Coronavirus

[gallantca]

Interesting perspective.

If you are correct, then the obvious considerations are the scrutiny that will happen at airports when border security must check proof of vaccination (travelers fumbling through phones, wallets, purses, etc and ensuing arguments about what is acceptable) and what the social scene will look like. Montreal goes into the “green zone” presumably June 28th but even then there will be multiple restrictions inside restaurants.

Personally, I would wait a couple months after any reopening given the anticipated chaos and restrictions.

Another thing that is emerging is the premier of Ontario, Doug Ford, attacking Trudeau for his weak border control. Last week Ford claimed that 1/3 of people bypassed quarantine and brought the variants into Ontario. He didn't talk about how he f'd up paid sick days, but that's another story

Today, the feds, obviously on the defensive are announcing more border controls. The commentator from TVA (french TV) said if you plan to cross the border before Labor Day you will be disappointed. My guess is the vaccination rate on both sides of the border needs to improve.

The 75% double dose keeps being discussed.

But it seems politics will be a bigger factor than common sense or science

 

[Fradi]

Getting back to a sore point for a lot of people when this was called the China Virus.
I guess it is no problem to call it the UK variant, the Brazilian variant the South African variant, and now the Indian variant.
But of course calling it the China virus is racist even though it originated there, a whole province was locked down, it was hidden from the rest of the world for many weeks, yet their citizens were allowed to travel all over the world and give us this gift that still keeps on giving, has killed probably around 3 million so far, ruined the worlds economy and basically screwed the shit out of all of us for now almost one and a half years.
Covid 19 it is and I am buying everything made in China from now on.

 

[minutemenX]

The real number is at least 10 millions dead

There have been 7m-13m excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic

The rich world suffered relatively badly, but most of the dying has been elsewhere

www.economist.com

 

[Fradi]

Now there is new US intelligence that there were a number of Wuhan scientists hospitalized in November 2019 and again China is being suspected of a lab escape led to the China Virus outbreak.
Of course these labs are probably non existent by now and all evidence has been destroyed.
Where they experimenting with viruses as a weapon or was it just something that went terribly wrong.

 

[EagerBeaver]

The United States State Department has issued a serious, Level 4 Advisory Against Travelling to Japan, this coming ahead of the Olympics:

US citizens warned not to travel to Japan as Tokyo Olympics near

The latest troubling sign for the Tokyo Olympic Games came Monday when the State Department advised US citizens against traveling to Japan because of a sharp increase in Covid-19 cases.

www.cnn.com

It's not clear to me why Japan is having these issues, this is a country that usually has its act together on many things.

 

[Like_It_Hot]

Now there is new US intelligence that there were a number of Wuhan scientists hospitalized in November 2019 and again China is being suspected of a lab escape led to the China Virus outbreak.
Of course these labs are probably non existent by now and all evidence has been destroyed.
Where they experimenting with viruses as a weapon or was it just something that went terribly wrong.

The same US intelligence claimed there were Massive Destruction Arms in Irak. Now we all know this was all bullshit. But in this case they might be right as they already warned Trump in early december 2019 that there was something going on in China with a new virus. But Trump decided to play it down and pretended it was just a flew. Just keep our eyes wide open as everybody, specially China and USA are known to play politic with those issues. In 1930, the US government recruited 600 afro-americans in Alabama. Of those 400 were suffering of siphillis, but they did not know... Pretending offering a treatment for "bad blood", they did not treat them (even if penicilline was available) to follow-up the evolution of this disease... They even prevented them to receive a diagnostic or treatment from other doctors... This is now known as the Tuskegee experiment... An other glorious part of the USA history.
re: https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/history/40-years-human-experimentation-america-tuskegee-study
I prefer to trust the WHO and the scientists when it's time to talk on the origin of a disease. But always keep our eyes wide open. Being a scientist is not a seal of approval. Scott Atlas is the living proof that ideology sometime gets the upper part.
COVID will remain a serious concern for a while and we should not neglect other as important issues as cancer.

 

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The United States State Department has issued a serious, Level 4 Advisory Against Travelling to Japan, this coming ahead of the Olympics:

US citizens warned not to travel to Japan as Tokyo Olympics near

The latest troubling sign for the Tokyo Olympic Games came Monday when the State Department advised US citizens against traveling to Japan because of a sharp increase in Covid-19 cases.

www.cnn.com

It's not clear to me why Japan is having these issues, this is a country that usually has its act together on many things.

There are lot of unknowns explaining why there is an explosion of cases in different areas. We know a tiny part of the story of COVID and its variants. Only time will tell. That supports that we should continue to be prudent with the re-opening.

 

[RobertNYC]

The United States State Department has issued a serious, Level 4 Advisory Against Travelling to Japan, this coming ahead of the Olympics:

US citizens warned not to travel to Japan as Tokyo Olympics near

The latest troubling sign for the Tokyo Olympic Games came Monday when the State Department advised US citizens against traveling to Japan because of a sharp increase in Covid-19 cases.

www.cnn.com

It's not clear to me why Japan is having these issues, this is a country that usually has its act together on many things.

Only 3% of population has been vaccinated. This is partly to blame on Japan’s rigid drug approval system, not to mention a hierarchal system with many leaders and local politicians (and their families) cutting the line. Approval is much worse than FDA. And apparently the country is even low on syringes (that one is mind boggling).

I don’t see how Japan hosts the Olympics in July. National pride may force leaders’ hands, but it would take a modern miracle to get their act together in two months. You can’t host a shit show for the world to see.

 

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Meanwhile in Canada, today's number... well yesterday's 2021-05-25

 

[Fradi]

The same US intelligence claimed there were Massive Destruction Arms in Irak. Now we all know this was all bullshit. But in this case they might be right as they already warned Trump in early december 2019 that there was something going on in China with a new virus. But Trump decided to play it down and pretended it was just a flew.

True however there were never any mass destructive arms used.
In contrast the virus has been used all over the world and still going strong in many countries. Funny how a country like China came out of it with one of the best death rates in the world compared to its population and their population is packed in real tight in big cities. The leak was definitely not planned but they sure seemed to know what to do real quick to defend against it.

Trump may have down played it in the beginning, but the same people who criticize that are the ones up in arms for it being called the China Virus because all they are interested in are blaming Trump. These same people have never given Trump even a tiny bit of credit that they now have two shots of a vaccine in their arm to keep them and their families safe.
Yes Trump is an egotistical asshole and a disgusting human being and he fucked up royally on the virus situation and it cost him the Presidency but he had a lot to do with having quick and effective vaccines and now millions of people being safe from this virus.
Unfortunately I would not put it past China, the US or many other nations governments for experimenting with viruses for war, I don’t believe for one minute that all work being done in secret labs around the world is for the benefit of mankind.
Probably comes from being a long time James Bond fan lol.

 

[RobertNYC]

True however there were never any mass destructive arms used.
In contrast the virus has been used all over the world and still going strong in many countries. Funny how a country like China came out of it with one of the best death rates in the world compared to its population and their population is packed in real tight in big cities. The leak was definitely not planned but they sure seemed to know what to do real quick to defend against it.

Trump may have down played it in the beginning, but the same people who criticize that are the ones up in arms for it being called the China Virus because all they are interested in are blaming Trump. These same people have never given Trump even a tiny bit of credit that they now have two shots of a vaccine in their arm to keep them and their families safe.
Yes Trump is an egotistical asshole and a disgusting human being and he fucked up royally on the virus situation and it cost him the Presidency but he had a lot to do with having quick and effective vaccines and now millions of people being safe from this virus.
Unfortunately I would not put it past China, the US or many other nations governments for experimenting with viruses for war, I don’t believe for one minute that all work being done in secret labs around the world is for the benefit of mankind.
Probably comes from being a long time James Bond fan lol.

Trump dropped the ball early in the Pandemic, and his communication was atrocious, but let’s give credit where credit is due. Do we really think we’d have a vaccine right now but for Trump? I personally don’t because an establishment figure on either side would move like molasses. I can guarantee many at the FDA got knocked upside the head to eliminate bureaucracy. And the green light was given to manufacture unapproved vaccines in bulk anticipating FDA approval. Trump also did a CYA and banned travel as best he could from China and elsewhere, though many foreigners still got through.

In my opinion Trump’s response was a mixed bag, but I doubt any other President would have fared better. Although the communication from the White House might have been more streamlined and articulate. Trump gave way too many press conferences, but was determined not to watch an entire economy collapse. Did many lose their lives unnecessarily? Yes indeed, but a lot of Governors must also share in that blame.

I really think this pandemic was a bio warfare experiment/testing gone horribly wrong. You think WHO wants to get on the bad side of China? Not a chance.

 

[sene5hos]

Éclosion de COVID-19 : le proprio du Méga Fitness Gym refuse de prendre le blâme

Son établissement serait à l’origine de près de 700 cas et de dix décès.

www.journaldequebec.com

The Mega Fitness Gym in Quebec is believed to be the cause of almost 700 infections and 10 deaths linked to COVID-19.

 

[sene5hos]

Yes, let's recognize that Trump made the vaccines reach us.

There is a big BUT, he did that to get himself elected, and it had been done only for him and he never did that for the well-being of his fellow citizens.

And why did he and his wife get vaccinated in secret?

 

[Fradi]

Yes, let's recognize that Trump made the vaccines reach us.

There is a big BUT, he did that to get himself elected, and it had been done only for him and he never did that for the well-being of his fellow citizens.

And why did he and his wife get vaccinated in secret?

So Trump did it to get himself re-elected but of course everything Bidet is doing is because he is such a caring and fabulous guy and a model citizen.
Perhaps It is time to remove the rose coloured glasses occasionally.

 

[IamNY]

So Trump did it to get himself re-elected but of course everything Bidet is doing is because he is such a caring and fabulous guy and a model citizen.
Perhaps It is time to remove the rose coloured glasses occasionally.

Couldn’t agree more. And now there’s lots of traction in the news about Wuhan and this being a man made pandemic instead some dude in a wet market banging a pangolin in the ass. Secretary of State mentioned this a year ago. But now the CNN’s and the MSDNC’s are on board and airing it nonstop. It’s all spin, China clearly put us all in this position. The WHO will do everything in their power to absolve them.

 

[gallantca]

some dude in a wet market banging a pangolin in the ass.

Covid is a STD ?

 

[IamNY]

Covid is a STD ?

South Park reference. But you already knew I wasn't serious, haters gonna hate.

South Park - The Pandemic Special | South Park Studios Global

With the school on lock-down, Butters flips out knowing that things may never go back to normal.

southpark.cc.com

haters gonna hate Meaning & Origin | Slang by Dictionary.com

Haters gonna hate is an informal way to express consolation, voice encouragement, or dismiss criticism.

www.dictionary.com

 

[gallantca]

South Park reference. But you already knew I wasn't serious, haters gonna hate.

I knew you weren't serious and it was a joke. I did have to google "pangolin" . I have been to chinese markets a few times and somehow I don't think the idea is that far fetched.

 

[Like_It_Hot]

In contrast the virus has been used all over the world ...

The virus was used??? What do you mean???

Funny how a country like China came out of it with one of the best death rates in the world compared to its population and their population is packed in real tight in big cities. The leak was definitely not planned but they sure seemed to know what to do real quick to defend against it.

We know what they did. They were litterally taking infected people out of their house and parked them in isolation. I surely not agree that it was the right thing to do but it was efficient.

Yes Trump is an egotistical asshole and a disgusting human being and he fucked up royally on the virus situation and it cost him the Presidency but he had a lot to do with having quick and effective vaccines and now millions of people being safe from this virus.

In the same time he facilitated the works on the vaccine, he was spreading lies that it was a flew and contributed to prevent an efficient spreading of the virus by discouraging people to wear a mask and made it a political statement. "Those wearing mask are socialist democrat and those against mask are proud patriot americans aka republicans. The government founded Moderna, an american company, to help in the finalisation of their RNA vaccine. BioNtech, a german company, developped (without US money) their own RNA vaccine. Pfizer, an american company, joined BioNtech to do the final tweeking of their vaccine and to contribute with their knowledge an their money (not US government money, not trump money) to the final phase II and phase III. The americans like to call it the Pfizer vaccine but it is BioNtech which did the discovery and the development of this "new technology" vaccine. Again, there were several statements from the CEO of Pfizer that they did it with the company's money only.

As for the distribution of the vaccine and the vaccination process. Trump administration wanted the states to take charge of all. When Biden administration took the lead. The federal government took charge to distribute the available doses preventing a battle between the states. From the start of the pandemy Trump was opposed, "god knows why", to play a key role in the distribution of PPE on an equitable way between the states. The most cynical joke of the Trump administration was to name Scott Atlas as the "leader" of the task force.

Trump never push people toward the vaccination. He was secretly vaccinated and never said a word to convince republicans that being vaccinated was the good thing to do. Biden and Bush took their shot in public.

You are absolutely right to call trump being "an egotistical asshole and a disgusting human being and he fucked up royally on the virus situation". So he deserved a minimum recognition??? i wouldn't go that far.

 

[Like_It_Hot]

So Trump did it to get himself re-elected but of course everything Bidet is doing is because he is such a caring and fabulous guy and a model citizen.
Perhaps It is time to remove the rose coloured glasses occasionally.

I do agree Biden is not perfect and we should stay critical. But let us admit that the way he did on his first 100 days was over everybody's expectation relative to the vaccination.
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