Coronavirus

[Sol Tee Nutz]

I have never ever claimed conspiracy, the media found a new source of income and rode with it and people being as gullible as they are gobbled it up. The media made it look like the virus of all viruses and what, 96.6% of the population never caught it, take away people over 80 and deaths are probably lower than 0.004%.
Sure as fuck beats out climate change.
PS. Waiting for, People over 80 do not count?

 

[raquelina0909]

Most know population density has a lot to do with the virus infections, numbers are per sq. km

Canada. 4
US......... 36
China.... 148
India..... 455

You had to expect an explosion of cases, given their large poverty population and expect the worst.

Two-thirds of people in India live in poverty: 68.8% of the Indian population lives on less than $2 a day. Over 30% even have less than $1.25 per day available - they are considered extremely poor. This makes the Indian subcontinent one of the poorest countries in the world; women and children, the weakest members of Indian society, suffer most.

This is out of context. Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal cover maybe 90 % of the population, but only less than maybe 1% of the land area. If we’re equally distributed, we’ll each have acres and acres of backyards.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Then we would need to put all those cities in an area the size of Saskatchewan to match up with other countries area wise.

 

[IamNY]

Update from NYC. Many companies are bringing back their employees to the office starting June 15. I’ve been in Manhattan a couple of times a week and have definitely noticed a big increase in people on the trains and subways. For the most part we aren’t required to wear masks except for mass transit. Hopefully we continue to move forward without any crazy outbreaks. I’m guessing the same thing will happen in Montreal and across Canada. Walking around without the fear of death will take some getting used to, but a welcomed change.
Either way border closed for another month:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1395379242280570881

 

[RobertNYC]

Yeah I read the news about the border staying closed. Personally I think the border will remain closed for several more months. I was hoping for this summer. If Trudeau is saying that the border will remain closed until 75% of Canadians are vaccinated, that takes us until late summer or early fall at least. And then there is the new issue of booster shots.

 

[IamNY]

Update to my last update for NY. Just went to Costco. Masks optional and all the Lysol you can buy!

 

[gallantca]

Yeah I read the news about the border staying closed. Personally I think the border will remain closed for several more months. I was hoping for this summer. If Trudeau is saying that the border will remain closed until 75% of Canadians are vaccinated, that takes us until late summer or early fall at least. And then there is the new issue of booster shots.

My guess is Trudeau will keep the land border closed for a while but will drop the quarantine for air travel for people with vaccination proof. He will rely on the "standard" Europe adopts for proof.

Imagine Europe accepting Americans by plane but Canada not doing so.

But there needs to be a "gold standard" for vaccine proof. Every country will want their standard to be the standard.

 

[RobertNYC]

My guess is Trudeau will keep the land border closed for a while but will drop the quarantine for air travel for people with vaccination proof. He will rely on the "standard" Europe adopts for proof.

Imagine Europe accepting Americans by plane but Canada not doing so.

But there needs to be a "gold standard" for vaccine proof. Every country will want their standard to be the standard.

Interesting perspective.

If you are correct, then the obvious considerations are the scrutiny that will happen at airports when border security must check proof of vaccination (travelers fumbling through phones, wallets, purses, etc and ensuing arguments about what is acceptable) and what the social scene will look like. Montreal goes into the “green zone” presumably June 28th but even then there will be multiple restrictions inside restaurants.

Personally, I would wait a couple months after any reopening given the anticipated chaos and restrictions.

 

[IamNY]

the scrutiny that will happen at airports when border security must check proof of vaccination (travelers fumbling through phones, wallets, purses, etc and ensuing arguments about what is acceptable) and what the social scene will look like. Montreal goes into the “green zone” presumably June 28th but even then there will be multiple restrictions inside restaurants.

Personally, I would wait a couple months after any reopening given the anticipated chaos and restrictions.

Maybe the two countries can utilize the NEXUS pass by adding your vaccination status to it, similar to the info found in a states vaccine passport. The Fed has limited access to your state info to get approved for a NEXUS card, maybe they can add your vaccination info. Could also be done for Global Entry for other countries. What better way to trust a traveler who's a trusted traveler?

 

[gallantca]

Interesting perspective.

If you are correct, then the obvious considerations are the scrutiny that will happen at airports when border security must check proof of vaccination (travelers fumbling through phones, wallets, purses, etc and ensuing arguments about what is acceptable) and what the social scene will look like. Montreal goes into the “green zone” presumably June 28th but even then there will be multiple restrictions inside restaurants.

Personally, I would wait a couple months after any reopening given the anticipated chaos and restrictions.

Another thing that is emerging is the premier of Ontario, Doug Ford, attacking Trudeau for his weak border control. Last week Ford claimed that 1/3 of people bypassed quarantine and brought the variants into Ontario. He didn't talk about how he f'd up paid sick days, but that's another story

Today, the feds, obviously on the defensive are announcing more border controls. The commentator from TVA (french TV) said if you plan to cross the border before Labor Day you will be disappointed. My guess is the vaccination rate on both sides of the border needs to improve.

The 75% double dose keeps being discussed.

But it seems politics will be a bigger factor than common sense or science

 

[Fradi]

Getting back to a sore point for a lot of people when this was called the China Virus.
I guess it is no problem to call it the UK variant, the Brazilian variant the South African variant, and now the Indian variant.
But of course calling it the China virus is racist even though it originated there, a whole province was locked down, it was hidden from the rest of the world for many weeks, yet their citizens were allowed to travel all over the world and give us this gift that still keeps on giving, has killed probably around 3 million so far, ruined the worlds economy and basically screwed the shit out of all of us for now almost one and a half years.
Covid 19 it is and I am buying everything made in China from now on.

 

[minutemenX]

The real number is at least 10 millions dead

There have been 7m-13m excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic

The rich world suffered relatively badly, but most of the dying has been elsewhere

www.economist.com

 

[Fradi]

Now there is new US intelligence that there were a number of Wuhan scientists hospitalized in November 2019 and again China is being suspected of a lab escape led to the China Virus outbreak.
Of course these labs are probably non existent by now and all evidence has been destroyed.
Where they experimenting with viruses as a weapon or was it just something that went terribly wrong.

 

[EagerBeaver]

The United States State Department has issued a serious, Level 4 Advisory Against Travelling to Japan, this coming ahead of the Olympics:

US citizens warned not to travel to Japan as Tokyo Olympics near

The latest troubling sign for the Tokyo Olympic Games came Monday when the State Department advised US citizens against traveling to Japan because of a sharp increase in Covid-19 cases.

www.cnn.com

It's not clear to me why Japan is having these issues, this is a country that usually has its act together on many things.

 

[Like_It_Hot]

Now there is new US intelligence that there were a number of Wuhan scientists hospitalized in November 2019 and again China is being suspected of a lab escape led to the China Virus outbreak.
Of course these labs are probably non existent by now and all evidence has been destroyed.
Where they experimenting with viruses as a weapon or was it just something that went terribly wrong.

The same US intelligence claimed there were Massive Destruction Arms in Irak. Now we all know this was all bullshit. But in this case they might be right as they already warned Trump in early december 2019 that there was something going on in China with a new virus. But Trump decided to play it down and pretended it was just a flew. Just keep our eyes wide open as everybody, specially China and USA are known to play politic with those issues. In 1930, the US government recruited 600 afro-americans in Alabama. Of those 400 were suffering of siphillis, but they did not know... Pretending offering a treatment for "bad blood", they did not treat them (even if penicilline was available) to follow-up the evolution of this disease... They even prevented them to receive a diagnostic or treatment from other doctors... This is now known as the Tuskegee experiment... An other glorious part of the USA history.
re: https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/history/40-years-human-experimentation-america-tuskegee-study
I prefer to trust the WHO and the scientists when it's time to talk on the origin of a disease. But always keep our eyes wide open. Being a scientist is not a seal of approval. Scott Atlas is the living proof that ideology sometime gets the upper part.
COVID will remain a serious concern for a while and we should not neglect other as important issues as cancer.

 

[Like_It_Hot]

The United States State Department has issued a serious, Level 4 Advisory Against Travelling to Japan, this coming ahead of the Olympics:

US citizens warned not to travel to Japan as Tokyo Olympics near

The latest troubling sign for the Tokyo Olympic Games came Monday when the State Department advised US citizens against traveling to Japan because of a sharp increase in Covid-19 cases.

www.cnn.com

It's not clear to me why Japan is having these issues, this is a country that usually has its act together on many things.

There are lot of unknowns explaining why there is an explosion of cases in different areas. We know a tiny part of the story of COVID and its variants. Only time will tell. That supports that we should continue to be prudent with the re-opening.

 

[RobertNYC]

The United States State Department has issued a serious, Level 4 Advisory Against Travelling to Japan, this coming ahead of the Olympics:

US citizens warned not to travel to Japan as Tokyo Olympics near

The latest troubling sign for the Tokyo Olympic Games came Monday when the State Department advised US citizens against traveling to Japan because of a sharp increase in Covid-19 cases.

www.cnn.com

It's not clear to me why Japan is having these issues, this is a country that usually has its act together on many things.

Only 3% of population has been vaccinated. This is partly to blame on Japan’s rigid drug approval system, not to mention a hierarchal system with many leaders and local politicians (and their families) cutting the line. Approval is much worse than FDA. And apparently the country is even low on syringes (that one is mind boggling).

I don’t see how Japan hosts the Olympics in July. National pride may force leaders’ hands, but it would take a modern miracle to get their act together in two months. You can’t host a shit show for the world to see.

 

[Like_It_Hot]

Meanwhile in Canada, today's number... well yesterday's 2021-05-25

 

[Fradi]

The same US intelligence claimed there were Massive Destruction Arms in Irak. Now we all know this was all bullshit. But in this case they might be right as they already warned Trump in early december 2019 that there was something going on in China with a new virus. But Trump decided to play it down and pretended it was just a flew.

True however there were never any mass destructive arms used.
In contrast the virus has been used all over the world and still going strong in many countries. Funny how a country like China came out of it with one of the best death rates in the world compared to its population and their population is packed in real tight in big cities. The leak was definitely not planned but they sure seemed to know what to do real quick to defend against it.

Trump may have down played it in the beginning, but the same people who criticize that are the ones up in arms for it being called the China Virus because all they are interested in are blaming Trump. These same people have never given Trump even a tiny bit of credit that they now have two shots of a vaccine in their arm to keep them and their families safe.
Yes Trump is an egotistical asshole and a disgusting human being and he fucked up royally on the virus situation and it cost him the Presidency but he had a lot to do with having quick and effective vaccines and now millions of people being safe from this virus.
Unfortunately I would not put it past China, the US or many other nations governments for experimenting with viruses for war, I don’t believe for one minute that all work being done in secret labs around the world is for the benefit of mankind.
Probably comes from being a long time James Bond fan lol.

 

[RobertNYC]

True however there were never any mass destructive arms used.
In contrast the virus has been used all over the world and still going strong in many countries. Funny how a country like China came out of it with one of the best death rates in the world compared to its population and their population is packed in real tight in big cities. The leak was definitely not planned but they sure seemed to know what to do real quick to defend against it.

Trump may have down played it in the beginning, but the same people who criticize that are the ones up in arms for it being called the China Virus because all they are interested in are blaming Trump. These same people have never given Trump even a tiny bit of credit that they now have two shots of a vaccine in their arm to keep them and their families safe.
Yes Trump is an egotistical asshole and a disgusting human being and he fucked up royally on the virus situation and it cost him the Presidency but he had a lot to do with having quick and effective vaccines and now millions of people being safe from this virus.
Unfortunately I would not put it past China, the US or many other nations governments for experimenting with viruses for war, I don’t believe for one minute that all work being done in secret labs around the world is for the benefit of mankind.
Probably comes from being a long time James Bond fan lol.

Trump dropped the ball early in the Pandemic, and his communication was atrocious, but let’s give credit where credit is due. Do we really think we’d have a vaccine right now but for Trump? I personally don’t because an establishment figure on either side would move like molasses. I can guarantee many at the FDA got knocked upside the head to eliminate bureaucracy. And the green light was given to manufacture unapproved vaccines in bulk anticipating FDA approval. Trump also did a CYA and banned travel as best he could from China and elsewhere, though many foreigners still got through.

In my opinion Trump’s response was a mixed bag, but I doubt any other President would have fared better. Although the communication from the White House might have been more streamlined and articulate. Trump gave way too many press conferences, but was determined not to watch an entire economy collapse. Did many lose their lives unnecessarily? Yes indeed, but a lot of Governors must also share in that blame.

I really think this pandemic was a bio warfare experiment/testing gone horribly wrong. You think WHO wants to get on the bad side of China? Not a chance.