2014 Official Major League Baseball Thread

[EagerBeaver]

Honestly I am shocked by Bucholz's ERA as well as Doubront's. 13 earned runs allowed by those two tonight. Bucholz is at 5.87 with his ERA and 1.56 with the WHIP. Doubront is at 6.07 with the ERA and 1.60 with the WHIP. These guys were once pronounced the jewels of the Red Sox farm system by Rumpleforeskin- he said they were "shining examples" of the rewards reaped by developing talent from within the system. Now they look like sacks of shit, with no value.

I am stupified.

 

[Merlot]

Hi BOYZZZ!

Honestly I am shocked by Bucholz's ERA as well as Doubront's.

Buchholz has turned out to be somewhat of a semi-fragile prima dona with a lot of talent that's being wasted. I've heard Doubront can let a negative temperament get the better of him. Both can be very hard on batters when they are on focus, but their control of themselves is the problem.

Also what the hell is Doubront doing pitching out of the bullpen, wasn't he a promising starter at one point.:lol:

That was the hope, but Doubront would be very good one game and crappy the next. That's why he didn't get a start in the World Series. You remember the World Series huh Joe. That set of game at the end of the year the Red Sox have won 3 times and Yankees 1 this century.

Yeah, no mention of you're Yanks...as expected.

BTW Merlot, did anyone get the number of that mighty train than steam-rolled right over anything with a red hose attached to it? The Sox had as much chance of winning as that Malaysian flight had of landing safely!

Cheers!!! :lol:

It's fun to beat the shit out of the other team for one game isn't it, even when you're stealing my lines. Awesome Doc! :thumb:

Ahhhhhhhhhhh, life has been soooooooooo tough for Red Sox Nation. :lol: I hear it's been a lifetime since these were in Toronto. :eyebrows:

Believe me, you guys are worrying far more about Rumps than he cares about what you say.

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[Doc Holliday]

It's fun to beat the shit out of the other team for one game isn't it, even when you're stealing my lines. Awesome Doc! :thumb:

Cheers,

Merlot

One game??? Oh, you must mean their last 4 games!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

Cheers!!! :thumb:

 

[Doc Holliday]

These guys were once pronounced the jewels of the Red Sox farm system by Rumpleforeskin- he said they were "shining examples" of the rewards reaped by developing talent from within the system. Now they look like sacks of shit, with no value.

I am stupified.

I am NOT stupified that the high priest of baseball has stayed away from the boards at this particular time!!! He's got great timing, i'll give him this!!! :lol:

p.s. The boos were so loud when crappy Farrell took Doubront out of the game that i'd be surprised if the entire team didn't ask for earplugs!!! :lol:

 

[lgna69xxx]

Are you kidding me? Jman has been gone for many times of the rouge hose stinkfests the last year, not just now.

I am NOT stupified that the high priest of baseball has stayed away from the boards at this particular time!

 

[Doc Holliday]

BOYZ!!!!!!!!!!

FINAL SCORE: JAYS 14 SUX 1

The line:

Fuchholz: 5 IP 7 H 7 ER 4 BB

Doubront: 0.2 IP 6 H 6 ER 2 BB

SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers!!!!!!!!!!! :thumb:

 

[Joe.t]

It's official, the Red Sox are now the third worst team in the AL, in other words ........:nod:

 

[EagerBeaver]

The Yankees face Bucholz Sunday night with a chance to push his ERA over 6.0. Unless Bucholz is traded before that start happens, and something tells me that the Red Sox have seen enough of him. My question is, what does he fetch in return in a trade? I wonder if Theo Epstein and the Cubs take a chance on the guy he drafted?

 

[Doc Holliday]

The Yankees face Bucholz Sunday night with a chance to push his ERA over 6.0. Unless Bucholz is traded before that start happens, and something tells me that the Red Sox have seen enough of him. My question is, what does he fetch in return in a trade? I wonder if Theo Epstein and the Cubs take a chance on the guy he drafted?

Personally, i wouldn't want him on my team. He's pitching like a AAA pitcher at best. I guess his 'doctoring the ball' tricks are no longer getting him by.

One big problem with him, as a starting pitcher, is that he looks very fragile. Take a look at him & tell me honestly that he weighs more than 140 lbs??? He's a stringbean!!! Pitchers who are built like this guy are usually not durable & belong in the bullpen. And that whole greasy 'look' of his tells me something is not right between his two ears. Any other pitcher in baseball who looks like he jumps in the shower every inning??? Something wrong!

I also hope that they get rid of him or at least make him skip his next start against the Yankees. There's no way they'll beat the Yankees with this bum and if they wind up bombing him out of the park, he may never be able to ever pitch effectively again. He's fragile. Very fragile.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Take a look at him & tell me honestly that he weighs more than 140 lbs??? He's a stringbean!!! Pitchers who are built like this guy are usually not durable & belong in the bullpen. He's fragile. Very fragile.

I told Rumples this back in 2007 after Bucholz pitched a no hitter against the Os and Rumples made numerous outlandish statements about him. He has not been durable and has averaged 9 wins a year since then. Bucholz has a bad combination of physical and mental fragility. Usually one or the other is a problem, but both in tandem is a nightmare. Bucholz is somewhat comparable to AJ Burnett, although I believe Burnett was a little bit more physically durable while exhibiting the same mental fragilities.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I told Rumples this back in 2007 after Bucholz pitched a no hitter against the Os and Rumples made numerous outlandish statements about him. He has not been durable and has averaged 9 wins a year since then. Bucholz has a bad combination of physical and mental fragility. Usually one or the other is a problem, but both in tandem is a nightmare. Bucholz is somewhat comparable to AJ Burnett, although I believe Burnett was a little bit more physically durable while exhibiting the same mental fragilities.

The comparison betwen Buchholz and Burnett is a good one, but Buchholz still looks the more physically fragile of the two. But i don't get his greasy look. I think it may be a sign or form of mental illness. I'll have to speak to my psychologist buddy about this. I mean, last night when the light rain first started, some fans started taking out their umbrellas. But if you looked at the players, it didn't look like it had started raining at all and the Jays announcers even pointed out that there was barely a cloud above the stadium. But if you noticed Bucholz, who was pitching at the time, he looked drenched!! He looked like someone who had just walked out of the shower with his entire baseball uniform on!!! Something wrong between the ears, i think.....

As for Rumples, I always respected his knowldege of the game & i'd often refer to him as a baseball encyclopedia. However, i'd also question the fact that according ot him, the Red Sox could do no wrong. He'd praise & overpraise a player again and again, and as soon as they'd trade that player, he suddenly had become a bum & the Sox had no more use for him, mocking the team who had just obtained that player. When people cannot remain objective, that's when i tend to take whatever they'll say next with a grain of salt. Blatant favoritism hurts their credibility. Maybe it's because i'm not this way, who knows. I'll call a spade a spade...whether or not this player or manager/coach is from one of my favorite teams.

 

[Doc Holliday]

The Red Sox are currently taking offers for both Lester & Andrew Miller. I'd be surprised if Miller wasn't traded. I also expect the Sox to unload some of their position players. As for Lester, my personal opinion is that he'll get traded. Likely to a National League team, possibly the Dodgers or Cardinals.

If you're Jon Lester, do you really want to remain in Boston?? This is a team going nowhere and will likely be battling to stay out of the AL basement next season also. This is one of the rare teams in the AL East that hasn't had many injuries this season as compared to the likes of New York, Toronto and Tampa. Baltimore is also a team that hasn't had many injuries, the only one i can think of being to catcher Matt Wieters. Basically, the Red Sox have played with the same core group of players that they had last season when they had everything going their way & surprisingly winding up winning the World Series under a very average manager in John Farrell. Everything went their way, they got all the bounces, and shocked everyone (probably themselves). Okay, they lost Jacoby Ellsbury, but that's their own fault. He's also had a very average season playing for the Yankees.

This reminds me of a book i read decades ago called "Number 1", written by Billy Martin (and co-written by Peter Golenbock if i remember correctly). Early in the book, Martin talked about his days managing the Detroit Tigers. That was a couple of years after they had won the World Series in 1968. He mentionned that it was the same old bunch that had won the championship and in their minds, they still believed that they were the best team in baseball. He mentionned that teams who keep basically the same core of players after a championship will usually fade the year after since the players aren't as hungry to win. They get in that zone where they believe that they are still the best and falsely believe that they don't have to push themselves anymore in order to win, which is why successful teams (dynasties) will usually replace several of those players the following year. They want to keep the players hungry to win.

If i'm the Red Sox, i'm also trading the likes of Pappi and maybe even Pedroia. They'll get very good value for them and Pappi's best years are long gone. He's also just a DH and they come a dime a dozen. He doesn't have many years left and i also believe Pedroia's best years are behind him.

 

[EagerBeaver]

This reminds me of a book i read decades ago called "Number 1", written by Billy Martin (and co-written by Peter Golenbock if i remember correctly). Early in the book, Martin talked about his days managing the Detroit Tigers. That was a couple of years after they had won the World Series in 1968. He mentionned that it was the same old bunch that had won the championship and in their minds, they still believed that they were the best team in baseball. He mentionned that teams who keep basically the same core of players after a championship will usually fade the year after since the players aren't as hungry to win. They get in that zone where they believe that they are still the best and falsely believe that they don't have to push themselves anymore in order to win, which is why successful teams (dynasties) will usually replace several of those players the following year. They want to keep the players hungry to win.

Martin managed that over the hill group of players to the ALCS in 1972 where they were beaten by the Oakland As who would win the World Series. This was the series in which Bert Campaneris threw his bat at Larrin Lagrow, nearly hitting him. Observe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2pRNQuKS40

It was a great duck by Lagrow. In the ensuing melee you can see Martin getting restrained. The Tigers 1st, 2nd and 3rd baseman, Norm Cash, Dick McAuliffe and Aurelio Rodriguez are all seen. Rodriguez, the 1st A-Rod, had one of the strongest throwing arms I have ever seen.

 

[Doc Holliday]

It was a great duck by Lagrow. In the ensuing melee you can see Martin getting restrained. The Tigers 1st, 2nd and 3rd baseman, Norm Cash, Dick McAuliffe and Aurelio Rodriguez are all seen. Rodriguez, the 1st A-Rod, had one of the strongest throwing arms I have ever seen.

And Willie Horton!! I still remember when he later played for the Jays.

I became an Oakland A's fan during those playoffs. The Mustache Gang!! I cheered for them until 1975 when my favorite team became, believe it or not, the Boston Red Sox. A couple of years later, it was the Yankees for a couple of years, and then the Expos & the Jays when they started playing good. To this day, i'm still an Expos fan first and foremost, and then a Jays fan.

 

[lgna69xxx]

So you have the rouge hose trading their faces of the franchise? Well, after thinking about that for less than a second, that franchise they are the faces of could make history this season going from WORST to first back to WORST so I assume those two would love to catch the first plane out of chow-duh town in a heartbeat!

About peDroia, are you saying no hall of fame for dusty? There was a guy or two (both now AWOL) round these parts that used to say he was well on his way to cooperstown....maybe I have them confused and they were actually talking about #2 in Pinstripes yea that must be it :lol:

If i'm the Red Sox, i'm also trading the likes of Pappi and maybe even Pedroia. They'll get very good value for them and Pappi's best years are long gone. He's also just a DH and they come a dime a dozen. He doesn't have many years left and i also believe Pedroia's best years are behind him.

 

[Joe.t]

Phil Rogers of MLB.com is predicting that Lester and Miller will end up with the Blue Jays.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb...md=20140729&content_id=86727250&vkey=news_mlb

 

[EagerBeaver]

I keep hearing on ESPN talk of Lester and Miller to LA Dodgers for Kemp and Seager.

 

[hungry101]

Martin managed that over the hill group of players to the ALCS in 1972 where they were beaten by the Oakland As who would win the World Series. This was the series in which Bert Campaneris threw his bat at Larrin Lagrow, nearly hitting him. Observe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2pRNQuKS40

It was a great duck by Lagrow. In the ensuing melee you can see Martin getting restrained. The Tigers 1st, 2nd and 3rd baseman, Norm Cash, Dick McAuliffe and Aurelio Rodriguez are all seen. Rodriguez, the 1st A-Rod, had one of the strongest throwing arms I have ever seen.

By the way, that was Ernie Harwell doing the play-by-play. I believe that he is the only announcer to get traded for a player (there may have been a wash machine involved.) Some how I don't remember that happening. A-Rod was brought over in a trade that sent the washed up trouble maker Denny McLain over to the Senators (First in war, First in Peace, and last in the American League east) for A-Rod, Ed Brinkman, and Joe Coleman. It was the most lopsided trade in the history of the Detroit Tigers and those three guys were the core of the team for about the next 7 years.

There was another incident involving Angel Mangual charging the mound against Detroit. I looked it up and Campy was involved in that incident too. I loved Billy Martin. He was an entertaining hot-head with a very short fuse. Any money says he told whomever to throw at Campinaris in the first place.

I spoke with Willie Horton at a golf outing. He was a salesmen for a supplier out of Detroit. I walked up to him while he was sitting in a golf cart. And I said "Hey Willie. My old man told me about the time you hit the ball out of Tiger Stadium as a Sr. in High School during the [Detroit PSL] City Championship." Willie looked at me and said "I was a freshman and I hit a light tower on the roof. I was too scared to move." Apparently they had to tell him to run. http://blog.detroitathletic.com/201...llie-hortons-monster-blast-at-briggs-stadium/

Thanks for the memories guys.

Next trip to Montreal is for mammories. It is scheduled.

 

[EagerBeaver]

hungry101,

At the very end of his career Bert Campaneris played for the 1983 Yankees, managed by none other than Billy Martin. As I recall he was a part time outfielder for the Yankees who did not play much but hit a career high .322.

Martin respected his fire.

 

[hungry101]

He was a short stop. Did he convert to OF at the end?

I remember the white shoes. I remember the white shoes as Angel Manguel charged the mound. We used to recreate this as kids.

Here is an excerpt. Campy was fined 500$ for throwing his bat. Ha!