You mean like they went through the roof last year? And since when are you a Blue Jays fan? Frankly, I don't see the Jays emptying their farm system for him. I do see the Mariners making a strong bid for him.
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David Price is ranked as the 6th best pitcher in all of baseball, If I was the Blue Jays I would empty the farm, he is in his prime and would pay instant dividends and would make them instant contenders.
http://espn.go.com/fantasy/baseball...on-kershaw-leads-pitcher-rankings-2014-season
BTW- I am a fan of 29 teams except one, can you guess which one.
http://espn.go.com/fantasy/baseball...on-kershaw-leads-pitcher-rankings-2014-season
BTW- I am a fan of 29 teams except one, can you guess which one.
:lol:Failed Sports Post of the Year:
Question: "Where is the joy in that?" Answer: $240 Million. A pure example of the disconnection within Yankees fan entitlement. Cano is obviously no Pedroia who gave a big home town discount to stay and play in BOSTON.
What a great call by the all-wise never admit you're WRONG Beav on this one. :yield: Now that Cano is gone I can't wait for the inevitable stubborn hard-headed defense of this FAILURE. Yes, I still hate long term contracts, but this trade-off of Ellsbury versus Cano is a major CASHMAN FAILURE.
Robinson Cano headed to Mariners: 10 years, $240 million
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-240-million-agreement-jay-z-yankees/3890419/
Robinson Cano is headed to the Seattle Mariners, agreeing to terms on a 10-year, $240 million contract, according to a person with direct knowledge of the negotiations.
The person spoke to USA TODAY Sports on condition of anonymity because the deal has not been announced.
The agreement comes just hours after talks between Cano, his representative Jay-Z, and the Mariners broke down when the hip-hop mogul asked for a 10th year from the Mariners.
Reading the posts last night it was clear Yankees fans just don't get it. All this chest thumping over which team makes the most money and no connection between the ears of how that has no correlation to winning a World Series as amply proven by the $2.3 billion Yankees for 13 years versus the Red Sox who have won 3 World Series while being worth $1.4 billion compered to the Yankees and 1 World Series win...also versus 4 World Series appearances and 2 Championships by the St. Louis Cardinals at $715 million, less than a 3rd of the Yankees value. Well despite all that money at hand the Yankees gain a mutli-tool player with terrific skills and potential, but frequently hurt while losing a Hall of Fame more productive player who is rarely hurt making the team worse off than before.
If you'd rather get off on counting money totals that aren't yours Yankees fans win by a mile. But when it comes to championships...peeeeeuuuuuu. The Yankees have spent a rounded $2.4 billion since 2001 while the Sox have spent 1.7 billion, a value per Championship of $2.4 billion for New York versus $567 million for Boston. That's less than 1/4 the cost for the Red Sox, and right now the Yankees are weaker in production potential and still desperate for pitching since finishing in 3rd in 2013.
http://www.stevetheump.com/Payrolls.htm#2012payroll
The size of your wallet means NOTHING if you don't use it wisely, and now Granderson's average of 30 HRs per year is gone too. Way to go Cashman.
What a grave indication for the Yankees when even their habitually blind super fan goes running to the last place Blue Jays.
You mean use Cashman's failed methods. :lol:
You Go Joe, :eyebrows:
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Good luck with that. My expectation is that we've seen the last of the Beav for a spell. Unless, of course, he can manage to come up with one of his signature lame rationalizations.
What is obvious to me is that Cano had waaaay to much pride, guts and determination to fall for Cashman's low-balling. Rather than squeeze Cano, Cashdollar chased his best player out of town.
Speaking pride, guts and determination, how about that Pedroia, giving the Sox an amazing bargain, primarily to make sure the club retained enough money to build a winner...and build a winner they sure did.
I hope I'm wrong about this one....
And seriously..this is the best that we can do ??
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I also don't see David Price winding up in Toronto. TB is simply asking too much for him. I see him going to Seattle, which might actually happen after getting Robbie Cano inked to that big contract.
Some see the Jays going after Johan Santana, but i can't see it happening. He'll likely go to the highest bidder, which won't be Toronto.
I actually see Toronto making a serious pitch at Tanaka if he's made available. This way, they won't have to sell the farm to get a possible top-notch pitcher. All he'll cost the organization is the money part, not all their top prospects plus the cash that will be required to re-sign him. There's also no guarantee he'd re-sign with them.
Some see the Jays going after Johan Santana, but i can't see it happening. He'll likely go to the highest bidder, which won't be Toronto.
I actually see Toronto making a serious pitch at Tanaka if he's made available. This way, they won't have to sell the farm to get a possible top-notch pitcher. All he'll cost the organization is the money part, not all their top prospects plus the cash that will be required to re-sign him. There's also no guarantee he'd re-sign with them.
Somebody commented on Twitter that the Cano deal was not the worst deal given to an ex-Yankee today. Jim Bowden (ESPN) projected Grandy to get 3 and $48. 4 and $60 isn't that much different.
Even though a bad deal in my opinion, at least the Grandy one isn't for 10 years.
Question: Is there a single 10-year deal that has worked out? Most teams seem to regret them after a few years.
The Yankees signed Dave Winfield to a 10 year deal in 1980. They got 8 good years out of him. He was fair in year 9, got off to a bad start in year 10 and was traded, only to bounce back and have a good year with Anaheim. The Yankees, however, only got to the World Series once in his 9+ years with them and lost to the Dodgers. Winfield still had a couple of good years in him and, as I'm sure you know, got his ring in Toronto in 1992.
Texas Rangers sign J.P. Arencibia
Former Blue Jays’ catcher J.P. Arencibia has signed with the Texas Rangers, according to the Dallas Morning News.
Terms of the deal, which has not been officially announced by the club, are reported to be one year and between $1 and $2 million. Arencibia was projected to receive $2.5 to $2.8 million in arbitration, so his contract could also include incentives to bump him into that range.
The Rangers were close to trading for Arencibia earlier this week before Monday’s midnight deadline to offer contracts to arbitration-eligible players. When a deal could not be reached and the Jays declined to make Arencibia an offer themselves, he became a free agent.
He’ll likely serve as the backup to Rangers’ catcher, Geovany Soto.
Arencibia, who turns 28 next month, was once considered to be the Jays’ catcher of the future but struggled mightily last season when — by every measure other than home runs — he was the worst starting catcher in the majors, both offensively and defensively.
His .258 career on-base percentage is the second-worst among non-pitchers with at least 1,200 plate appearances in the last 20 years.
But he does have impressive and rare power for a catcher, having hit 62 home runs over the last three seasons, fifth most among catchers over that span.
He also has a whopping seven home runs and a remarkable 1.040 On-base Plus Slugging (OPS) in just 11 career games at the Rangers’ home ballpark in Arlington, something Rangers’ GM Jon Daniels must have noticed.
J.P. Arencibia signs with Texas
Good for J.P. He'll be closer to his home and most importantly, closer to his future wife, who happens to be the lead singer of country group "The Band Perry" ("If I Die Young").
Former Blue Jays’ catcher J.P. Arencibia has signed with the Texas Rangers, according to the Dallas Morning News.
Terms of the deal, which has not been officially announced by the club, are reported to be one year and between $1 and $2 million. Arencibia was projected to receive $2.5 to $2.8 million in arbitration, so his contract could also include incentives to bump him into that range.
The Rangers were close to trading for Arencibia earlier this week before Monday’s midnight deadline to offer contracts to arbitration-eligible players. When a deal could not be reached and the Jays declined to make Arencibia an offer themselves, he became a free agent.
He’ll likely serve as the backup to Rangers’ catcher, Geovany Soto.
Arencibia, who turns 28 next month, was once considered to be the Jays’ catcher of the future but struggled mightily last season when — by every measure other than home runs — he was the worst starting catcher in the majors, both offensively and defensively.
His .258 career on-base percentage is the second-worst among non-pitchers with at least 1,200 plate appearances in the last 20 years.
But he does have impressive and rare power for a catcher, having hit 62 home runs over the last three seasons, fifth most among catchers over that span.
He also has a whopping seven home runs and a remarkable 1.040 On-base Plus Slugging (OPS) in just 11 career games at the Rangers’ home ballpark in Arlington, something Rangers’ GM Jon Daniels must have noticed.
J.P. Arencibia signs with Texas
Good for J.P. He'll be closer to his home and most importantly, closer to his future wife, who happens to be the lead singer of country group "The Band Perry" ("If I Die Young").
The Yankees have their second baseman!
They've just signed former Jays/Rays/Diamondbacks second baseman Kelly Johnson to a 1-year contract.
They've just signed former Jays/Rays/Diamondbacks second baseman Kelly Johnson to a 1-year contract.
The Yankees actually offered Cano more money on an annual basis - an average of $25 million per. What Seattle offered was 3 extra years and $65 million more in total value. This is the crazy part of the deal. There is no way Cano will play out the contract in Seattle, in fact odds are he will be traded within 3 years at most. Probably back to the Yankees with Seattle eating most of the contact, a la Vernon Wells with the Angels.
Blowing it out your butt again, eh, Beav. It's actually tough to trade a guy with a full no-trade contract. You should pay attention to stuff, no? Personally, I'd never hire an attorney who ignores the small print.
And the extra money, but less per year isn't crazy at all. The $65 is guaranteed; who knows what he'd get, if anything, seven years down the road. Also, your "brilliant squeeze play" was actually taken as an insult, as it should have been. The Yankees probably could have had him for 8/200 before he'd even spoken with Seattle. Cashman fucks it up again. All these signings and the Yankees appear to be even weaker than they were last year. They need pitching. They need a left side of the infield. They need a DH. They need a bullpen. They need a real second baseman. Their best player, their one star, is gone.
You never heard of a waiver of a no trade clause? If Cano doesn't like it there and Seattle sucks, he will be more than happy to waive it. Numerous players have gotten traded to the Yankees after waiving a trade limitation provision. Players who usually just wanted to win later in their careers.
Why should Cano care as long as someone is paying the contract? No trade clauses just give you the power to control trades, it doesn't stop them. Duh!!
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And, of course, any player with pride, guts and determination (and a will to get knocked out of the playoffs in the first round) wants to wear pinstripes, eh, Beav?
Actually, the odds of the Yankees sucking over the next 3-4 years is much greater than that of Seattle. The Yankees have a ton of money to spend, while the Mariners have a ton of money to spend AND a farm system.
Go bet some money on that statement right now. Go bet your savings that the Mariners will have a better record in the next 3 years. You are way too much of a sniveling wimp to do it.
Let's see what else the Mariners do. One thing we do know is that Jack Z. is a whole lot smarter than Brian Cashdollar, has a better farm system, and can go $ to $ with him. Actually, he can go better than that this year since he has no need to stay under a salary threshold, nor does he have a barrel full of shitty contracts.
It's just reported, really within the last three minutes, that the Red Sox and Mike Napoli have come to terms. No details yet.
Update: Mike Napoli will get $32 over 2 years. Like Pedroia and Pierzynski, Napoli left money on the table, taking less to play for a champion.
Update: Mike Napoli will get $32 over 2 years. Like Pedroia and Pierzynski, Napoli left money on the table, taking less to play for a champion.
And now Beltran's a Yankee. Another move I don't understand. They now have 6 outfielders. My guess is they cut Wells and keep Ichiro as a fourth outfielder, making Soriano the DH. The wrinkle here is that the move, again, doesn't fill a need. Doesn't fix the infield holes or the many holes in the pitching staff. There's no place for Jeter to DH is he can't play shortstop. No DH time for A-Rod, if he's on the squad.
Yes, he's still a good hitter, but who's gonna do the pitching. If they're serious about the $189 M thing, they're probably out of money and they verrrrry little pitching.
A couple of reactions from Twitter:
Emma Span @emmaspan 10m
Oh, did you guys not see that part of the new CBA where, starting in 2014, the team with the most outfielders gets the wild card?
Hunter Felt @HunterFelt 8m
Do the New York Yankees have any clue what their actual lineup needs are? They are solving problems they don't have.
Craig Miller @Craigslist_26 4m
@jay_jaffe that much faith in Jeter rebounding?
Ken Davidoff @KenDavidoff 6m
So as far as I can tell, the #Yankees' strategy this winter is: Go overboard for everyone besides Robinson Cano.
Yes, he's still a good hitter, but who's gonna do the pitching. If they're serious about the $189 M thing, they're probably out of money and they verrrrry little pitching.
A couple of reactions from Twitter:
Emma Span @emmaspan 10m
Oh, did you guys not see that part of the new CBA where, starting in 2014, the team with the most outfielders gets the wild card?
Hunter Felt @HunterFelt 8m
Do the New York Yankees have any clue what their actual lineup needs are? They are solving problems they don't have.
Craig Miller @Craigslist_26 4m
@jay_jaffe that much faith in Jeter rebounding?
Ken Davidoff @KenDavidoff 6m
So as far as I can tell, the #Yankees' strategy this winter is: Go overboard for everyone besides Robinson Cano.
I will take that career .283 BA for a power hitter heading to Yankee stadium any day of the week, I love this signing, he also made the All Star team the past two seasons, 30 plus HR is almost a given.
Jim Duquette and C.J Nitkowski love the signing.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb...md=20131206&content_id=64465326&vkey=news_mlb
Jim Duquette and C.J Nitkowski love the signing.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb...md=20131206&content_id=64465326&vkey=news_mlb
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