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Now there is new US intelligence that there were a number of Wuhan scientists hospitalized in November 2019 and again China is being suspected of a lab escape led to the China Virus outbreak.
Of course these labs are probably non existent by now and all evidence has been destroyed.
Where they experimenting with viruses as a weapon or was it just something that went terribly wrong.
The same US intelligence claimed there were Massive Destruction Arms in Irak. Now we all know this was all bullshit. But in this case they might be right as they already warned Trump in early december 2019 that there was something going on in China with a new virus. But Trump decided to play it down and pretended it was just a flew. Just keep our eyes wide open as everybody, specially China and USA are known to play politic with those issues. In 1930, the US government recruited 600 afro-americans in Alabama. Of those 400 were suffering of siphillis, but they did not know... Pretending offering a treatment for "bad blood", they did not treat them (even if penicilline was available) to follow-up the evolution of this disease... They even prevented them to receive a diagnostic or treatment from other doctors... This is now known as the Tuskegee experiment... An other glorious part of the USA history.
re: https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/history/40-years-human-experimentation-america-tuskegee-study
I prefer to trust the WHO and the scientists when it's time to talk on the origin of a disease. But always keep our eyes wide open. Being a scientist is not a seal of approval. Scott Atlas is the living proof that ideology sometime gets the upper part.
COVID will remain a serious concern for a while and we should not neglect other as important issues as cancer.
 
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The United States State Department has issued a serious, Level 4 Advisory Against Travelling to Japan, this coming ahead of the Olympics:
It's not clear to me why Japan is having these issues, this is a country that usually has its act together on many things.
There are lot of unknowns explaining why there is an explosion of cases in different areas. We know a tiny part of the story of COVID and its variants. Only time will tell. That supports that we should continue to be prudent with the re-opening.
 

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The United States State Department has issued a serious, Level 4 Advisory Against Travelling to Japan, this coming ahead of the Olympics:
It's not clear to me why Japan is having these issues, this is a country that usually has its act together on many things.
Only 3% of population has been vaccinated. This is partly to blame on Japan’s rigid drug approval system, not to mention a hierarchal system with many leaders and local politicians (and their families) cutting the line. Approval is much worse than FDA. And apparently the country is even low on syringes (that one is mind boggling).

I don’t see how Japan hosts the Olympics in July. National pride may force leaders’ hands, but it would take a modern miracle to get their act together in two months. You can’t host a shit show for the world to see.
 

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Meanwhile in Canada, today's number... well yesterday's 2021-05-25

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The same US intelligence claimed there were Massive Destruction Arms in Irak. Now we all know this was all bullshit. But in this case they might be right as they already warned Trump in early december 2019 that there was something going on in China with a new virus. But Trump decided to play it down and pretended it was just a flew.
True however there were never any mass destructive arms used.
In contrast the virus has been used all over the world and still going strong in many countries. Funny how a country like China came out of it with one of the best death rates in the world compared to its population and their population is packed in real tight in big cities. The leak was definitely not planned but they sure seemed to know what to do real quick to defend against it.

Trump may have down played it in the beginning, but the same people who criticize that are the ones up in arms for it being called the China Virus because all they are interested in are blaming Trump. These same people have never given Trump even a tiny bit of credit that they now have two shots of a vaccine in their arm to keep them and their families safe.
Yes Trump is an egotistical asshole and a disgusting human being and he fucked up royally on the virus situation and it cost him the Presidency but he had a lot to do with having quick and effective vaccines and now millions of people being safe from this virus.
Unfortunately I would not put it past China, the US or many other nations governments for experimenting with viruses for war, I don’t believe for one minute that all work being done in secret labs around the world is for the benefit of mankind.
Probably comes from being a long time James Bond fan lol.
 

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True however there were never any mass destructive arms used.
In contrast the virus has been used all over the world and still going strong in many countries. Funny how a country like China came out of it with one of the best death rates in the world compared to its population and their population is packed in real tight in big cities. The leak was definitely not planned but they sure seemed to know what to do real quick to defend against it.

Trump may have down played it in the beginning, but the same people who criticize that are the ones up in arms for it being called the China Virus because all they are interested in are blaming Trump. These same people have never given Trump even a tiny bit of credit that they now have two shots of a vaccine in their arm to keep them and their families safe.
Yes Trump is an egotistical asshole and a disgusting human being and he fucked up royally on the virus situation and it cost him the Presidency but he had a lot to do with having quick and effective vaccines and now millions of people being safe from this virus.
Unfortunately I would not put it past China, the US or many other nations governments for experimenting with viruses for war, I don’t believe for one minute that all work being done in secret labs around the world is for the benefit of mankind.
Probably comes from being a long time James Bond fan lol.

Trump dropped the ball early in the Pandemic, and his communication was atrocious, but let’s give credit where credit is due. Do we really think we’d have a vaccine right now but for Trump? I personally don’t because an establishment figure on either side would move like molasses. I can guarantee many at the FDA got knocked upside the head to eliminate bureaucracy. And the green light was given to manufacture unapproved vaccines in bulk anticipating FDA approval. Trump also did a CYA and banned travel as best he could from China and elsewhere, though many foreigners still got through.

In my opinion Trump’s response was a mixed bag, but I doubt any other President would have fared better. Although the communication from the White House might have been more streamlined and articulate. Trump gave way too many press conferences, but was determined not to watch an entire economy collapse. Did many lose their lives unnecessarily? Yes indeed, but a lot of Governors must also share in that blame.

I really think this pandemic was a bio warfare experiment/testing gone horribly wrong. You think WHO wants to get on the bad side of China? Not a chance.
 
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Yes, let's recognize that Trump made the vaccines reach us.

There is a big BUT, he did that to get himself elected, and it had been done only for him and he never did that for the well-being of his fellow citizens.

And why did he and his wife get vaccinated in secret?
 

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Yes, let's recognize that Trump made the vaccines reach us.

There is a big BUT, he did that to get himself elected, and it had been done only for him and he never did that for the well-being of his fellow citizens.

And why did he and his wife get vaccinated in secret?
So Trump did it to get himself re-elected but of course everything Bidet is doing is because he is such a caring and fabulous guy and a model citizen.
Perhaps It is time to remove the rose coloured glasses occasionally.
 

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So Trump did it to get himself re-elected but of course everything Bidet is doing is because he is such a caring and fabulous guy and a model citizen.
Perhaps It is time to remove the rose coloured glasses occasionally.
Couldn’t agree more. And now there’s lots of traction in the news about Wuhan and this being a man made pandemic instead some dude in a wet market banging a pangolin in the ass. Secretary of State mentioned this a year ago. But now the CNN’s and the MSDNC’s are on board and airing it nonstop. It’s all spin, China clearly put us all in this position. The WHO will do everything in their power to absolve them.
 

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South Park reference. But you already knew I wasn't serious, haters gonna hate.

I knew you weren't serious and it was a joke. I did have to google "pangolin" . I have been to chinese markets a few times and somehow I don't think the idea is that far fetched.
 

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In contrast the virus has been used all over the world ...
The virus was used??? What do you mean???
Funny how a country like China came out of it with one of the best death rates in the world compared to its population and their population is packed in real tight in big cities. The leak was definitely not planned but they sure seemed to know what to do real quick to defend against it.
We know what they did. They were litterally taking infected people out of their house and parked them in isolation. I surely not agree that it was the right thing to do but it was efficient.
Yes Trump is an egotistical asshole and a disgusting human being and he fucked up royally on the virus situation and it cost him the Presidency but he had a lot to do with having quick and effective vaccines and now millions of people being safe from this virus.
In the same time he facilitated the works on the vaccine, he was spreading lies that it was a flew and contributed to prevent an efficient spreading of the virus by discouraging people to wear a mask and made it a political statement. "Those wearing mask are socialist democrat and those against mask are proud patriot americans aka republicans. The government founded Moderna, an american company, to help in the finalisation of their RNA vaccine. BioNtech, a german company, developped (without US money) their own RNA vaccine. Pfizer, an american company, joined BioNtech to do the final tweeking of their vaccine and to contribute with their knowledge an their money (not US government money, not trump money) to the final phase II and phase III. The americans like to call it the Pfizer vaccine but it is BioNtech which did the discovery and the development of this "new technology" vaccine. Again, there were several statements from the CEO of Pfizer that they did it with the company's money only.

As for the distribution of the vaccine and the vaccination process. Trump administration wanted the states to take charge of all. When Biden administration took the lead. The federal government took charge to distribute the available doses preventing a battle between the states. From the start of the pandemy Trump was opposed, "god knows why", to play a key role in the distribution of PPE on an equitable way between the states. The most cynical joke of the Trump administration was to name Scott Atlas as the "leader" of the task force.

Trump never push people toward the vaccination. He was secretly vaccinated and never said a word to convince republicans that being vaccinated was the good thing to do. Biden and Bush took their shot in public.

You are absolutely right to call trump being "an egotistical asshole and a disgusting human being and he fucked up royally on the virus situation". So he deserved a minimum recognition??? i wouldn't go that far.
 

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So Trump did it to get himself re-elected but of course everything Bidet is doing is because he is such a caring and fabulous guy and a model citizen.
Perhaps It is time to remove the rose coloured glasses occasionally.
I do agree Biden is not perfect and we should stay critical. But let us admit that the way he did on his first 100 days was over everybody's expectation relative to the vaccination.
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I do agree Biden is not perfect and we should stay critical. But let us admit that the way he did on his first 100 days was over everybody's expectation relative to the vaccination.
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I don’t quite get what you are after.
What did Bidet do that was so great,he inherited two ready and effective vaccines and proceeded to distribute them according to plans already made which he may or may not have improved obviously he will take credit for it why wouldn’t he.

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Everyone,

While it is appropriate and on-topic to discuss and contrast Biden's and Trump's handling of the pandemic such as rollout of the vaccination, posts that veer into broader discussions of American politics such as the 2020 election are off-topic and belong in the political threads.

Fair warning, there will be consequences for those who persist and keep making off-topic comments.
 

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The next phase of the U.S. pandemic? Pockets of localized outbreaks. BYLOIS PARSHLEY PUBLISHED MAY 27, 2021 in the National Geographic​

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A sudden surge in Fairbanks, Alaska, offers a cautionary tale for places that lift restrictions while local vaccination rates remain low.

People in Fairbanks, Alaska’s second-largest city, have embraced a return to normalcy. Alaska made national headlines in March as the first state to make vaccines available to any adult, and as the snow melted into a long-awaited spring, restaurants were packed, church pews were full, and schools reopened for in-person classes.

Yet signs of trouble became apparent before the trees had even budded. Demand for vaccinations swiftly plateaued; in early April, clinics could no longer fill their appointments. In the last two weeks of April, COVID-19 cases in the Fairbanks North Star Borough rose by 253 percent, and test positivity rates doubled to more than 10 percent. Fairbanks Memorial Hospital, which serves the entire Alaskan Interior, was soon wrestling with its largest spike of the pandemic.

No single outbreak or super-spreader event drove Fairbank’s surge, says Angelique Ramirez, a physician and the chief medical officer of the main health care system in Fairbanks. Rather, this spike is the inevitable result of reopening with low vaccination rates. As such, it’s a grim preview of what could be the next phase of the pandemic in the United States.

Ramirez describes the surge as “sobering.” The hospital hit its capacity in early May, and for three days, administrators had to consider whether they could care for every patient before admittance, sending cases as far away as Anchorage and Seattle. As the only hospital in the area, she was worried what might happen if her family got in a car accident, or needed even non-COVID medical care. “That’s just a serious point,” she says. “And we got there so quickly.”

The vaccines have proven highly effective at preventing severe disease and reducing transmission, and so far, the mRNA vaccines have proven effective against known variants. “But despite the Biden administration’s success in expanding vaccine campaigns, only 39 percent of the U.S. is fully vaccinated—leaving many Americans still vulnerable.”
 

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Second part of the same article:

Resurgent epidemics

Fairbanks is not alone in seeing a disturbing number of cases. In many states, including Washington, Colorado, Michigan, and Maine, among the unvaccinated, transmission is still at winter-surge levels.

Public health experts warn that even as continuing vaccinations reduce the daily number of cases nationally, ongoing—and sometimes epidemic-scale—regional outbreaks will continue. A recent Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report suggests that by September 2021, “some states could reach levels of disease similar to those observed in late 2020.” The national average wouldn’t see resurgences in that size, because vaccinations will protect some communities.

Justin Lessler, a co-author of the report and an associate professor at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health explains that every model has to make certain core assumptions, like the impact of interventions like masking. The report combined data from six different models, to improve accuracy and integrate different modeling decisions. It forecast a continuum of scenarios, from optimistic to pessimistic, with a lot of variability in potential outcomes—driven, in part, by how quickly people are vaccinated. Although, Lessler warns, “we can’t forecast human behavior.” Lessler says that in scenarios where there is a low vaccination rate and a lack of control measures—like in Fairbanks and much of rural America—“you start seeing resurgence epidemics in late summer and fall.”

Lessler adds that the recent CDC announcement that fully vaccinated people don’t need to wear masks in public places has led to “relaxing measures much more quickly, which could lead to significant resurgences.” The concern is that because there’s no easy way to verify who has been jabbed, unvaccinated people may choose not to wear masks, increasing risk for themselves and others. In fact, market-research firm Cardify looked at surveys and consumer spending and found that people who don’t plan to get the vaccine were more likely to go out to restaurants, salons, and other venues than those who have been vaccinated. Yet some states, like Texas, have gone as far as preemptively banning vaccine verifications. Theresa Chapple-McGruder, an epidemiologist, scoffs at the idea of an honor system for masking. “We don’t say get a driver’s license, but you don’t have to carry it.”


Masks are also coming off at the same time as more infectious variants are rising. The variant named B.1.1.7, which is about 50 percent more contagious than the original strain, is now responsible for the majority of U.S. cases. So far, there have been very few breakthrough cases, where people who have been vaccinated still get infected: about one in 10,000. But the risk of breakthrough infections increases when transmission is high in the community. That’s one reason many have criticized the communication of the new mask guidelines. The problem is in the policy that has been made as a result, which focuses on individual decisions, rather than on protecting vulnerable populations as a matter of policy. Public health, Chapple-McGruder says, is not just large-scale individual medical care. “When we’re hearing advice geared toward individuals, we’re missing the boat,” she says. “We need system-level approaches to ensure the public is healthy.”

 

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Compounding disparities in rural areas

Future outbreaks will likely be centered around those left vulnerable by low vaccination rates. “Right now, we’re at the level that we were in June of last year. We considered it horrific then, and now, we’re all opening up,” says Alan Morgan, chief executive officer of the National Rural Health Association (NRHA), who studies county-level data daily.

For some, vaccine hesitancy is the root of the problem. NRHA recently conducted a survey of almost 200 hospitals and found that even though healthcare workers have had access to shots for months, a third of rural hospitals reported that less than half of their employees had been vaccinated. Morgan notes that may cause a workforce problem if these employees get sick, making these communities less able to respond to surges. A recent Kaiser Family Foundation survey found that three in 10 Republicans, essential workers, and younger adults say they will definitely not get vaccinated. Rural residents also say they are less likely to wear a mask.


“There’s a real risk of a slow burn in rural places which the country ignores,” Morgan says. “The fact of the matter is I’m worried about rural America being a reservoir for COVID.”

These are often areas with already fragile health-care systems. Rural populations tend to be older, as well as health-compromised, whether from jobs with greater occupational hazards, or from difficulties accessing preventative care, explains Tom Mueller, assistant professor of sociology at Utah State University. “It’s hard to get rural healthcare, and it’s likely only gotten worse during the pandemic,” he says.

But he adds, “It’s important to remember rural America is not a monolith—it’s not just conservative white people.” There are also significant Black, Latino, and Native American rural communities, for whom, Mueller suspects, it’s more about access than hesitancy. Another Kaiser Family Foundation survey supports these suspicions; they found that less than half of Black adults say their rural communities have enough vaccine supply, compared to 59 percent of white rural adults.

Cities have similar equity issues, says Julia Raifman, who conducts research on health and social policies as an assistant professor at Boston University. “It’s not really a surprise that there are large racial and ethnic disparities in vaccinations,” she says. “That’s a logical result of our prioritization policies.” She points to structural barriers, like the ability to take time off work to recover from side effects, or transportation to get to vaccine appointments. Even being five miles from a clinic, as the Biden administration says 90 percent of Americans now are, is a hurdle if you don’t have access to a car. “I not only expect there will be outbreaks, but that the people most affected will continue to be Black, Latinx, and Native American,” Raifman says.

As the pandemic shifts into a new phase, Chapple-McGruder is concerned about children, who she says are now seeing a disproportionate burden of disease as adults get vaccinated; Texas and Iowa have nevertheless banned masks in schools. Morgan predicts that workplace exposures will continue to be significant. Last summer, he was able to anticipate surges in communities that have summer resort destinations, major truck stops, or processing plants—”communities where people travel in, congregate, and travel out again.” It’s a dynamic he expects will repeat this summer. Raifman adds the new CDC guidelines will exacerbate these disparities by removing indoor masking before many essential workers have a chance to be vaccinated.


For Ramirez, the new recommendations are also making it harder to do her job. Despite Fairbank’s surge, doctors and nurses at Fairbanks Memorial Hospital have been frustrated by patients refusing to wear masks within the hospital, which follows CDC guidelines for healthcare facilities that all individuals should be masked, regardless of vaccination status. She says the hospital has also had patients and family members who didn’t believe their doctors’ diagnoses. “When people tell you to your face they don’t believe what you’re saying—that really hits the core of the relationship between caregivers and patients.” And when patients don’t get better, it adds to the staff’s trauma. “It’s really hard when people die of preventable illnesses, and even harder when it’s a young person,” she says. “This didn’t have to happen—that pulls at people.”

The situation in Fairbanks is improving now; Ramirez says that as a low-density area, it doesn’t take much to reduce transmission, highlighting the importance of behavior. But looking ahead, Ramirez says she’s afraid COVID-19 is going to be an endemic disease in Alaska. “I think we lost our chance,” she says, referring to Alaska’s plateauing vaccination rates. “Which really brings home that until we have a significant number of people vaccinated, or people wear masks, we are at risk.”
 
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