Ask us anything part 3

[Fradi]

IDK about that. Most of the time I see women (including me) say we do our makeup for ourselves, not for guys. I do what I think looks good, and what makes me feel pretty!

This is what I think most women do and what they should be doing, what ever makes them feel better about themselves is what counts, if somebody doesn’t like it tough shit they can see someone else.
I think well applied make up can enhance a woman’s looks, but that doesn’t mean she is not attractive without it.
It is like clothes, some women can wear almost anything and look stunning others can buy the most expensive designer stuff and still look very ordinary.
Unfortunately like for all of us looking great is a combination of taking good care of yourself and also being blessed with being born with good looks.
One is not good without the other, one you can help the other is pure luck and genes.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

IDK about that. Most of the time I see women (including me) say we do our makeup for ourselves, not for guys. I do what I think looks good, and what makes me feel pretty!

Same here.. and honestly I'm not doing it to compete with other women.

I think it's really odd that so many men think women hate each other and are competing for their attention.. If anything I'm doing it more for women than men because women tend to appreciate makeup

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Forgive me for dragging this semi-old post back to life but I'm just catching up on this thread (there's so much good stuff in here lol).

I'm not actually sure if this question is trolling or not tbh. But just came here to say that there's like a huge variety of moistness of vaginas. Person to person, but then also time of month, age, stress level, etc.

he was absolutely trolling

 

[Michelle Gunn]

Just do you and your own thing and to Hell with anybody who doesn't like it.

This is good life advice that I've mostly lived by, however, us independents are each running a small business that feeds and houses us, so sometimes you have to make concessions to pay the rent.

 

[urquell]

This is good life advice that I've mostly lived by, however, us independents are each running a small business that feeds and houses us, so sometimes you have to make concessions to pay the rent.

There's some context spread over a few threads, and one of my threads got deleted for reasons unknown but long story short it comes down to: If you want more clients do what they're asking for (little or no makeup) or target your clients to reflect your preferences (less clients but better fit, and presumably experience). If you're shooting for the latter then do whatever you want and decide for yourself hpw big your boutique niche will be. You can also separate your personal esthetics from your business esthetics. In corporate speak they'd say adapted workplace behaviour. That's what they'd always tell me anyway. They'd also say that sometimes I didn't adapt enough. lol. I can't modify my behaviour enough to deal positively with the nitwits. I'd make a terrible SP.

 

[Magnifico2025]

Hi
My question is for agencies sp :
After meeting a new client do you write a review of him to the agency and what’s the points that you mention?

 

[Michelle Gunn]

There's some context spread over a few threads, and one of my threads got deleted for reasons unknown but long story short it comes down to: If you want more clients do what they're asking for (little or no makeup) or target your clients to reflect your preferences (less clients but better fit, and presumably experience). If you're shooting for the latter then do whatever you want and decide for yourself hpw big your boutique niche will be. You can also separate your personal esthetics from your business esthetics. In corporate speak they'd say adapted workplace behaviour. That's what they'd always tell me anyway. They'd also say that sometimes I didn't adapt enough. lol. I can't modify my behaviour enough to deal positively with the nitwits. I'd make a terrible SP.

Yes, I'm sure most of us adapt for the "workplace", but I'm not sure the few clients who participated in this thread are representative of my personal (or anyone else's) clientele. If I targeted my clients to reflect my preferences I'd be having better experiences ...probably, but definitely not making enough to make ends meet.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

This is good life advice that I've mostly lived by, however, us independents are each running a small business that feeds and houses us, so sometimes you have to make concessions to pay the rent.

I agree! But I also think it's true that we can't please everyone...

Yes, I'm sure most of us adapt for the "workplace", but I'm not sure the few clients who participated in this thread are representative of my personal (or anyone else's) clientele. If I targeted my clients to reflect my preferences I'd be having better experiences ...probably, but definitely not making enough to make ends meet.

That's why I'm wondering sometimes if asking questions to clients here is that great of an idea. I try to make conversation, but the vast majority of clients who participate actively in this forum are not my clientele, no matter how appealing I try to be to them.. I usually get booked by people who don't participate in the forum or only ever made a few posts..

I also agree that it's so hard to find a balance between reflecting who we are to attract the right clients for us, and wanting to please the most clients possible..... but I'm also realizing that there isn't a typical client, or that clients fall into different categories.. What I've noticed tho is that certain opinions here are more popular than others, yet they don't necessarily reflect what everyone else thinks. and the clients who have different opinions probably don't always feel comfortable to express them.

 

[Dr. Richard Kimball]

Has anyone ever brought to you an inexperienced person to be initiated. I have been told by 2 SPs that they have had several; brothers, cousins, friends bring someone to gain some experience.

 

[Enjoying life]

This is what I think most women do and what they should be doing, what ever makes them feel better about themselves is what counts, if somebody doesn’t like it tough shit they can see someone else.
I think well applied make up can enhance a woman’s looks, but that doesn’t mean she is not attractive without it.
It is like clothes, some women can wear almost anything and look stunning others can buy the most expensive designer stuff and still look very ordinary.
Unfortunately like for all of us looking great is a combination of taking good care of yourself and also being blessed with being born with good looks.
One is not good without the other, one you can help the other is pure luck and genes.

It’s great to have good genes thank God!

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Has anyone ever brought to you an inexperienced person to be initiated. I have been told by 2 SPs that they have had several; brothers, cousins, friends bring someone to gain some experience.

No, and if that happened I would refuse. I've had a few friends tell me that on their 18th birthday a father figure or older friend took them to see a SP and they were really traumatized and upset by the experience. If someone with little or no experience wants to book me, I will see them, but not if they are brought by someone else because the person could have been pressured. Consent is really important to me.

It’s great to have good genes thank God!

''Naturally beautiful'' is a social construct in my opinion.. I've always been told I was naturally beautiful but I still prefer wearing makeup when I see clients or when I go on a date or hang out with friends. I don't think women wear makeup because they are unattractive..... We wear makeup because yes on one hand it enhances our looks in a subtle way, but also because it's an art and can be part of a fashion style.

Also like I said earlier, makeup doesn't drastically change anybody's face at all unless they are a drag queen or using theater or drag makeup techniques which are extremely time consuming.

 

[Enjoying life]

No, and if that happened I would refuse. I've had a few friends tell me that on their 18th birthday a father figure or older friend took them to see a SP and they were really traumatized and upset by the experience. If someone with little or no experience wants to book me, I will see them, but not if they are brought by someone else because the person could have been pressured. Consent is really important to me.

''Naturally beautiful'' is a social construct in my opinion.. I've always been told I was naturally beautiful but I still prefer wearing makeup when I see clients or when I go on a date or hang out with friends. I don't think women wear makeup because they are unattractive..... We wear makeup because yes on one hand it enhances our looks in a subtle way, but also because it's an art and can be part of a fashion style.

Also like I said earlier, makeup doesn't drastically change anybody's face at all unless they are a drag queen or using theater or drag makeup techniques which are extremely time consuming.

Especially you have beautiful blue eyes so it just adds to your attractiveness

 

[Jaxan]

That's why I'm wondering sometimes if asking questions to clients here is that great of an idea. I try to make conversation, but the vast majority of clients who participate actively in this forum are not my clientele, no matter how appealing I try to be to them.. I usually get booked by people who don't participate in the forum or only ever made a few posts..

I also agree that it's so hard to find a balance between reflecting who we are to attract the right clients for us, and wanting to please the most clients possible..... but I'm also realizing that there isn't a typical client, or that clients fall into different categories.. What I've noticed tho is that certain opinions here are more popular than others, yet they don't necessarily reflect what everyone else thinks. and the clients who have different opinions probably don't always feel comfortable to express them.

Thats probably because the active members here represent a very small percentage of the overall population of potential clients out there.

 

[urquell]

Yes, I'm sure most of us adapt for the "workplace", but I'm not sure the few clients who participated in this thread are representative of my personal (or anyone else's) clientele. If I targeted my clients to reflect my preferences I'd be having better experiences ...probably, but definitely not making enough to make ends meet.

It's true that the people here aren't representative of your regular clientele, but they don't need to be in this example, since the preferences aren't tied to hobbying in general, but rather to an overall gender perspective. Whether men prefer makeup or not isn't tied to whether they're mongers or not (or tats, piercings, fake boobs, whatever), but rather what the general group of men prefer, of which hobbyists are a small subset. They're probably still reflective of the whole though. As I mentioned before, you decide how big you want your boutique to be and adjust accordingly to bring enough feet to your door. I have absolutely no idea what that means in your case, or Luna's, or anyone else's, just that it's an individual choice. Still, the more direct information you have from the market the better informed you are about what choices you should be making. There's no right or wrong here.

 

[Michelle Gunn]

It's true that the people here aren't representative of your regular clientele, but they don't need to be in this example, since the preferences aren't tied to hobbying in general, but rather to an overall gender perspective. Whether men prefer makeup or not isn't tied to whether they're mongers or not (or tats, piercings, fake boobs, whatever), but rather what the general group of men prefer, of which hobbyists are a small subset. They're probably still reflective of the whole though. As I mentioned before, you decide how big you want your boutique to be and adjust accordingly to bring enough feet to your door. I have absolutely no idea what that means in your case, or Luna's, or anyone else's, just that it's an individual choice. Still, the more direct information you have from the market the better informed you are about what choices you should be making. There's no right or wrong here.

ok well with a sample size of like 6 (?), no one should use this for a statistical analysis.

 

[urquell]

ok well with a sample size of like 6 (?), no one should use this for a statistical analysis.

Not if you're only counting MERB men, but the evidence is available in numerous studies tied to men at large. Anyway, it doesn't really matter, as everyone will do what they want to do anyway and I don't want to suck up too much oxygen on this. I'll just say again that there's no right or wrong way to go.

 

[Michelle Gunn]

Not if you're only counting MERB men, but the evidence is available in numerous studies tied to men at large. Anyway, it doesn't really matter, as everyone will do what they want to do anyway and I don't want to suck up too much oxygen on this. I'll just say again that there's no right or wrong way to go.

Agree. Cite your sources or back away from the microphone.

 

[urquell]

Agree. Cite your sources or back away from the microphone.

I can't be bothered to invest the time, honestly. I'm not managing a business tied to the issue, and not managing anyone's preferences but my own, so I don't really care much. It's pretty well known anecdotally. If someone else wants to do the heavy liftng then more power to them.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Especially you have beautiful blue eyes so it just adds to your attractiveness

That's really kind of you to say!

Thats probably because the active members here represent a very small percentage of the overall population of potential clients out there.

That's very true. And a lot of the active members seem to favor agencies and parlor over indies and seem to have certain opinions about rates and looks.......

 

[Lunaseraphim]

It's true that the people here aren't representative of your regular clientele, but they don't need to be in this example, since the preferences aren't tied to hobbying in general, but rather to an overall gender perspective. Whether men prefer makeup or not isn't tied to whether they're mongers or not (or tats, piercings, fake boobs, whatever), but rather what the general group of men prefer, of which hobbyists are a small subset. They're probably still reflective of the whole though. As I mentioned before, you decide how big you want your boutique to be and adjust accordingly to bring enough feet to your door. I have absolutely no idea what that means in your case, or Luna's, or anyone else's, just that it's an individual choice. Still, the more direct information you have from the market the better informed you are about what choices you should be making. There's no right or wrong here.

just a reminder that not all clients view themselves as ''hobbyists'' and a LOT of clients have only seen escorts a few times, only hire escorts on occasion, only see an escort or two after a traumatic incident or during a period of grief, or see the same person all the time. that includes inactive members of this board who are just using it to see if someone is legit or not or looking at ads. i'd say most of my clients are not men who consider themselves ''hobbyists'' and they tend to have slightly different reasons for seeing escorts. I've met some clients who were active on this board and they are lovely tho

also studies are often unreliable, are based on a certain demographic only (for example mostly middle class white men from a certain geographic area) or are reflective of popular beliefs of the time. what's considered attractive now isn't what was considered attractive 20 years ago. and a lot of it is psychological.. for example a lot of clients may say they don't like fake boobs but they might not even realize that someone has them because results look and feel very natural now.