Being a masseuse: easy money?

[sexslave]

As a massage aficionados since 30 years I can appreciate a good massage and an honest service.

I enjoy once in a while other kinds of meeting but for me nothing beats the MP experience. It’s very personnal.

BUt since the last two years I see a steep increase in prices for a service simply going down hill. This is bad for the masseuses in the long run since they will have less clients. You can fuck me once with a mediocre service... not twice.

Before the covid épisode I was in a salon having paid for 60 minutes. After 10 min, the lady was ready to the main thing without transition and presented a menu at prices simply ridiculous. I simply told her that I would enjoy her massage some more and that at the end i will have a basic attention. She went mad and told me that I am a bad client.... I learnt later that this was her second week and so far she did not have repeat customers. Since I am well known at that place the boss knew that my comment were honest and he gave me another appointment with a rookie.

Conclusion? If the lady’s are jacking up the prices while providing bad service, they will loose a lot of business and easy money.

I am already sticking to the MP I know. I don’t take any chance with lady’s without a good track record.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

As a massage aficionados since 30 years I can appreciate a good massage and an honest service.

I enjoy once in a while other kinds of meeting but for me nothing beats the MP experience. It’s very personnal.

BUt since the last two years I see a steep increase in prices for a service simply going down hill. This is bad for the masseuses in the long run since they will have less clients. You can fuck me once with a mediocre service... not twice.

Before the covid épisode I was in a salon having paid for 60 minutes. After 10 min, the lady was ready to the main thing without transition and presented a menu at prices simply ridiculous. I simply told her that I would enjoy her massage some more and that at the end i will have a basic attention. She went mad and told me that I am a bad client.... I learnt later that this was her second week and so far she did not have repeat customers. Since I am well known at that place the boss knew that my comment were honest and he gave me another appointment with a rookie.

Conclusion? If the lady’s are jacking up the prices while providing bad service, they will loose a lot of business and easy money.

I am already sticking to the MP I know. I don’t take any chance with lady’s without a good track record.

I kinda agree with most of your statements there but the one I totally disagree with is when you say "...they will loose a lot of business and easy money". Easy money? You clearly don't know what it takes to be able to do this kind of work. I mean, just giving a plain massage to the average john can sometimes be challenging in terms of given attitude, rudeness or even worst...hygiene! So imagine providing more intimate services, obviously you never had an honest conversation about this, with a provider, or you just don't care.

 

[sene5hos]

I kinda agree with most of your statements there but the one I totally disagree with is when you say "...they will loose a lot of business and easy money". Easy money? You clearly don't know what it takes to be able to do this kind of work. I mean, just giving a plain massage to the average john can sometimes be challenging in terms of given attitude, rudeness or even worst...hygiene! So imagine providing more intimate services, obviously you never had an honest conversation about this, with a provider, or you just don't care.

Jupiter, I like your reflection.
When I started out in the hobby I only saw masseuses. I tried several parlours, to adopt one. So a few that I have come across often.

I can say that it is not easy money, especially when you have 2 clients consecutively requesting a massage where strength is important.
When the masseuse has clients who have forgotten their hygiene or their good breath, at home.

I have a lot of admiration for all these women.

 

[sexslave]

I kinda agree with most of your statements there but the one I totally disagree with is when you say "...they will loose a lot of business and easy money". Easy money? You clearly don't know what it takes to be able to do this kind of work. I mean, just giving a plain massage to the average john can sometimes be challenging in terms of given attitude, rudeness or even worst...hygiene! So imagine providing more intimate services, obviously you never had an honest conversation about this, with a provider, or you just don't care.

Well.... I am a client and I don’t care about how they run their business. If they meet a rude client, they are free not to offer any kind of extra services.

And I add that they are making easy money. Most of them are in this trade because the money is very good. Otherwise they would be flipping hamburgers or doing housekeeping at a hotel on st Jacques st.

 

[sene5hos]

I tend to agree with Jupiter9.

I've met a lot of them before, and I'm still friends with a few who have told me that customers are rare.

Most of them are in this business because they need it.

Your judgment is very radical.

 

[sexslave]

I tend to agree with Jupiter9.

I've met a lot of them before, and I'm still friends with a few who have told me that customers are rare.

Most of them are in this business because they need it.

Your judgment is very radical.

My judgment might be radical in your point of view but it’s the truth.

Like you I met a lot of them and I can tell you that some of them made a lot of money. So much that today they have many rental properties. They still work in the biz because.... it’s easy money.

They even told me that most of their clients are not as rich as they are. I believe them when you consider that the average household revenu in Montreal is around 50,000$ gross a year and that a masseuse can earn a lot more.... clear of all income taxes. [...]

And I can tell you that many of them are currently receiving the Trudeau pack (2000$/month) while working in the salon. And many of them did work non stop in april and may... including some lady’s advertising on this board. I can personally confirm this fact if you know what I mean.

They might be in this business because they need the quick and easy money and I understand that. I would doubt very much they are in this biz only for the fun of satisfying horny guys in need of relief.

They are working in that biz for the same reason we all work: money.

Like the ladys in the biz I am sometimes reluctant to do my job. But I do it because I get paid for and to get the job done. That’s it, that’s all.

 

[CLOUD 500]

BUt since the last two years I see a steep increase in prices for a service simply going down hill. This is bad for the masseuses in the long run since they will have less clients. You can fuck me once with a mediocre service... not twice.

Before the covid épisode I was in a salon having paid for 60 minutes. After 10 min, the lady was ready to the main thing without transition and presented a menu at prices simply ridiculous. I simply told her that I would enjoy her massage some more and that at the end i will have a basic attention. She went mad and told me that I am a bad client.... I learnt later that this was her second week and so far she did not have repeat customers. Since I am well known at that place the boss knew that my comment were honest and he gave me another appointment with a rookie.

I am already sticking to the MP I know. I don’t take any chance with lady’s without a good track record.

The way I see it and especially true since covid the MPs are taking advantage of SCs being hit hard by government rules and bars closing. A lot of horny singles out there. The last few times I went it was very busy with many young guys. I expected lots of men in their 50's but instead saw many in their 20s and 30s. Having said the MP is taking their cut plus the masseuse. They are capitalizing. MPs are given a free pass the government has largely left them alone and these guys need to unload badly. I do not think at all they are loosing money not everyone is on Merb. Merb clients are spoiled we are used to another level of service. And one last thing this is definitely not easy money it is indeed fast money.

 

[mr_scorpio]

Well.... I am a client and I don’t care about how they run their business. If they meet a rude client, they are free not to offer any kind of extra services.

And I add that they are making easy money. Most of them are in this trade because the money is very good. Otherwise they would be flipping hamburgers or doing housekeeping at a hotel on st Jacques st.

No it is not easy money. I have come to know many ladies in this business over the years. They are not doing this for love of sex. They choose this because it pays better than flipping burgers and the hours are flexible and many other reasons as well. But it is not easy for them to share intimacy with strangers. It is not easy for them to hide what they do from family and friends. It is not easy on their morale. It is not easy to deal with customers who are complete assholes. It is not easy to make appointments and client does not show up and time is wasted. This happens at least 1-3 times each day. And whether its escorting or massage it is physically demanding as well. Some days there may be no customers or very few so they sit and wait for nothing. Not every woman is capable of doing this for both psychological and physical reasons. Some offer amazing service and some offer terrible service. It's always been that way. You have to do your homework beforehand. Those that offer good service tend to pick and choose their customers, and don't necessarily accept everyone that calls to make an appointment. It's a job and if they are indy they don't just sit around, they answer the phone all day long. Many people call for info but only a few make appointments. Just like any other business. So no it's not easy money, they work hard for it !

 

[CLOUD 500]

And I can tell you that many of them are currently receiving the Trudeau pack (2000$/month) while working in the salon. And many of them did work non stop in april and may... including some lady’s advertising on this board. I can personally confirm this fact if you know what I mean.

They might be in this business because they need the quick and easy money and I understand that. I would doubt very much they are in this biz only for the fun of satisfying horny guys in need of relief.

See that is why I said fast money but not easy. It takes a special type of person to be able to do this kind of thing or even escorting and since the cash is tax free for sure they took CERB. But it is kind of difficult to buy property if your income is not declared and you got no credit. A lot of these girls got no or bad credit. I do not call $50,000 a year rich at all and not like this is long term. These girls do it short term.

 

[sexslave]

No it is not easy money. I have come to know many ladies in this business over the years. They are not doing this for love of sex. They choose this because it pays better than flipping burgers and the hours are flexible and many other reasons as well. But it is not easy for them to share intimacy with strangers. It is not easy for them to hide what they do from family and friends. It is not easy on their morale. It is not easy to deal with customers who are complete assholes. It is not easy to make appointments and client does not show up and time is wasted. This happens at least 1-3 times each day. And whether its escorting or massage it is physically demanding as well. Some days there may be no customers or very few so they sit and wait for nothing. Not every woman is capable of doing this for both psychological and physical reasons. Some offer amazing service and some offer terrible service. It's always been that way. You have to do your homework beforehand. Those that offer good service tend to pick and choose their customers, and don't necessarily accept everyone that calls to make an appointment. It's a job and if they are indy they don't just sit around, they answer the phone all day long. Many people call for info but only a few make appointments. Just like any other business. So no it's not easy money, they work hard for it !

Like the sex workers, i did choose my professional activity because it pays better than flipping burgers. I had to invest a lot to have access to my profession.

Like the sex workers, I have to deal with assholes, clients don’t always show up and at the end of the day I am also exhausted physically and psychologically. It’s part of my job and I do it everyday rain or shine.

And my clients don’t pay me cash on the spot. I have to fight sometimes to get my money and I have to pays my income taxes and a hell lot of administrative fees to my professional order and the government like RAMQ and CSST to name just a few.

So when I compare the money they make to what an average joe earn, yes we can say that the have access to easy, fast and no tax money.

Average household income is 50000$ in Montreal. This is before income taxes. A sex worker doing an average job in a massage Parlour sees 4 clients a day @ 150$ each 5 days a week. They are in the salon 10 hours a day but are really working 4 hours. This is 3,000$ a week net of all taxes. In one week they earn what a household earns in a month.

Now tell me this is not easy money.

 

[CLOUD 500]

^^^^^
The money you make contributes to your pension. You also probably got paid vacation and paid sick days. I am sure you have a guaranteed salary plus commission I do not know what kind of work you do. These girls got to pay to work and make nothing unless they get a client. It is all commission. Their income is not guaranteed they could go a day without getting a single client. Imagine just living day to day not ever knowing how much money you will make. Zero security. Your assumptions are very incorrect.

 

[sexslave]

^^^^^
The money you make contributes to your pension. You also probably got paid vacation and paid sick days. I am sure you have a guaranteed salary plus commission I do not know what kind of work you do. These girls got to pay to work and make nothing unless they get a client. It is all commission. Their income is not guaranteed they could go a day without getting a single client. Imagine just living day to day not ever knowing how much money you will make. Zero security. Your assumptions are very incorrect.

I’am sorry cloud 500 but I absolutely have no guaranteed income. No client is no money for me.

Concerning your comment about pension and fringe benefits, you can add them to the average joe salary and after taxes he is still not at 3,000$ net a week for a full time job. At an average of 4 clients a day, 5 days per week this makes 3,000$ a week, 40 weeks a year a sex worker earns 120,000$ net of all taxes.

Compare this with the average house hold(two income mostly) annual income of around 50,000$ gross which is equivalent to 36 to 40,000$ for 48 weeks of full time work.... even if you include the fringe benefits you’re gonna be far from the 120,000$ earned by the prostitute.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

I’am sorry cloud 500 but I absolutely have no guaranteed income. No client is no money for me.

Concerning your comment about pension and fringe benefits, you can add them to the average joe salary and after taxes he is still not at 3,000$ net a week for a full time job. At an average of 4 clients a day, 5 days per week this makes 3,000$ a week, 40 weeks a year a sex worker earns 120,000$ net of all taxes.

Compare this with the average house hold(two income mostly) annual income of around 50,000$ gross which is equivalent to 36 to 40,000$ for 48 weeks of full time work.... even if you include the fringe benefits you’re gonna be far from the 120,000$ earned by the prostitute.

Still not easy money, quick but not easy at all.

 

[sexslave]

Still VERY easy and VERY quick money.

And a hell lot of money given the professional or technical curriculum needed for the job.

It’s so financially interesting that we never had a shortage of hookers. But we don’t have enough workers in the CHSLD.

Compare what they do and the pay ....

Money money.....

 

[Forensic05]

you can't calculate the income like that... some day you have 4 client other you have only one or none... you can't make an average like that. And those people paid some tax too... like all of us who have buisness, yes we have "creative" accountant but at the end of the day we pay taxes.

This job is tough, it's hard to deal with disrespecful strangers, it's hard to put your boundaries everyday with people who don't give a damn about you. Seriously educate yourself and have some empathy for those MPA.

 

[LeafsSuck]

So I'm I wrong to simply step away and go elsewhere like someone recommended?
Should I simply go to indy or escorts? Even if I'm only in the mood for a tug or just a massage?

Let me get back to OP's original question.
You are right go somewhere else. I don't mind paying for the room up front but never the tip.
Don't go indy or escort route if you just want a massage or a tug. This is not what they are good at. They are better at FS and other things .
If you want a good massage and tug, read the reviews, message experienced guys on the board. There are better salons other than the ones you mentioned where you don't have to pay everything up front.

 

[sene5hos]

Still VERY easy and VERY quick money.

And a hell lot of money given the professional or technical curriculum needed for the job.

It’s so financially interesting that we never had a shortage of hookers. But we don’t have enough workers in the CHSLD.

Compare what they do and the pay ....

Money money.....

Don't forget that we are talking about masseuses.

You said theories only in relation to you, while here on several merbites have spoken, and come to a conclusion contrary to you.

Funny, but a lot of masseuses have told me that at least half of their clients have bad breath, and even without kissing, imagine the breath.

And I'm not talking about cleanliness and hygiene. Guys want to empty their balls that's all.

I will tend to have empathy, because undergoing this kind of behavior having in their pockets that on average not 100/h (she had one customer in a day, she had 100$) Excuse me for the confusion. I find it almost pathetic, they have no choice, they need this money.

 

[sexslave]

you can't calculate the income like that... some day you have 4 client other you have only one or none... you can't make an average like that. And those people paid some tax too... like all of us who have buisness, yes we have "creative" accountant but at the end of the day we pay taxes.

This job is tough, it's hard to deal with disrespecful strangers, it's hard to put your boundaries everyday with people who don't give a damn about you. Seriously educate yourself and have some empathy for those MPA.

How do you calculate your income?

Tell me how it is different from many entrepreneurs ?

Some day I don’t have a single’ client. Some day I have many. I can make an average and 100% of my revenues are subject’ to the tax man. It is not the case of the sex workers.

I am very well educated and have’ empathy as much as anybody else. But I do believe that the sex workers are making easy, fast and mostly not taxable money.

I also do believe that most of the SWorkers are I the biz because of the easy, fast and non taxable money and that they earn a lot more than the average househoold. Otherwise they would do something else like nursing in a CHSLD.

 

[sexslave]

Don't forget that we are talking about masseuses.

You said theories only in relation to you, while here on several merbites have spoken, and come to a conclusion contrary to you.

Funny, but a lot of masseuses have told me that at least half of their clients have bad breath, and even without kissing, imagine the breath.

And I'm not talking about cleanliness and hygiene. Guys want to empty their balls that's all.

I will tend to have empathy, because undergoing this kind of behavior having in their pockets that on average $100/h, I find it almost pathetic, they have no choice, they need this money.

Please, can you tell us how much an hour makes a CHSLD worker cleaning shit all day, supporting the bad breath of the elderly ?

I read somewhere 22$ before taxes. Compare this to the MPA at, your number, 100$ an hour net of all taxes.

Are you implying that the workers in the CHSLD work in such a tough job because, unlike the MPA, they don’t need as much money ?

 

[mr_scorpio]

Please, can you tell us how much an hour makes a CHSLD worker cleaning shit all day, supporting the bad breath of the elderly ?

I read somewhere 22$ before taxes. Compare this to the MPA at, your number, 100$ an hour net of all taxes.

Are you implying that the workers in the CHSLD work in such a tough job because, unlike the MPA, they don’t need as much money ?

MP's in a parlor are not making $100/hr. Unless they are indy they must give $50-$60 to the house. Most clients at a massage place just opt for the hj so thats on average a $40 tip... So the lady is getting $40 for the average client. Some days she may get 4-5 clients and others days zero or 1. In a week they will make anywhere from $500-$1000 depending on options and number of clients. No No one is making $3000/week in this business nowadays.. This is very rare. Maybe in demand porn stars thats about it. Sex work is not glorious and is not something they will talk about with family and friends. There is a great social stigma about this and it is hard on the psyche. The CHSLD work is thankless work which they can be proud of and feel no shame about it. They can count on a steady and consistent paycheque and a sw cannot. There are numerous fiscal disadvantages to sw. I don't need to name them since i'm sure you already know. CHSLD workers are not paid enough for what they do and neither are teachers and many other professions, but that is the nature of our capitalist economy.