Being a masseuse: easy money?

[CLOUD 500]

And please, don’t put words in my mouth. I ALWAYS said easy MONEY. I never said easy JOB.

Looool Now you are playing with words. That is manipulation. Easy Job = Easy Money. I am not sure of your intention here but maybe I am wrong but I suspect your first language is French based on how you are writing it might explain some things as to why you are not understanding at all.

 

[sexslave]

Sexslave, easy money implies easy job. Nobody just hands you money for doing nothing. THAT would be easy money. Everything else isn't. No job is EASY money. No job is EASY.

Your said ladies in the thread say they prefer sex-work to full-time nursing, which is a valid choice given how little paid nurses are (which is a shame really) for the work they actually do. Perhaps sex work is easier for them, but it doesn't mean again that it's an easy job/money,

As for your comparison to airline pilots, I find that interesting. Do you think we have stable hours daily/weekly? You don't think there are periods in a year where the bookings don't come in or barely do? Such as Christmas, tax-season, back to school... where people have less discretionary income than they normally do. Now also, during COVID many pilots are out of a job due to no demand in travelling. You don't think this translates to sexwork? Men forced to work at home aka no excuse to meet, no more business travels, less money, scared of getting sick...You don't think this makes it slow and brings many days/weeks without bookings?

I have never said it is HARD work for me. Knowing personally and having met tons of sex workers, reading books and listening to podcasts on the topic. I know for a fact it's not easy money nor an easy job. You simply base your opinion on stigma, a few lady friends and your perception as a client.

First of all, you don't know how much a sex worker make. Considering I am thin (albeit rather muscular), conventionally attractive and young, I know I probably make more than 90% of my colleagues. But I know the majority don't come close to making the said 3K you have mentioned. Also, we might be working a few hours in the week for a good hourly rate, but that doesn't even begin to cover the amount of work we have to do in order to get those bookings. Writing ads, posting ads, answering many emails/messages on multiple platforms, creating content. That doesn't count the hours I have to spend in the gym, cooking, doing my nails, my hair, etc to ensure I look good and up to the standard people expect from me.

You can freely express yourself, I never said you couldn't. But you choose to actively ignore the comments of the very people you discuss about / hire.

I don’t base my comment on stigma. I have an opinion and share it like you do.

Since you talk about airlines pilots, like you they have a very’ variable schedules and a lot of strange schedules depending of the season, etc. Every job has good and not so good aspects.

And yes, I say that in normal period many full time masseuses earn 3,000 a week. I am not talking about the fly by night...

Finally a lot of lady’s are doing the same as you do even if they are not in the biz... gym every day, cooking, hair, ... it’s not unusual.

 

[sexslave]

Looool Now you are playing with words. That is manipulation. Easy Job = Easy Money. I am not sure of your intention here but maybe I am wrong but I suspect your first language is French based on how you are writing it might explain some things as to why you are not understanding at all.

Excuse me sir... are you saying that’s since my writing is not up to you expectations that I should not express myself? Are you so short of arguments that you’re going so low? Do you have a loose moose in your caboose like my grand dad use to say?

As far as I know, this board is open to all regardless of their mother language.

And easy money is easy money wich is not implying easy job.

Sex workers are doing a not so easy job to earn easy money.

It’s like a surgeon. Not an easy job everyday but easy money when you’re qualified ( which is not easy, at least when compared to other jobs....)

 

[sexslave]

At the risk of repeating myself. This stubborn idea of easy money suggests that not only are they (SWs) too much paid for what they do, but also, and perhaps even more so, for what they are. Not only do we want these women to give us what is expected of them, but we want them to give it to us on our terms and accept it without saying anything. Before, during and even after, as we can see in this thread.

I am not implying at all that the sex workers are earning too much. It’s a free market and the prices are set up by the parties to the transaction. Where did you read that in my posts ?

 

[RVK7]

I am not implying at all that the sex workers are earning too much. It’s a free market and the prices are set up by the parties to the transaction. Where did you read that in my posts ?

I don't think I read anything like that in your posts, unless I'm mistaken. I was talking about a rather unconscious attitude that is unfortunately generally widespread towards sex workers and that conditions our reasoning about them. Reread it carefully, you'll see.

By the way, do you really read what others write? Not just a few words to react to them, but the spirit of what they say. I have a doubt, don't be offended.

If you want the debate to progress, because we understood what you said and whatever you think about it, why don't you give us your perspective on the stigma that Rose spoke so well about in Post #74? Perhaps that would be enlightening.

No offense again, but I think she has more credibility than you do on this issue. Tell us whit the conviction that is yours what you think about this stigma, and you may have an opportunity to reestablish your credibility, which is suffering at the moment.

 

[LeBoudoir]

I don't think I read anything like that in your posts, unless I'm mistaken. I was talking about a rather unconscious attitude that is unfortunately generally widespread towards sex workers and that conditions our reasoning about them. Reread it carefully, you'll see.

By the way, do you really read what others write? Not just a few words to react to them, but the spirit of what they say. I have a doubt, don't be offended.

If you want the debate to progress, because we understood what you said and whatever you think about it, why don't you give us your perspective on the stigma that Rose spoke so well about in Post #74? Perhaps that would be enlightening.

No offense again, but I think she has more credibility than you do on this issue. Tell us whit the conviction that is yours what you think about this stigma, and you may have an opportunity to reestablish your credibility, which is suffering at the moment.

No he won't address that with obvious reasons. He just summed it up to 6 words she wrote out of the hundreds of others, in that other people in other jobs also go to the gym and do their nails....

oh btw sexlave, I think if you'd ask 100 surgeons, none of them would tell you what they do is "easy money"

 

[Fradi]

So far the only job I can name which I consider easy and easy money is Vanna White turning over letters on Wheel of Fortune and I am sure if I asked her and really knew what she has to do beside the obvious I would probably change my mind.

I am not into MP it is not my thing and I will never trust that there aren’t cameras or they are not under more scrutiny by LE.
Yes I am probably paranoid for no reason but I will not change my mind.

As far as SP only they know how difficult it is for them and if it is worthwhile and if they enjoy their job or not. I try to be as pleasant and as polite as possible when I am with them.
From my end, I have no complaints what so ever I have always been treated well and with kindness by the ones I have seen.
I consider myself lucky in being friends with a few and finding one who is very special to me.
I consider the money I am spending to be well spent and especially during this covid time to be almost necessary for your health even though it is quite a risk to take.

 

[Fradi]

Finally a lot of lady’s are doing the same as you do even if they are not in the biz... gym every day, cooking, hair, ... it’s not unusual.

Ladies that do that who are not in the biz do it because they want to for their own personal appearance and pride and perhaps for their husbands or SO.
SP do it because it is essential for their livelihood quite a different reason.
I appreciate the fact that every time I see my ATF she is like someone that just stepped out of a fashion magazine and that in my eyes she is totally gorgeous.
I would see her anyway just for her kindness and the way she treats me but it doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate all the money she spends on her clothing her gorgeous long jet black hair that is never out of place or the clothes she wears and how she takes care of her self.
She is not alone in this every SP I have seen I would say spends way more on being gorgeous than the average woman, if you haven’t noticed this then you are seeing the wrong ones.

 

[sexslave]

I don't think I read anything like that in your posts, unless I'm mistaken. I was talking about a rather unconscious attitude that is unfortunately generally widespread towards sex workers and that conditions our reasoning about them. Reread it carefully, you'll see.

By the way, do you really read what others write? Not just a few words to react to them, but the spirit of what they say. I have a doubt, don't be offended.

If you want the debate to progress, because we understood what you said and whatever you think about it, why don't you give us your perspective on the stigma that Rose spoke so well about in Post #74? Perhaps that would be enlightening.

No offense again, but I think she has more credibility than you do on this issue. Tell us whit the conviction that is yours what you think about this stigma, and you may have an opportunity to reestablish your credibility, which is suffering at the moment.

My credibility is not suffering at all and not at the hall meeting!

I maintain my position and I express that EASY MONEY is earned. That’s it and that’s all.

 

[sexslave]

No he won't address that with obvious reasons. He just summed it up to 6 words she wrote out of the hundreds of others, in that other people in other jobs also go to the gym and do their nails....

oh btw sexlave, I think if you'd ask 100 surgeons, none of them would tell you what they do is "easy money"

Lol.

In your case you’re certainly not making money since you have so much time to spend on the board. I must agree that you’re not earning easy money lol

Regarding what Miss Rose wrote, I already said that I did not globally agree with her. So, what do you need from that point ?

I doubt very much your comment about the surgeons. Do you know at least one surgeon ?

What do you think about the surgeon salary ? I tell you that for a surgeon working and having normal access to the operating rooms, the gross salary is around 800,000$ a year in Quebec and 1,100,000 in Ontario. Deduct around 300,000 for the office expenses and you have a good idea of the after taxes income of his business. Then he takes dividends out of his company and deduct the personal income taxes and in Quebec you’re at an annual net salary of 450,000.

 

[Fradi]

Lol!

Je ne sais pas si tu parles français, mais dans la langue de Mollière, on pourrait dire de Vanna qu'au moins elle a des lettres... Ça devrait la qualifier comme masseuse (sinon réceptionniste) dans un salon, si bien j'ai bien compris la teneur de certains propos dans ce thread.

S'cuzez-la!

Sorry you have lost me on this.
My French is not great that is for sure I can get by and usually make my self be understood with a bunch of hand gestures added. Most times when I start speaking French people automatically answer me in English, I wonder why?

Actually I am perfectly bilingual but French is not one of them.

 

[sexslave]

Ladies that do that who are not in the biz do it because they want to for their own personal appearance and pride and perhaps for their husbands or SO.
SP do it because it is essential for their livelihood quite a different reason.
I appreciate the fact that every time I see my ATF she is like someone that just stepped out of a fashion magazine and that in my eyes she is totally gorgeous.
I would see her anyway just for her kindness and the way she treats me but it doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate all the money she spends on her clothing her gorgeous long jet black hair that is never out of place or the clothes she wears and how she takes care of her self.
She is not alone in this every SP I have seen I would say spends way more on being gorgeous than the average woman, if you haven’t noticed this then you are seeing the wrong ones.

Well, I agree with you. SP do invest more in their appearance than the girl wrapping my grocery.

But you will concur with me that it’s not exceptional to see a non SP well groomed working in offices -pre covid era. At least, where I do my business, the lady’s are extremely good looking and well dressed etc.

 

[Fradi]

^^^^^^
No it is not, you are correct especially in Montreal most women take pride in themselves and try to look their best, and I find French Canadian women are much more likely to excel in this area.

Having said this they don’t come anywhere near what some of the SP spend on their appearance, their wardrobe, lingerie etc...
and clients expect this from an SP and the ones I have seen have delivered above and beyond on the way they always look totally gorgeous.

I appreciate the hours they spend and the money on looking so gorgeous.
Yes we look at the hourly rate and some think it is outrageous, but think of the time it takes for them to look like the fantasy that you are looking for when they open that door, there is a shit load of effort and money that went into that, anyway bottom line for me it is not an issue whether people consider it easy money or fast money.
I look at it that it is my money and for now I am more than happy with who I am seeing and I don’t have buyers remorse whatsoever.

 

[gladrx]

Well, I agree with you. SP do invest more in their appearance than the girl wrapping my grocery.

But you will concur with me that it’s not exceptional to see a non SP well groomed working in offices -pre covid era. At least, where I do my business, the lady’s are extremely good looking and well dressed etc.

Having read this whole thread your thinking and reasoning strike me as very similar to that of a lot of misogynistic incels. Check out some of their forums (like 4chan) you'll see how your thoughts and opinion of SWs align with theirs. And some of those go on women-killing sprees exactly because of this resentment of women, believing that women (especially SWs) have it so much easier than men (them incels) and blaming women for their own shortcomings and failures.

 

[sexslave]

Having read this whole thread your thinking and reasoning strike me as very similar to that of a lot of misogynistic incels. Check out some of their forums (like 4chan) you'll see how your thoughts and opinion of SWs align with theirs. And some of those go on women-killing sprees exactly because of this resentment of women, believing that women (especially SWs) have it so much easier than men (them incels) and blaming women for their own shortcomings and failures.

May I ask you to show your arguments on the main subject or you can’t which explains your personal attack?

 

[gladrx]

May I ask you to show your arguments on the main subject or you can’t which explains your personal attack?

My arguments? They are in line with those of the majority of the posters in this thread, notably RVK7, cloud500, rosedelacourt and leBoudoir.

 

[Fradi]

Having read this whole thread your thinking and reasoning strike me as very similar to that of a lot of misogynistic incels. Check out some of their forums (like 4chan) you'll see how your thoughts and opinion of SWs align with theirs. And some of those go on women-killing sprees exactly because of this resentment of women, believing that women (especially SWs) have it so much easier than men (them incels) and blaming women for their own shortcomings and failures.

Wow where did that come from.
While I disagree with him I didn’t get that kind of vibe at all.
For me it is more of a bit of hurt feelings, especially after Rose’s detailed explanations.
More like someone trying to find a way out while still trying to save face a bit.
Perhaps a hurt ego a bit with most people disagreeing we have all been though that on this board nothing as drastic as you describe.

 

[gladrx]

Wow where did that come from.

Take it from someone who's spent far too much time on incel forums. Not saying that poster is one but their line of thinking is disturbingly similar.

 

[UncleBob]

What is "Easy Money"?
Isn't it money that you do not have to work hard to get (Or "good money" you make for very little)?

Obviously, it is Not Applicable to Sex Workers!

Well, however, i would think it is for the lazy B&S SWs who try to achieve minimum service lasting 10 min then you have to leave, all this after you paid them for an hour Full GFE...
For that kind of provider, it is probably easy money... But it won't last long...

I think a surgeon works hard. He works hard at 150$/h as he would still do at 20$/h.
So it is not becoming easy money just because he's paid more...

A SW that does her job to please and give satisfaction to her clients, do you mean that she does not work hard to earn 500, 1000, 3000/week?
(Note, SWs cannot do 40hrs / week, 52 weeks/yr... like most conventionnal jobs)

In conclusion, SW's do not earn easy money...

 

[Fradi]

I have never spent a second on incel sights
Why would you?

I have looked at many SP web sights though and sometimes read the Twitter page of some of the more interesting ladies some have a sense of humour that is fabulous.