best things about Covid-19 is that most of the population participated in, and the Government wasn’t allowed to completely delay (like they do with most medical research as regulators) a vaccination program. We will never fully know the differences between life with vaccinations versus no vaccinations for Covid. My personal opinion is that they prolonged a great number of lives. If others disagree, their opinions should not be silenced.

No one gives a shit now if the Russian Flu killed off 0.2 or 0.5 percent of the population. And a hundred years from now no one will give a shit if Covid 19 killed off 0.2 or 0.4 percent of the population.

You are right: "We will never fully know the differences between life with vaccinations versus no vaccinations for Covid."
And God be blessed for that. What we do know is most of the older ones 60+, immuno-compromised and others with immunity debilitating conditions would just be dead or severely ill.

Of course, it is an evidence, they prolonged a great number of lives. We are still in the pandemic with new more contagious variants emerging despite a high but not sufficient numbers of fully vaccinated (VF) people. With what we know now 2 doses and at least 1 booster shot should be considered for being qualified VF for general population and 2 booster shots for the 60+. Even with the vaccination it is obvious there was and there is an over-mortality and it is not over.

From the moment of our conception we are programmed to die. It is not a reason to accept evitable death.
If you are serious about this subject read on the telomeres. Telomeres get shorter each time a cell copies itself, but the important DNA stays intact. Eventually, telomeres get too short to do their job, causing our cells to age and stop functioning properly. Therefore, telomeres act as the aging clock in every cell.

About "nobody giving a shit now" about past deadly events, intelligent, wise and smart peoples care. From the past we can learn and prepare a better future. The quality of life we have now is because others before us learned and worked hard to discover the causes of diseases and developed drugs and antibiotics mainly. Of course it is easier to do nothing and complain. All that we learned and did against Sars-CoV-2 will surely also help to prevent deadliest virus in the future. This mRNA vaccine technology is simply a break-through in the science history.

 

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I agree with all you said and you are right. You got Purplem to like your post, maybe there is hope for Liberal voters. The thing is the media is a tool to manipulate the masses. Look at it this way, the government breaks your legs then gives you crutches and says we saved you and give themselves a pat on their back. Same scenario. A lot of problems are government created problems. It also requires support from the public. Politicians will conduct polls just to put a suggestion to see how the public will react, now after two years the public's support for masks and vaccines passport has dropped to below 50% a big difference compared to the same time last year. Legault has not locked down Quebec but two years ago he would have, why he wants to win the elections.

 

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^^^^^^ Wake up!!! 2 years ago there were no vaccines.
In canada, the vaccination effort began December 14, 2020, and is currently ongoing.
Omicron variant appeared late in December 2021 and we got the Delta variant mid 2021.
You are using words without knowing what they mean. There is no link to be made between liberalism and Le parti Libéral du Canada of Trudeau. I never voted for this party.
You are making a fixation on Trudeau. Grow up and try to convince Canadian to find a credible alternative with real arguments, not misleading ones. Being frustrated with no real alternatives, just always complaining, is the losers way. you can do better! Come on!

COVID-19 vaccination in Canada - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[gallantca]

The Liberals like to lie to push their narrative (The God of Liberal voters). However it is funny how ALL research is not disclosed on Canadian media. Could it be because they all received the media assistance fund (bribe money from the Liberals). Having said that, a new study published by the New England Journal of Medicine has demonstrated that people who are triple-vaccinated against COVID recover significantly more slowly from COVID infection and remain contagious for longer than people who are not vaccinated at all. Could explain why the cases never end and why there are so many variants.

New study: COVID booster significantly delays end of infection

31% boosted people still contagious 10 days post-infection vs. 6% unvaccinated.

www.israelnationalnews.com

This is the source.

Covid-19 Vaccine Resource Center

The Covid-19 vaccine resource center includes a collection of articles, FAQs, and related content to help educate and empower clinicians and their practice.

www.nejm.org

Background on the New England Journal of Medicine: The New England Journal of Medicine is a weekly medical journal published by the Massachusetts Medical Society. It is among the most prestigious peer-reviewed medical journals as well as the oldest continuously published one.

Did you read the article you are praising ? (the one in the NEJM)

Let me highlight two facts they claim

"Although vaccination has been shown to reduce the incidence of infection and the severity of disease, we did not find large differences in the median duration of viral shedding among participants who were unvaccinated, those who were vaccinated but not boosted, and those who were vaccinated and boosted"

a- they confirm the vaccines reduce infection and severity
b- they confirm viral shedding is not longer, which is what you are claiming they are saying.

 

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Did you read the article you are praising ? (the one in the NEJM)

Let me highlight two facts they claim

"Although vaccination has been shown to reduce the incidence of infection and the severity of disease, we did not find large differences in the median duration of viral shedding among participants who were unvaccinated, those who were vaccinated but not boosted, and those who were vaccinated and boosted"

a- they confirm the vaccines reduce infection and severity
b- they confirm viral shedding is not longer, which is what you are claiming they are saying.

You got me there. I did not read the one NEJM. I read the one on Israel National News who said they got the info from a study published by NEJM. Here is a quote from the article:

Israel National News > Science & Technology > New study: COVID booster significantly delays end of infection

Coronavirus
New study: COVID booster significantly delays end of infection
31% boosted people still contagious 10 days post-infection vs. 6% unvaccinated.

A new study published in the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM)* has demonstrated that people who are triple-vaccinated (boosted) against COVID recover significantly more slowly from COVID infection and remain contagious for longer than people who are not vaccinated at all.

The study did not deal with the severity of illness with or without a vaccine.

Researchers swabbed infected people and cultured the swabs, repeating the process for over two weeks until viral replication was not observed.

At five days post-infection, less than 25 percent of unvaccinated people were still contagious, whereas around 70 percent of boosted people were still carrying viable virus particles. For those partially vaccinated, around 50 percent were still contagious at this point.

Even more strikingly, at ten days post-infection, one-third of boosted people (31 percent) were found to still be carrying live, culturable virus. By contrast, just six percent of unvaccinated people were still contagious at day 10.

In other words, people who have received a booster shot are five times more likely still to be contagious at ten days post-infection than are unvaccinated people.

 

[gallantca]

You got me there. I did not read the one NEJM. I read the one on Israel National News who said they got the info from a study published by NEJM. Here is a quote from the article:

Israel National News > Science & Technology > New study: COVID booster significantly delays end of infection

Coronavirus
New study: COVID booster significantly delays end of infection
31% boosted people still contagious 10 days post-infection vs. 6% unvaccinated.

A new study published in the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM)* has demonstrated that people who are triple-vaccinated (boosted) against COVID recover significantly more slowly from COVID infection and remain contagious for longer than people who are not vaccinated at all.

The study did not deal with the severity of illness with or without a vaccine.

Researchers swabbed infected people and cultured the swabs, repeating the process for over two weeks until viral replication was not observed.

At five days post-infection, less than 25 percent of unvaccinated people were still contagious, whereas around 70 percent of boosted people were still carrying viable virus particles. For those partially vaccinated, around 50 percent were still contagious at this point.

Even more strikingly, at ten days post-infection, one-third of boosted people (31 percent) were found to still be carrying live, culturable virus. By contrast, just six percent of unvaccinated people were still contagious at day 10.

In other words, people who have received a booster shot are five times more likely still to be contagious at ten days post-infection than are unvaccinated people.

They say

"A new study published in the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM)* has demonstrated that people who are triple-vaccinated (boosted) against COVID recover significantly more slowly from COVID infection and remain contagious for longer than people who are not vaccinated at all."

Which is NOT what the NEJM says


They would have been far better off saying

"We are fake news, here's an article saying the truth and we will say the opposite. Nobody will notice, people's science knowledge is as good as their reading skills"

 

[sene5hos]

They say

"A new study published in the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM)* has demonstrated that people who are triple-vaccinated (boosted) against COVID recover significantly more slowly from COVID infection and remain contagious for longer than people who are not vaccinated at all."

Which is NOT what the NEJM says


They would have been far better off saying

"We are fake news, here's an article saying the truth and we will say the opposite. Nobody will notice, people's science knowledge is as good as their reading skills"

You are so right.

 

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They say

"A new study published in the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM)* has demonstrated that people who are triple-vaccinated (boosted) against COVID recover significantly more slowly from COVID infection and remain contagious for longer than people who are not vaccinated at all."

Which is NOT what the NEJM says


They would have been far better off saying

"We are fake news, here's an article saying the truth and we will say the opposite. Nobody will notice, people's science knowledge is as good as their reading skills"

You have a good eye. I assumed since they quoted NEJM then it must be true. Lesson learned is to verify the info they presume to quote. I did not bother to verify it. My apologies.

 

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We should always verify the source and it's quality.

 

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According to MSM, Biden likely has the very contagious version of covid, BA.5.. He has body aches and a sore throat.

Biden likely has highly contagious COVID-19 strain: doctor

U.S. President Joe Biden likely contracted a highly contagious variant of the coronavirus spreading rapidly through the United States, and now has body aches and a sore throat since his positive test, according to an update from his doctor on Saturday.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

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Video of President Joe Biden assuring Americans exactly one year ago (7/21) that they would not get COVID-19 if they are vaccinated resurfaced Thursday after the commander in chief tested positive for the novel coronavirus.

Video of Biden Saying Vaccinations Prevent COVID Resurfaces After Infection

Exactly one year ago, the president claimed: "You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations."

www.newsweek.com

 

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Video of President Joe Biden assuring Americans exactly one year ago (7/21) that they would not get COVID-19 if they are vaccinated resurfaced Thursday after the commander in chief tested positive for the novel coronavirus.

You forget that it has variants.

 

[gallantca]

You forget that it has variants.

In the top 10 stupid things presidents say about Covid, that one was #7.

It will be hard to dislodge #1

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/watch-dr-birx-reacts-as-trump-suggests-injection-of-disinfectant-to-beat-coronavirus-82518597530

 

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Maybe there's something to this, maybe there is not. But it is odd that Brandon's doctor doesn't speak directly to the press:

Reporters assail White House for shielding Biden’s doctor from questions after COVID test

Reporters slammed the White House Thursday for not making President Biden’s doctor available to answer media questions about his positive COVID-19 test, with one journalist saying it was “the least transparency” of any White House in 50 years.

www.washingtontimes.com

 

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In a statement, White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said that Biden was experiencing "very mild symptoms" and has begun taking Paxlovid, an antiviral therapy recently...

They should just give him remdesivir for 10 days as a preventative measure. Let's make sure the virus is good and dead.

 

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^^^^^ Paxlovid is the way to go for prevention. Efficient, just some pills to take.

Remdesivir is not making a consensus in being effective for mild symptoms situation.

Even for hospitalized patients. The benefits of remdesivir in the treatment of hospitalized patients with COVID-19 remain debated with the National Institutes of Health and the World Health Organization providing contradictory recommendations for and against use.

There are other issues with remdesivir. Made by the US company Gilead, is extremely expensive and has to be given intravenously. The guideline, published in the British Medical Journal, concluded that “most patients would not prefer intravenous treatment with remdesivir given the low certainty evidence. Any beneficial effects of remdesivir, if they do exist, are likely to be small and the possibility of important harm remains.”

Remdesivir: don't use drug Trump took for Covid-19, WHO says

Agency says no evidence the intravenous antiviral works for severe infections

www.theguardian.com

Conclusions: Based on this meta-analysis, there is a high probability that remdesivir reduces mortality for nonventilated patients with COVID-19 requiring supplemental oxygen therapy. Treatment guidelines should be re-evaluated.

Source:

Remdesivir for the treatment of COVID-19: a systematic review and meta-analysis, May 2022​

Remdesivir for the treatment of COVID-19: a systematic review and meta-analysis - PubMed

Based on this meta-analysis, there is a high probability that remdesivir reduces mortality for nonventilated patients with COVID-19 requiring supplemental oxygen therapy. Treatment guidelines should be re-evaluated.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

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Québec: Nous sommes vraiment dans une septième vague. Les données ne mentent pas. Nous n'avons pas encore atteint le pic.

Québec: We are really in a seventh wave. The data doesn't lie. We haven't peaked yet.

 

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..et les décès malheureusement continuent de s'accumuler......rien de rassurant à l'horizon...DUBÉ ferait bien de se faire plus présent et vocal....sinon pourrait bien le regretter très bientôt.....my 2 cents en ce délicieux Jeudi sur la Cité.

 

[gaby]

Dr. Boileau ce jour.....rien de bien nouveau....la situation se stabilise...appel à la vigilance--port du masque--- dans les rassemblements bondés pour les personnes plus vulnérables.....et aussi distanciation demeure importante à l'extérieur.....

Travaille à la campagne automnale.....devrait nous revenir dans les prochaines semaines.

Rappel.....la dose de rappel idéalement après 5 mois .....si nous avons eu la Covid ces derniers mois....attendre 3 mois pour une dose de rappel.....Alors profitons bien de l'été.

 

[Max15411]

I honestly don't understand how anybody still considers getting the shot. Can't even call it a vaccine since it is not, by definition, a vaccine. It does not provide immunity and its benefit as a therapeutic is questionable at best.

Unfortunately for humanity it will be the biggest "I told you so" in history.