Coronavirus

[gallantca]

The Liberals like to lie to push their narrative (The God of Liberal voters). However it is funny how ALL research is not disclosed on Canadian media. Could it be because they all received the media assistance fund (bribe money from the Liberals). Having said that, a new study published by the New England Journal of Medicine has demonstrated that people who are triple-vaccinated against COVID recover significantly more slowly from COVID infection and remain contagious for longer than people who are not vaccinated at all. Could explain why the cases never end and why there are so many variants.

New study: COVID booster significantly delays end of infection

31% boosted people still contagious 10 days post-infection vs. 6% unvaccinated.

www.israelnationalnews.com

This is the source.

Covid-19 Vaccine Resource Center

The Covid-19 vaccine resource center includes a collection of articles, FAQs, and related content to help educate and empower clinicians and their practice.

www.nejm.org

Background on the New England Journal of Medicine: The New England Journal of Medicine is a weekly medical journal published by the Massachusetts Medical Society. It is among the most prestigious peer-reviewed medical journals as well as the oldest continuously published one.

Did you read the article you are praising ? (the one in the NEJM)

Let me highlight two facts they claim

"Although vaccination has been shown to reduce the incidence of infection and the severity of disease, we did not find large differences in the median duration of viral shedding among participants who were unvaccinated, those who were vaccinated but not boosted, and those who were vaccinated and boosted"

a- they confirm the vaccines reduce infection and severity
b- they confirm viral shedding is not longer, which is what you are claiming they are saying.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Did you read the article you are praising ? (the one in the NEJM)

Let me highlight two facts they claim

"Although vaccination has been shown to reduce the incidence of infection and the severity of disease, we did not find large differences in the median duration of viral shedding among participants who were unvaccinated, those who were vaccinated but not boosted, and those who were vaccinated and boosted"

a- they confirm the vaccines reduce infection and severity
b- they confirm viral shedding is not longer, which is what you are claiming they are saying.

You got me there. I did not read the one NEJM. I read the one on Israel National News who said they got the info from a study published by NEJM. Here is a quote from the article:

Israel National News > Science & Technology > New study: COVID booster significantly delays end of infection

Coronavirus
New study: COVID booster significantly delays end of infection
31% boosted people still contagious 10 days post-infection vs. 6% unvaccinated.

A new study published in the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM)* has demonstrated that people who are triple-vaccinated (boosted) against COVID recover significantly more slowly from COVID infection and remain contagious for longer than people who are not vaccinated at all.

The study did not deal with the severity of illness with or without a vaccine.

Researchers swabbed infected people and cultured the swabs, repeating the process for over two weeks until viral replication was not observed.

At five days post-infection, less than 25 percent of unvaccinated people were still contagious, whereas around 70 percent of boosted people were still carrying viable virus particles. For those partially vaccinated, around 50 percent were still contagious at this point.

Even more strikingly, at ten days post-infection, one-third of boosted people (31 percent) were found to still be carrying live, culturable virus. By contrast, just six percent of unvaccinated people were still contagious at day 10.

In other words, people who have received a booster shot are five times more likely still to be contagious at ten days post-infection than are unvaccinated people.

 

[gallantca]

You got me there. I did not read the one NEJM. I read the one on Israel National News who said they got the info from a study published by NEJM. Here is a quote from the article:

Israel National News > Science & Technology > New study: COVID booster significantly delays end of infection

Coronavirus
New study: COVID booster significantly delays end of infection
31% boosted people still contagious 10 days post-infection vs. 6% unvaccinated.

A new study published in the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM)* has demonstrated that people who are triple-vaccinated (boosted) against COVID recover significantly more slowly from COVID infection and remain contagious for longer than people who are not vaccinated at all.

The study did not deal with the severity of illness with or without a vaccine.

Researchers swabbed infected people and cultured the swabs, repeating the process for over two weeks until viral replication was not observed.

At five days post-infection, less than 25 percent of unvaccinated people were still contagious, whereas around 70 percent of boosted people were still carrying viable virus particles. For those partially vaccinated, around 50 percent were still contagious at this point.

Even more strikingly, at ten days post-infection, one-third of boosted people (31 percent) were found to still be carrying live, culturable virus. By contrast, just six percent of unvaccinated people were still contagious at day 10.

In other words, people who have received a booster shot are five times more likely still to be contagious at ten days post-infection than are unvaccinated people.

They say

"A new study published in the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM)* has demonstrated that people who are triple-vaccinated (boosted) against COVID recover significantly more slowly from COVID infection and remain contagious for longer than people who are not vaccinated at all."

Which is NOT what the NEJM says


They would have been far better off saying

"We are fake news, here's an article saying the truth and we will say the opposite. Nobody will notice, people's science knowledge is as good as their reading skills"

 

[sene5hos]

They say

"A new study published in the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM)* has demonstrated that people who are triple-vaccinated (boosted) against COVID recover significantly more slowly from COVID infection and remain contagious for longer than people who are not vaccinated at all."

Which is NOT what the NEJM says


They would have been far better off saying

"We are fake news, here's an article saying the truth and we will say the opposite. Nobody will notice, people's science knowledge is as good as their reading skills"

You are so right.

 

[CLOUD 500]

They say

"A new study published in the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM)* has demonstrated that people who are triple-vaccinated (boosted) against COVID recover significantly more slowly from COVID infection and remain contagious for longer than people who are not vaccinated at all."

Which is NOT what the NEJM says


They would have been far better off saying

"We are fake news, here's an article saying the truth and we will say the opposite. Nobody will notice, people's science knowledge is as good as their reading skills"

You have a good eye. I assumed since they quoted NEJM then it must be true. Lesson learned is to verify the info they presume to quote. I did not bother to verify it. My apologies.

 

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We should always verify the source and it's quality.

 

[CLOUD 500]

According to MSM, Biden likely has the very contagious version of covid, BA.5.. He has body aches and a sore throat.

Biden likely has highly contagious COVID-19 strain: doctor

U.S. President Joe Biden likely contracted a highly contagious variant of the coronavirus spreading rapidly through the United States, and now has body aches and a sore throat since his positive test, according to an update from his doctor on Saturday.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[IamNY]

Video of President Joe Biden assuring Americans exactly one year ago (7/21) that they would not get COVID-19 if they are vaccinated resurfaced Thursday after the commander in chief tested positive for the novel coronavirus.

Video of Biden Saying Vaccinations Prevent COVID Resurfaces After Infection

Exactly one year ago, the president claimed: "You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations."

www.newsweek.com

 

[sene5hos]

Video of President Joe Biden assuring Americans exactly one year ago (7/21) that they would not get COVID-19 if they are vaccinated resurfaced Thursday after the commander in chief tested positive for the novel coronavirus.

You forget that it has variants.

 

[gallantca]

You forget that it has variants.

In the top 10 stupid things presidents say about Covid, that one was #7.

It will be hard to dislodge #1

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/watch-dr-birx-reacts-as-trump-suggests-injection-of-disinfectant-to-beat-coronavirus-82518597530

 

[IamNY]

Maybe there's something to this, maybe there is not. But it is odd that Brandon's doctor doesn't speak directly to the press:

Reporters assail White House for shielding Biden’s doctor from questions after COVID test

Reporters slammed the White House Thursday for not making President Biden’s doctor available to answer media questions about his positive COVID-19 test, with one journalist saying it was “the least transparency” of any White House in 50 years.

www.washingtontimes.com

 

[Max15411]

In a statement, White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said that Biden was experiencing "very mild symptoms" and has begun taking Paxlovid, an antiviral therapy recently...

They should just give him remdesivir for 10 days as a preventative measure. Let's make sure the virus is good and dead.

 

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^^^^^ Paxlovid is the way to go for prevention. Efficient, just some pills to take.

Remdesivir is not making a consensus in being effective for mild symptoms situation.

Even for hospitalized patients. The benefits of remdesivir in the treatment of hospitalized patients with COVID-19 remain debated with the National Institutes of Health and the World Health Organization providing contradictory recommendations for and against use.

There are other issues with remdesivir. Made by the US company Gilead, is extremely expensive and has to be given intravenously. The guideline, published in the British Medical Journal, concluded that “most patients would not prefer intravenous treatment with remdesivir given the low certainty evidence. Any beneficial effects of remdesivir, if they do exist, are likely to be small and the possibility of important harm remains.”

Remdesivir: don't use drug Trump took for Covid-19, WHO says

Agency says no evidence the intravenous antiviral works for severe infections

www.theguardian.com

Conclusions: Based on this meta-analysis, there is a high probability that remdesivir reduces mortality for nonventilated patients with COVID-19 requiring supplemental oxygen therapy. Treatment guidelines should be re-evaluated.

Source:

Remdesivir for the treatment of COVID-19: a systematic review and meta-analysis, May 2022​

Remdesivir for the treatment of COVID-19: a systematic review and meta-analysis - PubMed

Based on this meta-analysis, there is a high probability that remdesivir reduces mortality for nonventilated patients with COVID-19 requiring supplemental oxygen therapy. Treatment guidelines should be re-evaluated.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

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Québec: Nous sommes vraiment dans une septième vague. Les données ne mentent pas. Nous n'avons pas encore atteint le pic.

Québec: We are really in a seventh wave. The data doesn't lie. We haven't peaked yet.

 

[gaby]

..et les décès malheureusement continuent de s'accumuler......rien de rassurant à l'horizon...DUBÉ ferait bien de se faire plus présent et vocal....sinon pourrait bien le regretter très bientôt.....my 2 cents en ce délicieux Jeudi sur la Cité.

 

[gaby]

Dr. Boileau ce jour.....rien de bien nouveau....la situation se stabilise...appel à la vigilance--port du masque--- dans les rassemblements bondés pour les personnes plus vulnérables.....et aussi distanciation demeure importante à l'extérieur.....

Travaille à la campagne automnale.....devrait nous revenir dans les prochaines semaines.

Rappel.....la dose de rappel idéalement après 5 mois .....si nous avons eu la Covid ces derniers mois....attendre 3 mois pour une dose de rappel.....Alors profitons bien de l'été.

 

[Max15411]

I honestly don't understand how anybody still considers getting the shot. Can't even call it a vaccine since it is not, by definition, a vaccine. It does not provide immunity and its benefit as a therapeutic is questionable at best.

Unfortunately for humanity it will be the biggest "I told you so" in history.

 

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^^^ incredible to read such affirmation after more than 2 years in this pandemic. Anyway it is a minority tough among a minority. Immunity helps you it doesn't give a 100% protection.
But we live in a freedom of speech country and even unfunded comment can be published. It doesn't make them more valuable.
It just proves more and more education and information should be provided by reliable sources.
À bon entendeur, salut!

 

[CLOUD 500]

^^^^^
Each person is entitled to their choices. Even if forced masks and forced vaccines save lives, such decisions are to be left to the individual. Collectivism is wrong on all accounts. Government is not our grandma, that is not their job, that is the job of our parents. Having said that any person that chooses to not get vaccinated and gets sick that is on them, they will be the one suffering. However I do agree with Max15411, a vaccine is supposed to prevent disease. Lets put it this way if you have a dog and give him a rabies vaccines and he still gets rabies then you got to ask questions. Trudeau got infected, Biden got infected, Fauci got infected and all had all their shots. Pushing vaccines that got reduced efficiency on the latest variant makes no sense. Personally, till they develop a vaccine that specifically targets the Omicron variant, I will not be getting anymore shots.

 

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Masks should be wear to protect ourselves and others.