Coronavirus

[Fradi]

I agree I don’t think it would be much different with any President.
Day to day activities are run by the governors and it seems no two states can agree on anything.
Unfortunately it is a giant shit show which is not unique just to the United States.
Brazil, Sweden, the UK are not dealing with it much better to name a few. It took Boris a bout with reality to change his mind that it is no worse than the common flu and it won’t just disappear.
All politicians have their own greed and ambition in the forefront and that is why I think they are all scum and the trick is always to choose between who is going to screw you less.

 

[IamNY]

I am reading The Andromeda Strain by Michael Crichton.

thx EB. That’s my next book!

 

[The Nature Boy]

So what do you suggest?

I seem to recall that the vast majority of the U.S. population objected to strict quarantines and lock-downs.

And there are plenty of good studies showing that there are a lot of really undesirable consequences, certainly economic but even medical, to lockdowns and quarantines.

Once again, I blame the media and the American love of Rambo ( the guy who took out the bad guys, and only the bad guys, while 10,000 rounds of ammunition sailed past him without hitting him) for the irritating blame game.

it is really pretty simple. The more quarantines and lock-downs you have, the lower the transmission and death rate that you have. But there is all the suffering and economic misery that accompanies it.

If you give people freedom, you have to accept greater transmission and death rates. War isn’t like it is with Rambo. A lot of soldiers on our side get killed. So war becomes unpopular very quickly, and the more the media shows those deaths, the less popular the war becomes - Vietnam and Iraq are good examples compared to WWII and Korea.

Is 100,000 - 120,000 U.S. deaths compared to 330,000,000 people constituting the U.S. population an acceptable number to continue having greater relative freedom? Notice that I didn’t abbreviate it as 330 million. It is still a relatively small number, which is why many Americans do not know personally anyone who has contracted or died from covid-19. I think you have to put numbers on things and do the analysis and make decisions. And use real numbers, even if they are big and you have to re-learn fractions and what a denominator is. Set that calculator to having a lot of numbers after 0 when you do division and get a calculator that can handle 7,800,000,000 (which I think is the earth’s population).

Sweden did very limited restrictions, but look at all the criticism they got. A lot of people here like Science and have more respect for the slow controlled process than I do. So here would be a fun idea. Divide Sweden into two parts and lock half the damn country down entirely and let the other half continue as it is now. No travel between the two at all. Analyze the full results in a year or two, and see which approach everyone likes better.

I suggest not having a mass gathering inside with thousands of people in Tulsa for starters

 

[Fradi]

I suggest not having a mass gathering inside with thousands of people in Tulsa for starters

I suppose this applies to the mass gatherings on UK beaches recently with young hooligans beating the crap out of each other also.
Not much distancing or mask wearing was going on in the news video that I saw yesterday.
I am not disagreeing with you just pointing out that this whole shit show is not unique to the US or just Trump supporters.

 

[The Nature Boy]

There isn’t a government led denial i the UK of the shitshow

 

[IamNY]

Whether you are lawfully protesting or going to a political rally the first amendment is clear whether it’s during a pandemic or not:

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

 

[The Nature Boy]

No one is telling you not to have a rally but do it safely. And for sure the media shoulda given all the BLM more shit for these protests being super spreader events But do not compare a protest out of out rage from a guy literally getting lynched to a planned deliberate planned political rally, dude, lol, wtf?? And don’t use the 1st amendment as justification

 

[IamNY]

Wasn’t necessarily comparing the two, just pointing out that they are both perfectly within their rights to do so. The first amendment gives them that right. Common sense is something else and it’s not covered under the first amendment.

 

[Fradi]

There isn’t a government led denial i the UK of the shitshow

I guess you meant not anymore there isn’t.
When you almost die yourself it puts things into perspective.

 

[sene5hos]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/26/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-protocols/index.html

Dear Donald begins to take the coronavirus seriously. It's no longer just a simple flu virus, isn't it Mr. Trump?
If he had to catch Covid-19, his election campaign would fall.

Mr. Biden stay in your basement. You don't have to do rallies.
Trump is capable of doing it, and putting himself in the trouble.

 

[The Nature Boy]

I guess you meant not anymore there isn’t.
When you almost die yourself it puts things into perspective.

No fradi, there never was a denial! There was a debate about how to deal with it! What’s happening in the states is straight up denial!

In the states there is less of a debate and more of politicization about the virus that you don’t see anywhere other than Brazil. I don’t think the media is responsible for it like patron says, I don’t think they help, but certainly not responsible.

Wear a f’ing mask
Tell people “hey, we r still in 1st wave, still
Gotta be cautious and practice common sense”

There’s some starters of what I’d suggest. Saying your f’ed if you do and F’ed if you don’t is a coppin out. Someone has to be the asshole, DJT doesn’t wanna do it. @ least in Texas is man enough to admit he may have done shit wrong and I get the economic repercussions, but you see what happens when u gotta admit adults to a children’s hospital in Houston. Desantis in Florida is another example of denial following trumps lead

 

[sene5hos]

The first amendment gives them that right. Common sense is something else and it’s not covered under the first amendment.

Neither does stupidity.

 

[IamNY]

Neither does stupidity.

Correct, that's why the looting and the tearing down of statues during a pandemic is illegal.

 

[Fradi]

Stupidity is not restricted to the US.
This is something none of the worlds leaders have faced before and none were really prepared for it, how do you prepare for something like this.
Lets not forget that for a while we were the New York of Canada, our own health minister or doctor Oruda has made some pretty classic bungles of his own like telling everyone that wearing masks is not important and is of little value.
I don’t think he is the right person for the job his ego gets in the way like many other politicians.

 

[sene5hos]

To date in Florida = 140,000 confirmed cases with 3,400 deaths. Which gives 2.4%. And only during this weekend in Florida, 18,500 new cases.

The United States is in a very bad situation.

Governor DeSantis finds it less funny than in April when with Trump, they hit each other on the shoulder, saying "We did a good job"

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

I have read a few about Trump saying to inject or whatever to bleach. Please, that is false, he mentioned a procedure and " asked " if it could be done, never said to to it, ever. See attached transcript.

See the full video and transcript of Trump suggesting disinfectant might be injected as a coronavirus cure

Ingesting bleach or other disinfectant is not only incredibly dangerous, but it is not an effective treatment or cure for COVID-19.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[The Nature Boy]

Yea no ones faced this shit before but the question that remains, why when both South Korea and USA reported their 1st case on same day is there such a difference in #’s? Shit man, even if USA had like a 50% reduction in its #’s that would be something. It all comes down to leadership @ national level.

Here is the inconvenient truth about a denominator of 7,800,000,000.

Even if a vaccine is developed, the risk-adverse might still not be able to come out of the house for four years.

Producing 7,800,000,000 doses is quite the task, especially if it is a two-shot process, and even more so if it is an annual shot due to mutations, like many experts predict.

The Coronavirus Will Be With Us For Years to Come

All said and done, we better realize that the virus will be with us for years to come and accept that the new normal, living with various safety measures as well as testing and contact tracing, will be with us even once a vaccination is widely available. Keep your mask close and friends—at a...

www.yahoo.com

I was impressed by that scientist in a long-ago post who touted therapeutics and seemed to almost laugh at the concept of vaccines. I am starting to understand him now.

Interesting philosophical question. What if North America goes pure capitalist on this and sells the vaccine to each customer as a rationing mechanism, I.e., there are 50 million doses available after it is given for free to medical professionals, to cover 500 million people, so it costs say $5,000 for the vaccination until more is produced. Do some sex workers get their dose paid for by a bunch of their wealthier Johns chipping in, since all their customers want them to be safe and healthy.

Any chance you were in Texas in mid May before Tulsa?

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/coronavirus/article242761841.html

No one is denying it will be a task getting the vaccine to everyone. As for paying to get your favourite SP vaccinated? Lol! Shit, some may be offended and say “I can take care of myself thank you!”

 

[The Nature Boy]

I have read a few about Trump saying to inject or whatever to bleach. Please, that is false, he mentioned a procedure and " asked " if it could be done, never said to to it, ever. See attached transcript.

See the full video and transcript of Trump suggesting disinfectant might be injected as a coronavirus cure

Ingesting bleach or other disinfectant is not only incredibly dangerous, but it is not an effective treatment or cure for COVID-19.

www.businessinsider.com

Dude it’s on TV, I watched it live!?!? LOL!!! How can u sit and say this??? WtF??

 

[The Nature Boy]

Always figured you woulda flown biz? Anywhoo, no ones saying don’t go have any fun, find the balance my friend, free for all’s end up in free falls

 

[sene5hos]

I have read a few about Trump saying to inject or whatever to bleach. Please, that is false, he mentioned a procedure and " asked " if it could be done, never said to to it, ever. See attached transcript.

See the full video and transcript of Trump suggesting disinfectant might be injected as a coronavirus cure

Ingesting bleach or other disinfectant is not only incredibly dangerous, but it is not an effective treatment or cure for COVID-19.

www.businessinsider.com

But just asking, he lost the little credibility he had.

I can't imagine taking in a lamp, even a powerful one, inside my body.

It's incredible, he is ready to say anything to be re-elected, but unfortunately with such far-fetched ideas, he loses more and more credibility.

I asked one of my 9 year old nieces what she thought about it, and she replied, "My uncle stops asking me questions that are impossible. Yes, 9 years old