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Obvio-0bvio

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They are trying to protect vulnerable ladies from pimps. Or human trafficking victims.
It is not nonsense.
it is useless to merb members who use merb indy or known agencies, but as even indies say. We are but a minority of their clientele
If they were doing this for human trafficking, they would go after the pimps rather than the clients. They are not targeting vulnerable women; rather, they are targeting vulnerable clients who have just received their paycheck. It's a disgrace for the city of Montreal.It's more like entrapment. They are offering counsel and a program because they know that with a good lawyer, the prosecutors will have no case.
 

2fast2slow

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If they were doing this for human trafficking, they would go after the pimps rather than the clients. They are not targeting vulnerable women; rather, they are targeting vulnerable clients who have just received their paycheck. It's a disgrace for the city of Montreal.It's more like entrapment. They are offering counsel and a program because they know that with a good lawyer, the prosecutors will have no case.
i 100% aggree. Disgraceful police practice, entrapment leading to shaming clients who are probably just lonely and/or horny guys...these are not the people who are a menace to society...there are so many more real problems
 

CaptRenault

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...This event brings in ladies from all over, trying to make a few bucks.
That's a myth propagated by the anti-prostitution forces such as CLES and their allies in government. First, there is no reasonably priced place to stay for "ladies from all over." Any decent hotel room within shouting distance of the city charges astronomical rates for F1 weekend and rooms need to be prepaid in full months in advance. The logistics of booking a hotel and finding clients who are staying in town for only 2-4 nights mean that it is just not worth it for outside escorts to come into town. There are much better times to visit.

Furthermore, most F1 fans are there for the race and not sex. F1 fans are no more likely to be clients of escorts than guys attending other big summer events. The supply demand situation for escorts during F1 weekend varies little from any other time during summer tourist season.

Don't believe the propaganda from CLES and other anti-prostitution zealots.
 
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Il y a deux certitudes dans la vie l'impôt et la mort
Pour un homme le besoin d'assouvir ses pulsions
sexuelle fera en sorte que très jeune il va se rendre compte que l'argent est le meilleur moyen pour atteindre ses objectifs.
Le cirque de la f1 c'est des voitures, des jolies femmes et beaucoup de fric.
Le gouverne ment n'aime pas voir autant de transaction monétaire se passer sans son contrôle.
C'est plus facile de faire peur aux clients pour la police en menant des opérations semblables que de s'attaquer au proxénète.
Dsl les féministes mais moi mon expérience avec les escortes me porte à croire que la majorité le font pour une seule raison.
Un moyen de faire beaucoup d'argent

Oui j'aime l'argent.... mais j'aime rencontrer de nouvelles personne ... quand elles sont intéressantes ♡ mais bon c'est rare que les gens sont pas agréable a discuter mais oui certaine sont froide
 
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Francoistrump

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i just re-read the article and I don't see where it says this was 'months ago'...it just says the program was launched in May 2022...it says nothing about it being stopped or not-ongoing...or maybe i missed something :rolleyes:
On the pictures you can see snow. So it was not recent.
 

Uandi

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It actually is illegal to sell sex in Canada.

I know the article said otherwise, but laws can’t be drafted that way, and the asshole Mackay joyously said that Prostitution is Now Illegal in Canada once the law passed.

A country can’t make a group of persons legal or illegal. Laws deal with acts, not people.

The way the Nordic Model was passed was that the act of prostitution is illegal, but a grant of immunity from prosecution was granted to sellers of sex, and those performing acceptable services to the sellers of sex.

Purchasers of sex were not granted this immunity, nor were those persons associated with the sellers of sex whose activities are not within the defined scope of providing specified services to the sellers of sex.

The police in three specified jurisdictions, Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver announced a Prioritization Policy under which the purchasing of sex would be given the lowest arrest priority unless the seller of sex is a minor, violence/coercion appears to exist, or the circumstances disturbs the peace.

There kind of distinctions matter. Montreal is different than small communities outside of Montreal.

Even the airport matters. That is Federal Territory not covered by the Montreal Police. One credible poster claims to have been denied entry into Canada when he was selected for secondary inspection and a search of his phone revealed explicit text conversations with a Montreal escort agency.
You are not accurate. It is legal to offert... not legal to buy. In Montréal or anywhere in Québec province. Research...
 
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Uandi

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Before booking a provider, especially during this “fear campaign” preceding F1, always do your research :

1. Have I seen this provider around before, or is this the very first time I notice their advertisement?

2. Where does that provider advertise? Are the websites where they advertise require verification about the provider prior to their advertisement being display on the website?
*Tips : Googling their working name + escort next to it will provide you with the maximum information about that provider

3. Are the picture of that provider a rip off of an other content creator?
*Tips : Taking a screenshot of the pictures of the provider and reverse searching them in google image can also give you the maximum information about them

4. What is the social media/internet presence of that provider?
*Tips : Website, Twitter, Instagram, Onlyfans....

5. Does that provider have any mention of them on any review board?
*Tips : Not all reliable providers are mentioned on review board, but asking around about them before contacting them can be a good idea

6. Where does that provider carter their services? Laval? Montreal? Longueuil? For now, such as mentioned in the article, only the police department of Longueuil is taking place in this operation but this can change any minute

7. Does that provider require screening?

Ethical meeting in this industry for sure has it's price, such as previously mentioned many time on this forum. But sticking to reputable websites such as Merb, Tryst & Indy Companion and contacting providers with a decent internet presence (website & Twitter) will definitely avoid unpleasant surprises. Luckily no one was charged in this "operation" on a criminal level, the police department of Longueuil offers "education" which must probably consist of victimizing every single sex worker out there. Please, remember gents, we are not all victims and a lot of us truly enjoy what we do and wish to keep doing it in a safe environment ❤️
The perfect search doesn't exist but doing the effort... you'll find out that miss Beauchamp is totally honest and these are my pointers I follow before seing any SP....

I certainly don't want to fuck around and find out!!
So for me, hotels and motels were a no go.. but now... knowing it was at the Comfort Inn in Brossard... that's the second one that is certainly banned for life in my book... il stick to reviewed girls here or indy comp.

Thank you Emily for taking the time to talk about the screening process of indy comp as I have no idea it was like that at all...

Stay safe guys and DO YOUR RESEARCH....
 
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M8tt

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F1 is without any doubt a yearly determining factor in this media scare tactic.

I would add that this going down in Longueuil is not necessarily a coincidence. Their police Director is extremely present on public media and there is even a television series on them called "Police Avant Gardist".

Pre F1 I would certainly shy away from unkown providers in this region where LE seem very eager for media coverage.
He's now the police director of Montréal!
 

Uandi

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Une personne peut-elle vendre des services sexuels?
R3 Les nouvelles dispositions législatives relatives à la prostitution ne criminalisent pas la vente de services sexuels. Elles offrent également aux personnes qui vendent leurs propres services sexuels une immunité en matière de poursuites pour tout rôle qu’elles pourraient jouer dans la perpétration d’infractions relatives à l’achat de services sexuels, la publicité de services sexuels, l’obtention d’un avantage matériel provenant de la prostitution d’autrui ou au proxénétisme.

I don't know where you see it's criminal to sell when they say it ain't.

This is to criminalize under age or pimp activities
 

Blofinger

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The government promotes Grand Prix, but what is really important is to promote Montréal's joie de vivre. And promotion of healthy, and "professional" sex certainly boosts joie de vivre!
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And in many ways, c-36 isn’t entirely bad.
It is the worst law because it attacks the clients. Since Bill C-36 the amount of scams on Leolist type websites went to an all time high. The girls know they can get away with it because the law protects them but attacks the men.
If something is truly legal, it gets regulated and zoned.
The best scenario is an unregulated sex industry. The intense active busting of prostitution like in the US is the worst situation of all.
 

CLOUD 500

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Isn’t that how an unregulated industry is supposed to work? We can go on Merb, do review and read reviews, and decide who to see.

Or go on LeoList and take the chance of something undesirable or even terrible happening in order to save $20 to $50.

If there are negative legal or regulatory consequences to LeoList scams, then those same laws or regulations would need to apply to ladies advertising an being reviewed on Merb.
When I say unregulated, I meant for it to be not illegal in other words you will not be sent to jail or criminally prosecuted for booking an escort or for common bawdy houses to operate without police busting on them. I meant no active police interventions to bust on sex work activities. Perfect places of the best model are like in the Dominican Republic, Brazil,Thailand, etc... So for it to be legal but not regulated by the government.
 

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A lot of opinions were made on this. And let me bring my view. Yes the légal challenge led to this new model beign adopted. At first everyone said nothing would happen. And then, something finally happened. Carreerism. The Agent pictured wants a promotion, some exposure, where can he go? Drugs ?, mmmm dangerous, financial crime? Kinda complicated, car theft? mmm happens at night and i like to sleep. Wait a minute! I'll do a John school! Pretty easy to catch flies with honey! And no one is gonna say no we are against it so I'll become sargent quick. Then I go province wide and I'll be captain! Without risking my life. Ah finally I can boost the amount of my pension!! Everyone who has worked in the goverment knows those people. Might not be the agent, might be his boss. But somewhere someone is seeking an easy career path out of this. Those of you who have businesses know the type.
 

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Here is more hysteria about prostitution during GP Week from Thursday's Journal de Montreal (translated by Google). There is no evidence that young girls from the hinterlands of Quebec are running away to become prostitutes during GP Week. As has been noted, this is part of a propaganda and funding campaign by anti-prostitution groups, the media and the Quebec government.

When the propagandists demanded a response from the promoter of the F1 race, François Dumontier, he issued an old statement that he had used before. Even he is getting tired of this annual ritual.


Many girls from across Quebec traveled to Montreal just in time for the Grand Prix to prostitute themselves to meet the demand, worry experts in the prevention of sexual exploitation.

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“Every year, we see them disappear at the same time, to go to Montreal. Currently, I know girls who are there, ”launched a worker at CALACS Agression Estrie, Marie-Michèle Whitlock.

At the same time, she also noticed an “almost systematic” increase in the number of young girls running away. According to her, this problem affects all regions of Quebec.
Women from other provinces are also likely to be there.

“It is known that women or adolescent girls already in the sex industry move. Events that bring a lot of people, it brings girls,” added Ms. Whitlock .

two for one

Certainly, if the Canadian Grand Prix is so associated with prostitution, it is because it is one of the first major events of the summer in Montreal. But also because it is associated with glam, parties and money, insisted the speaker.

“We will not be an ostrich. Yes people go to F1 because they are fans, but for many it's a two for one, it's an opportunity to buy sex,” she said.
And for many girls, this festive weekend is a gateway. “There is a lot of money and we are normalizing commodification,” denounced agent Fannie Perras of the Longueuil Agglomeration Police Department.

She also assures that a work plan is in place for the whole weekend, knowing that many F1 fans will be staying on the South Shore, given its proximity to the site of the Canadian Grand Prix.
In addition, training for hoteliers, offered by the Phare des Affranchies, has been set up by the Ministry of Tourism, so that employees react if they witness sexual exploitation.
"So we give them knowledge and resources to act without harming them," explained Nathalie Khlat, co-founder and executive director of the organization that fights against sexual exploitation.

Training for festivals

Last month, around thirty hotels already took part in training organized in collaboration with the Montreal police, assured the president and CEO of the Hotel Association of Greater Montreal, Jean-Sébastien Boudreault.

“It helps to detect the symptoms, to know what to do. Nor should you cry wolf every time an older man comes in with a young girl,” he said.

Training is also developed for major festivals and events, including one set up by Tourisme Montréal.

“It is inconceivable that sex tourism and Montreal coexist in the same sentence. It is crucial that the entire industry does its part for a destination free of abuse and violence,” said the organization's spokesperson, Aurélie de Blois.

Questioned on this subject, the Octane Racing Group, promoter of the Grand Prix in Montreal, refused to answer our questions on the measures taken to educate its customers about sexual exploitation.

The organization contented itself with emailing an old statement from François Dumontier recalling that he “continues to support the initiatives of local authorities to fight against all forms of sexual exploitation, violence or harassment”.
 

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A lot of opinions were made on this. And let me bring my view. Yes the légal challenge led to this new model beign adopted. At first everyone said nothing would happen. And then, something finally happened. Carreerism. The Agent pictured wants a promotion, some exposure, where can he go? Drugs ?, mmmm dangerous, financial crime? Kinda complicated, car theft? mmm happens at night and i like to sleep. Wait a minute! I'll do a John school! Pretty easy to catch flies with honey! And no one is gonna say no we are against it so I'll become sargent quick. Then I go province wide and I'll be captain! Without risking my life. Ah finally I can boost the amount of my pension!! Everyone who has worked in the goverment knows those people. Might not be the agent, might be his boss. But somewhere someone is seeking an easy career path out of this. Those of you who have businesses know the type.
Basically this feels like storyline that would be on The Wire. Such careerism.
 

WBeck

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There was an episode of the Wire where a well-meaning policeman legalized drugs in a neighborhood in Baltimore. It didn’t go exactly as he thought it would, although it had pros and cons. He asked the liberal clergyman who was running a needle exchange program in the midst of drug deals and blowjobs being given in exchange for drugs what he thought of the situation,, and the clergyman said There isn’t a word for what you have going on in there, detective.

That article wasn’t surprising to an American. Contrary to the nonsense often posted on Merb about the American scene, it is actually very well organized in terms of law enforcement. Ladies who work independently (and ladies working for small boutique agencies in friendly jurisdictions) who screen their customers, and the customers who accept that screening, are simply left alone by law enforcement. The arrests come from stings of Johns who respond to fake mass classified ads, and of ladies who don’t screen. There is federal law enforcement action against agencies that operate in multiple states, but that doesn’t involve the sex workers or the Johns.

We are used to sacrifices in the U.S. Not work hard type sacrifices. I mean the uninformed being arrested to satisfy Vice Squad quotas and politicians.

When Canadians see Human Sacrifices, they recoil in horror. Same with homelessness, but I don’t want to digress.

This is where I get confused. Canada has been very open about all of this. They passed a law making prostitution illegal. The law has a quirk in which the seller of sex is not subject to arrest or prosecution. The police in Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver announced a prioritization policy for those specific areas where the arrest of a purchaser of sex is given the lowest possible prioritization as long as no minors or violence/coercion exists.

This isn’t that difficult. Don’t do this activity outside of large Canadian cities. No suburbs. Get on the bus, Gus, and go to a Protected Area. Even within the Protected Areas, try to avoid minors or pimped-out ladies. Not hard to do. The independents, agencies and massage parlors advertising on Merb, Terb and Perb have no minors or pimped-out ladies. You don’t get that guarantee on LeoList.

The suburbs don’t want this activity. Perhaps they think by allowing it they will end up like the neighborhood described in the Wire. Hell, few, if any, of us want a legalized and regulated system where commercial sex occurs in brothels where the oral sex is CBJ only. Canada has a hell of a compromise system that keeps everyone happy. We have been living with this type of system in the U.S. for a long time. Places like Arizona are no-go areas, where Vegas and NYC are much, much safer. An ad involving no screening and/or no way to check the history of the lady are a no-go. That is a hell of a lot more restrictive than Canada. Be happy with what Canada freely allows and don’t go behind enemy lines. But let’s not have too much of a pity party for those who do, and get in trouble (and it wasn’t big trouble, just the School for Johns). Montreal apparently will increase law enforcement activity during the Gran Prix. Still won’t really affect seeing ladies advertising on Merb, but they are letting you know to be a bit more cautious and discreet during that time. Actually nice of them to let everyone know.

The whole roadmap is laid out for us, in both the U.S. and Canada. It is even easier in Canada.
Bunny Colvin's Hamsterdam! Great analogy.

I hear what you're saying Patron, but do all cops interpret the law that way? I'd hate to get a pass from Colvin only to be jammed up like Bodie a couple blocks later by McNulty and Gregs, you get my drift.

Will the cops show up in a full service strip club assume everyone inside has or intends to purchase sex and arrest everyone? Some cops may some may not.
 
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