Bombardier layoffs: Dammit

[WasteIslander]

I normally do not vent like this but I left a good ,albeit very taxing socially because of the remote nature, job a week and a half ago for a position doing something similar to my current field but closer to home at Bombardier.

I find out a week into the job that I would not be there in the new year due to these layoffs.

Legally, what are my rights?


https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/bombard...o-keep-laid-off-employees-in-quebec-1.4173728

 

[jalimon]

Let's face it. Bombardier failed miserably because of the C series. They were able to build the best plane for that niche market. But they were not able to sell it. Boeing put all the pressure they could to grab that C series but could not. Airbus took it instead.

The government helped the company to save very high paying jobs. And they will do it again if they have too because Bombardier is still one of Canada's most recognized company for trains, trams and plane.

These layoffs are necessary to put the company back on track. It's a tough market out there. I do feel bad for you WasteIslander... I am afraid you do not have much rights regarding this...

Now there is one important last thing... I sincerely hope the AMF will squeeze the ass hole executives who sold their personal share of the company a month ago... Pocketing millions. That's a shame!

Cheers,

 

[smuler]

but I left a good ,albeit very taxing socially because of the remote nature, job a week and a half ago for a position doing something similar to my current field but closer to home at Bombardier

If you left on good terms with your former employer, I would reach out to them to see if they can hire you back in some capacity
Good luck ..hope it works out for you

Best Regards
Smuler

 

[EagerBeaver]

WI,

Around 12 years ago I found myself in a similar situation, after I left the law firm I was working at to take a job in house with a corporate client. I was happy in the law firm but the opportunity with the corporate client seemed like a “grass is greener on the other side of the pasture” opportunity both in terms of the work and compensation. What I did not foresee was a personality rift that developed between the two principals of the company which led to a series of disputes and finally a dissolution of the company and two new, competing companies, neither of which I could work for.

My old firm heard about the situation and offered me my old job back before I asked for it back. So I got lucky because I didn’t burn any bridges when I left.

You need to ask for your old job back if that bridge has not been torched.

 

[chowzilla]

I work @ a firm that is a strong Partner with Bombardier. All the writing on the walls have been very clear the past 3 years, things aren't going great. Living by a thread, grabbing contracts wherever they can. I am sorry you are in this situation. From what I heard, if you are part of the aviation field, you might struggle to find another job as Bombardier is supposed to be our leading aviation company. If you are in another field, you are safe.

good luck to you

 

[EagerBeaver]

For those in the Aviation industry, there is always the possibility of a move to the USA. I have a good friend who works for Sikorsky Aircraft - very good long term job security because they are building Black Hawk Helicopters and related stuff for the US military. My friend has a very high security clearance. I think Sikorsky also builds helicopters for other military throughout the world. I recall they had a contract with the Australian Air Force at one time.

If the job are drying up in Quebec go to where the jobs are. The only issue is that some companies like Raytheon will not allow you even on their premises if you are a foreign national. The USA is their primary client. So if you are Canadian you might have to move and become a dual citizen or even renounce Canadian citizenship. I do know someone who was a State of Connecticut employee and dual citizen of Canada and USA and was made to renounce Canadian citizenship as a condition of employment which was in the judiciary. He was shocked and upset but renounced Canada, I presume because he wanted that salary. He wasn’t happy about it, but cashing the paychecks probably eased the pain a bit. It usually does when there is a mortgage to pay, and young children to feed, clothe and educate.

 

[jalimon]

EB it's mostly the non tech jobs that will remain unfilled. All technical jobs will get hired at various company. Just maybe not all at the same salary. Would that justify a move to the USA??

Hum maybe for a selected few... Me would never do it. Good friend of mine went to Boston to work for big ERP software company. After 2 years he ran back to Montreal. He bought a 550k house in ndg now worth 1.2 million. He was renting a 3 bedroom 4k/month appartment in Boston...

Cheers,

 

[jalimon]

I know the CEO of Bombardiere personally, I worked for him , this asshole is one of the most despicable human beings I have ever encountered.

Interesting. I did not knew he was such an ass. That said. Steve Job was one as well. CEO's are usually not put in place for their ability to please everyone. Many of them are complete ass who think they are smarter then Einstein and above the law... (think current genious elon musk...).

All he is interested in is lining his pockets, he has no concience or any regard for any body but himself, perfect credentials for today's executives.

As is corporate america exactly. That is why I would like, for once, the AMF to win one just one fight against these ass hole...

Look at Sears... Some long time employees lost or got their retirement money cut while the CEO's pocketed millions...

Cheers,

 

[smuler]

Cruiser777

I remember the last time I saw you, we spoke about this very subject..

Hope life is well with you mi amigo...

Best Regards
Smuler

 

[CLOUD 500]

Just maybe not all at the same salary. Would that justify a move to the USA??

Hum maybe for a selected few... Me would never do it.

I agree with you I would never move to the USA either. I stay clear of backwards conservative countries who have more laws in your bedroom and social behavior then on guns. FOSTA and SESTA makes it so worthless to go. I stay in prostitution friendly countries. Canada is kind of headed the way of the US I might decide to move to Europe in the foreseeable future.

 

[CLOUD 500]

As is corporate america exactly. That is why I would like, for once, the AMF to win one just one fight against these ass hole...

Look at Sears... Some long time employees lost or got their retirement money cut while the CEO's pocketed millions...

That is Corporatism for you. Neoliberalism spawns corporatism.

 

[ShyMan]

What about going to France to work for Airbus? I've run into many French citizens working and (happily) living in Montreal. But reverse migration to France (for those life-long Montrealers) may not be that appealing. Good luck to those working at Bombardier.

If you're a tech professional, maybe, just maybe, look into working in NYC, where Google, Facebook and Amazon (with it's promised of part of its HQ2) have unfilled positions for lack of qualified Americans. NYC is only a short flight from YUL. But I'd prefer for some (nay, tens of thousands) of those tech jobs to migrate to Montreal, which I consider my second home.

 

[jalimon]

Shyman most of Airbus final assembly production for the CSeries (now called Airbus 204) is moving to Mobile, Alabama, where Airbus already had a plant.

Quebec is importing a lot of french workers (mostly young and skilled) from France every year as the situation in France is horrible for young worker.

Cheers,

 

[ShyMan]

Hey Jalimon,

You're right. Every French worker I spoke with said France's job situation is horrible especially for young workers, much like Greece. I hope global companies like Google, Salesforce, SAP, pharmaceutical giants, BMW and Mercedes Benz, realize the tremendous talent pool of workers in Montreal and increase their presence there. Why not set up R&D facilities in Montreal!

It might be an isolate matter but many retailer associates I've encountered in downtown Montreal have bachelor degrees from McGill U and U of Montreal. Let's hope the new Premier and his economic team can create career jobs for Montrealers of all ages.

I must say it's an exciting time to be in Montreal. And I hope the OP lands on his feet with a comparable or better career job soon.

 

[hungry101]

They just announced cutting 500 jobs in Northern Ireland.

I can remember touring a Boeing facility. They provided many top tier paying jobs but they all seemed so cyclical. Sort of like the auto industry has become for white collar workers in the Mid-West.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Boeing is being sued because of the Indonesian crash. It seems like the new technology they put in that jet had some wrinkles that were not fully ironed out by R&D:

https://www.courthousenews.com/relatives-sue-boeing-over-indonesia-crash/

So maybe Boeing will be back to the drawing board with respect to that particular innovation. New software engineers may be needed to fix the computer glitch.

 

[Ernst Stavro Blofeld]

The Quebec government will never let this symbol if Quebec know how go. They will feed it to its dying gasp.

 

[jalimon]

The Quebec government will never let this symbol if Quebec know how go. They will feed it to its dying gasp.

Brazil is doing the exact same with Embraer. For Christ sake take a look at what 2 cities are willing to give to Amazon and you will have an answer why every government in the world plays ultra protective.

Cheers,

 

[ShyMan]

Quebec and Montreal are located so close (relatively) to Chicago (Boeing's HQ) and NYC (where Amazon say it will create thousands of high-paying jobs in Long Island City; Google and Facebook are building up their presence and dominance), I hope companies begin setting up more satellite R&D centers in Montreal where I believe there is a huge pool of talented, hardworking scientists and essential non-technical employees that can be harnessed to help global companies located in those American cities.

Last week, I had to call Nest about a product issue. My call from Montreal was routed to a call center in Dublin. I spoke with a lovely lady (she sounded like a recent university graduate) who was born and raised in Dublin. It seems call centers are being set up in Western countries. (Maybe except Bell because every time I call Bell for technical support, my call seems to be answered by call centers in India and the Philippines. Why not in Quebec for French-speakers and Edmonton for English-speakers?)

I was thinking about the Boeing single-aisle 737-MAX plane that crashed in Indonesia. There are lots of orders for that plane, provided buyers don't cancel their orders. Boeing can definitely benefit from hiring those Bombardier laid off employees -- Boeing definitely needs more employees to fix technical and production problems with its 737-MAX. I wonder if those who have been working on the Bombardier C series can easily transfer their skill-set and work experience to the Boeing 737-Max series.

Let's hope the Francois Legault' administration can help make doing business in Quebec easier and help create real substantive jobs for everyone.

 

[nico71]

Shyman most of Airbus final assembly production for the CSeries (now called Airbus 204) is moving to Mobile, Alabama, where Airbus already had a plant

Officially, Mobile is slated to assemble A220-100 (CS100) intended for the US market (basically Delta for now, JetBlue afterward).. Afterward the CS300

I heard that Airbus/BBD will soon make investment (and reshuffle) the Mirabel facility to expedite CSERIES production.

Did you hear otherwise?