Ya, don’t see this (Border Opening) happening until 2022.... Wish it was sooner.
It’s all about Numbers... Cases... Vaccinations ....
***OH CANADA...HOW I MISS YOU***
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It’s all about Numbers... Cases... Vaccinations ....
***OH CANADA...HOW I MISS YOU***
There really is not that many deaths and the media over exaggerate to make it sound like doom and gloom with cases. You can check the Healthcanada twitter website. It is more about the poorly run healthcare system. It has been in shambles for years with patients in hallways and people waiting 6+ months for elective surgeries. Those are the issues with universal healthcare it has major inefficiencies. Service and resources are decided by the government instead of by demand. The citizens are paying for government mismanagement. Then you got idiots like Fidel Trudope who cares more about about being a part of the UN and getting votes then the citizens he has sworn to serve. One has to ask why Trudope keeps on sending millions of dollars to foreign countries when it is needed here in Canada for healthcare so we can get out of the lockdowns. The new budget pledged so much money for childcare but refused to up the money to the provinces for healthcare. Why punish citizens for governments bad decisions? Quebec has an equally bad healthcare system which is why Legault came down hard. But the working conditions for healthcare workers is poor. They are overworked, understaffed, and under payed. I think we should look onto the government for the faith Canada is suffering.
Moving on. Half the US is reopen, Israel is reopen and so is many others countries because the majority has been vaccinated. Only vaccines will stop the spread of the virus not lockdowns. Lockdowns are more about slowing down the transfer of the virus but the economy cannot remain on standstill forever. We still have yet to see the economic damage we will all be paying for this when it is all over. So here more bad decisions by our government. In the 80s Mulroney sold Connaught labs our only local vaccine production. He privatized it then it got bought by France. In all these years none of the politicians ever thought that by not having a local vaccine production facility would represent a security threat to the nation. ALL are GUILTY. Now we are reliant on out of country vaccines. Canada is so behind but I got to admit Quebec is doing very well with vaccine delivery. In the US most 16yr old and up can get a vaccine if they wanted to but in Ontario even by May 24 not everyone will be able to have a vaccine.
Ontario has delivered 83.4% of the vaccines it received
Quebec has delivered 86.3%
BC has delivered 85.6%
The choice to go single dose, the choice to prioritize urban areas makes a small difference, but Quebec is not running away ahead of other provinces. They are doing a good job,
You're too much of a Legault fanboy
(I kid, I kid)
COVID-19 updates, May 7: Get tested, public health tells Beauce protesters who attended Montreal anti-lockdown rally
Quebec reports 919 cases, 5 deaths as hospitalizations continue to fall. 86% of Quebecers have been or plan to be vaccinated, a new poll suggests.
montrealgazette.com
COVID-19 updates, May 7: Get tested, public health tells Beauce protesters who attended Montreal anti-lockdown rally.
We have the right to demonstrate, while respecting others. Yes, but when you don't respect yourself it's hard to respect others.
We discovered these cases in 2 buses, because they are very sick and have been tested.
Well done to all these people. They didn't realize they were stretching the pandemic, instead of stopping it.
They made a conscious decision to focus on getting the most people with a first vaccine and wait for the 2nd. With a limited supply of vaccine it made sense. Plan is to get around 75% with a first vaccine by July (ish) and 2 vaccines by September
I'm aware of what the "conscious decision" was, but that's something you do after you already screwed up by not having enough, buying enough, or making enough vaccines in the first place. Your not being realistic if you think your going to go from a lousy 3.2% to 75% fully vaccinated by September.
Want to bet a beer on that one ?
In fairness the promise was to vaccinate everyone who wanted it by Sept. 75% remains to be seen if that many want it.
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I will take you up on that. How about an agency girl of your choice up to $240 ?
From the earlier reports I have read if you do not get the second shot within X amount of days the first shot is moot, again, early reports. We know they change the narrative of thes pandemic alot.
So getting it wrong first time and getting a shit load of people killed needlessly deserves a pat on the back for not repeating the miserable performance.
Quebec is still a run away leader in number of deaths in Canada, I don’t think it matters to their loved ones if they died in the first wave or the third and I doubt they are nearly as pleased or forgiving.
I will totally take that bet. The US has been at it for 6 months. We have 33% of our population fully vaccinated and we make it here. Your talking 75% fully vaccinated in Canada by September and it has to be secured. Good luck with that.
They, the scientists, do not change the narrative. They just learn from day to day. Usually it takes 5 years to get all those datas from vaccines in development before they get approved. For now, even the BioNTech and the Moderna, the best up to now, only got an "Emergency Approval". Apparently Pfizer-BioNTech would ask for a full approval as they collected tons of data specialy in Israel. But nobody knows if a yearly vaccine will be needed. Do the antibodies and LymphocytesT remain active and for how long. From my knowledge, I would not give this total approval now as only times will tell what we don't know yet. We know only what we know and we don't know all. Those vaccines are in use since only 6 months and it is a miracle that we reached the point where we are now. We were very lucky despite all the deaths.
Look at the Seychelles' situation:
Selon les derniers rapports, 500 nouveaux cas de Covid-19 ont été rapportés entre jeudi et samedi dernier, portant le total à un millier de cas actifs dans un pays de seulement 100.000 âmes.
La situation est paradoxale autant qu'elle est inquiétante. L'archipel des Seychelles, situé à l'Est de l'Afrique, est le "champion" de la vaccination contre le Covid-19 puisqu'à date, plus de 60% de la population y a reçu les deux doses de sérum. Une aubaine pour le pays, dont les revenus sont intimement liés à l'industrie du tourisme, et qui souhaitait un retour à la "vie d'avant" au plus vite.
Pourtant, les effets de cette vaccination rapide sont bien loin de ceux escomptés, et le gouvernement local a été contraint ces derniers jours de remettre en place plusieurs mesures coercitives fortes afin de circonscrire les contaminations. Selon les derniers rapports, 500 nouveaux cas ont été rapportés entre jeudi et samedi derniers, portant le total à un millier de cas actifs dans un pays de seulement 100.000 âmes.
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les Seychelles ont fait le choix de se tourner vers les produits fournis par la firme chinoise Sinopharm ainsi qu'une version indienne du sérum AstraZeneca.
Or, selon différentes études, l'efficacité du sérum chinois ne serait que de 79% à 86%.
Aux Seychelles, malgré une vaccination massive, les nouveaux cas de Covid explosent
Selon les derniers rapports, 500 nouveaux cas de Covid-19 ont été rapportés entre jeudi et samedi dernier, portant le total à un millier de cas actifs dans un pays de seulement 100.000 âmes.
You must have more faith in Justin (I kid)
Things have greatly accelerated. I don't think the press is properly reflecting the trend.
Here is a chart of a single dose comparing Canada to US to Europe to the world. Things are accelerating. As far as supply, there is always risk but the Pfizer deliveries look pretty solid
My guess is we will catch the US in the summer. While we have our anti-vaxxers, we don't have not nearly as many as you. Here they are more worried about people not taking their 2nd shot.
But coming back to our bet, my measure of success is if a 25-30 YO who wants a 2nd shot can book a second shot to be injected by Sept 30. There is no doubt there will be articles saying XXX couldn't get a shot in Wabush. Granted that may not be 75% but I don't think we can hold our politicians to any more. If acceptable we can even make it a beer and/or a bloody caesar since you like those.
And the only reason I trust this will happen is because Justin's political career depends on it.
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This morning 5 confirmed cases. (inside the buses)COVID-19 updates, May 7: Get tested, public health tells Beauce protesters who attended Montreal anti-lockdown rally
Quebec reports 919 cases, 5 deaths as hospitalizations continue to fall. 86% of Quebecers have been or plan to be vaccinated, a new poll suggests.
COVID-19 updates, May 7: Get tested, public health tells Beauce protesters who attended Montreal anti-lockdown rally.
We have the right to demonstrate, while respecting others. Yes, but when you don't respect yourself it's hard to respect others.
We discovered these cases in 2 buses, because they are very sick and have been tested.
Press, charts, and politics are all things that I have lost faith in during this pandemic. But, I am rooting for Canada to ease out of the lockdowns, curfews and get as many people vaccinated as possible. Losing this bet would be something that I'm looking forward to. Wishing all of you guys up north the best.
The organizer of the demonstration in 1 of the 2 buses had to be admitted to the emergency room and the staff took good care of him.
These are not jokes, everyone is tired of this crisis and want to get out of it asap.
in Canada, at least one dose
Adults aged 70 to 79 86.90%
Adults aged 80 and older 89.23%
https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccination-coverage/
in USA, at least one dose
75 and older : 80 %
https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/
Canada is the biggest vaccine hoarder
nationalpost.com
I will take that bet.
Adults aged 70 to 79 86.90%
Adults aged 80 and older 89.23%
https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccination-coverage/
in USA, at least one dose
75 and older : 80 %
https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/
Canada is the biggest vaccine hoarder
Canada the biggest hoarder of COVID-19 vaccine pre-orders in First World, NGOs say
Dozens of poor nations could miss getting the COVID-19 vaccine next year because rich countries have hoarded far more than they need, the People's Vaccine…
nationalpost.com
I will take that bet.
in Canada, at least one dose
Adults aged 70 to 79 86.90%
Adults aged 80 and older 89.23%
https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccination-coverage/
in USA, at least one dose
75 and older : 80 %
https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/
Canada is the biggest vaccine hoarder
Canada the biggest hoarder of COVID-19 vaccine pre-orders in First World, NGOs say
Dozens of poor nations could miss getting the COVID-19 vaccine next year because rich countries have hoarded far more than they need, the People's Vaccine…
I will take that bet.
Interesting article.
Canada seems to be one of the countries that bought every vaccine type out there. On one hand it makes sense because nobody knew which would actually work. And with vaccines being put on hold, some countries blocking export to others....etc, how could Justin know what we would receive ? He was not wrong.
He has said that any excess vaccine would be re-distributed. Now, given we paid 4x the price other countries did, are we going to charge the poorer country the 4x we paid ?
Trudeau will gift it to the other countries, he loves to give our money away. Only thing is he does not like to give to our seniors, war vets or homeless.
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