Coronavirus

[EagerBeaver]

We will again be the only place in North America with a curfew. Only in Quebec.

This is because Legault/your Quebec government does not trust you and the other citizens of Quebec to do the right thing. So he is mandating curfews to enforce doing what he believes is the right thing. Here in the States, Governors ask citizens to do what the Governor thinks is right but we have not had mandatory curfews.

Basically it's like disciplining children as opposed to expecting people to act like adults. You send a child to his room and tell him he is grounded due to his misbehavior or the belief that he will engage in misbehavior. This is exactly what Legault is doing to you. He is sending you to your bedrooms, and you are grounded. One reason no American Governor will do this or any type of martial law is because Americans historically rebel at such measures.

The only time in Connecticut history anything Ike martial law happened was during the devastating floods of 1955, the worst in state history, which led to a massive re-design of the waterways in CT and the damming of rivers in the northern portion of the State. There was massive looting after those floods and then Governor Ribicoff issued controversial orders to the Connecticut National Guard to "shoot looters on sight." Although controversial at the time, the looting stopped almost immediately when that order was issued, and nobody was shot. But apart from that martial law is not part of who we are in the USA.

Cloud, if you are a hard working citizen who pays his taxes, Connecticut would welcome you. So would other States. You have a choice not to live under such austerity.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Completely agree with what you wrote. You nailed it. It is what I said many times that it is not government's job to play Grandma however Canadians are not too interested in having their freedom. But believe me even with curfews the young ppl will still go out and have parties. I know because the strippers I have on social media, last year most posted videos of parties during the last curfew. To me the curfew is a political ploy just to show to the world that he is doing something. At the end it is society and Americans would never accept a nanny state which is why these measures will never happen there. Two years with most of us fully vaccinated and we are still wearing masks. Many US states already dropped mask mandates but maybe now more states will reinstate masks with Omicron.

 

[RobertNYC]

In Connecticut the positivity rate is a record 14.98%, but our healthcare system isn't overwhelmed. The pace of hospitalizations isn't matching the positivity rate because a higher percentage of Omicron cases aren't leading to serious symptoms. The Omicron variant is staying in the upper respiratory system and not attacking the lungs. This means stuffed nose, congestion and lots of snot blown into tissues, but not as much suffocating for oxygen because the lungs are under attack

Completely agree with what you wrote. You nailed it. It is what I said many times that it is not government's job to play Grandma however Canadians are not too interested in having their freedom. But believe me even with curfews the young ppl will still go out and have parties. I know because the strippers I have on social media, last year most posted videos of parties during the last curfew. To me the curfew is a political ploy just to show to the world that he is doing something. At the end it is society and Americans would never accept a nanny state which is why these measures will never happen there. Two years with most of us fully vaccinated and we are still wearing masks. Many US states already dropped mask mandates but maybe now more states will reinstate masks with Omicron.

My north NJ town just mandated the wearing of masks indoors. And they wonder how Gov Murphy nearly lost in Nov in a deep blue state.

I am somewhat perplexed at the degree of discontent and protests in Paris and the UK, while much of the US and Canada seems quite complacent with vaccine passports and restrictions. I just don’t see the outrage, particularly among the twenty and thirty somethings. Maybe I’m missing it.

I’m usually good for a Montreal trip in Jan and Feb. I can’t believe yet again I’m needing to postpone. I’m likely booking a night or two in Boston and seeing some EE women with a popular national agency up there. Not exactly Montreal but still a good cold weather trip with hockey, casinos and especially hobbying mixed in. So frustrating because I just don’t see an end to this mess in sight. I really don’t. Not with our US and Canadian governments.

 

[CLOUD 500]

^^^^^
Well I can say this about Canadians and even some Americans being complacent, I noticed in the past 10 years the resurgence of Socialism (Trudope, Sanders, AOC). Maybe this renewed interest in Socialism reflects the reason ppl are being so complacent. Many Europeans know what Communism/Fascism is at least the older generation as it touched them more.

 

[Valcazar]

I assure you not much singing goes on...

Here in Montreal?

I am guessing this isn't about the popular ones downtown.

 

[RobertNYC]

^^^^^
Well I can say this about Canadians and even some Americans being complacent, I noticed in the past 10 years the resurgence of Socialism (Trudope, Sanders, AOC). Maybe this renewed interest in Socialism reflects the reason ppl are being so complacent. Many Europeans know what Communism/Fascism is at least the older generation as it touched them more.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Europeans have seen communism and socialism up close and they know the destruction they breed.

American college kids are too busy being indoctrinated.

 

[Fradi]

Basically it's like disciplining children as opposed to expecting people to act like adults. You send a child to his room and tell him he is grounded due to his misbehavior or the belief that he will engage in misbehavior. This is exactly what Legault is doing to you. He is sending you to your bedrooms, and you are grounded. One reason no American Governor will do this or any type of martial law is because Americans historically rebel at such measures.

Unfortunately it seems like the US has the largest portion of children amongst its population and they are way more stubborn than here.
49% of the population are not vaccinated and even more do not believe in wearing masks.
I am definitely not proud of the way Yo Yo Legault is handling or how he handled things especially with his recent roll out of booster shots but compared to some of the US governors, mayors and that bumbling idiot President Bidet he could be considered a hero.

 

[Valcazar]

A positive development. Clearly Omicron is not as bad as earlier versions.

US officials recommend shorter COVID isolation, quarantine

U.S. health officials on Monday cut isolation restrictions for asymptomatic Americans who catch the coronavirus from 10 to five days, and similarly shortened the time that close contacts need to quarantine. The CDC’s isolation and quarantine guidance has confused the public, and the new...

www.yahoo.com

And the even better news is that Omicron appears to provide antibodies against other more deadly Covid variants.

South Africa study suggests Omicron could displace Delta

The study only covered a small group of people and has not been peer-reviewed, but it found that people who were infected with Omicron, especially those who were vaccinated, developed enhanced immunity to the Delta variant. The analysis enrolled 33 vaccinated and unvaccinated people who were...

www.yahoo.com

I've been very careful about all the "It isn't as bad!" news because I want that to be true and clearly so do many of the people reporting on it.
That creates a really strong incentive to read the data in a biased manner subconsciously and over project.
But as it has gone on for a while and multiple lines of evidence have converged, it does seem that it is "not as bad" - especially as fewer and fewer of the population is immune-naive.

The cross protection with other strains is surprising to me - usually if something evades the immune system developed by one the evasion will work both ways, so we may just have gotten very lucky here.

 

[bonerland citizen]

The cross protection with other strains is surprising to me - usually if something evades the immune system developed by one the evasion will work both ways, so we may just have gotten very lucky her

This is one of the few positive developments and I am sure it could be a divine unplanned anomaly that this "Omicron" Covid variant may act as a "live attenuated vaccine" giving us broad spectrum natural immunity that ends this crap.

 

[Valcazar]

This is one of the few positive developments and I am sure it could be a divine unplanned anomaly that this "Omicron" Covid variant may act as a "live attenuated vaccine" giving us broad spectrum natural immunity that ends this crap.

That is is both milder (for some variable of) and seems to block out others would be an amazing stroke of luck.
Milder but vastly more contagious will still fuck up hospital capacity, but if boosters do drop transmission again and vaccination keeps the hospitalizations down even more, we could get lucky. If they can make an omicron specific vax (even a booster) quickly it could really work out.

 

[gallantca]

This is because Legault/your Quebec government does not trust you and the other citizens of Quebec to do the right thing. So he is mandating curfews to enforce doing what he believes is the right thing. Here in the States, Governors ask citizens to do what the Governor thinks is right but we have not had mandatory curfews.

Basically it's like disciplining children as opposed to expecting people to act like adults. You send a child to his room and tell him he is grounded due to his misbehavior or the belief that he will engage in misbehavior. This is exactly what Legault is doing to you. He is sending you to your bedrooms, and you are grounded. One reason no American Governor will do this or any type of martial law is because Americans historically rebel at such measures.

The only time in Connecticut history anything Ike martial law happened was during the devastating floods of 1955, the worst in state history, which led to a massive re-design of the waterways in CT and the damming of rivers in the northern portion of the State. There was massive looting after those floods and then Governor Ribicoff issued controversial orders to the Connecticut National Guard to "shoot looters on sight." Although controversial at the time, the looting stopped almost immediately when that order was issued, and nobody was shot. But apart from that martial law is not part of who we are in the USA.

Cloud, if you are a hard working citizen who pays his taxes, Connecticut would welcome you. So would other States. You have a choice not to live under such austerity.

Just for hoots I looked today

Connecticut, 3.6 million people, today 86 deaths
Canada with 38 million people (more than10x), 26 deaths.

I guess the "live free and die" motto holds

 

[Francoquart]

Just for hoots I looked today

Connecticut, 3.6 million people, today 86 deaths
Canada with 38 million people (more than10x), 26 deaths.

I guess the "live free and die" motto holds

This is like means nothing.. Connecticut: 510,188 cases, death: 9,160 ratio: 9160/510188= o.o17 or 1.7 percent.. Lower than that would be dying through choking (exaggeration of course, but shows how much number just stated like that shows nothing). You need age group, circumstances, etc..
Canada Cases: 2,102,470 Deaths: 30,253 Ratio 30253/2102470= 0.014 or 1.4 percent which is roughly equal. So guess the Vaccine improved it by o.o3 percent (not worth the risk)

 

[cloudsurf]

What are you guys even talking about. What are you trying to prove . The only numbers that count are hospitalizations and deaths.
Cases counted by the government are only the tip of the iceberg. They may be 50% to 150% higher in the real world. Many if not most people don`t get tested when they get mildly ill, are asymptomatic or if they self test they don`t inform the government if they are positive.

 

[Like_It_Hot]

I know because the strippers I have on social media, last year most posted videos of parties during the last curfew.

Since a long time I was wondering where you got your annoying info from. I now see it is from first hand educated people. With a fine of $1,000 we will see what will happen. If you wish, you can copy/paste the same post you are always replicating dropping key words as: authoritarian, socialist, communist, leftist, etc...

 

[CLOUD 500]

Since a long time I was wondering where you got your annoying info from. I now see it is from first hand educated people. With a fine of $1,000 we will see what will happen. If you wish, you can copy/paste the same post you are always replicating dropping key words as: authoritarian, socialist, communist, leftist, etc...

Since you are a supporter of authoritarian governments, China would be a good place for you and suited to your type. People fleed those oppressive countries to live in a country that has freedom and respect the individual over the collective. Behold what they did in China. Maybe you can send a letter to Papa Lego and suggest to him to do this here. Oh yes when you talk about educated you mean indoctrinated to government propaganda right? Big difference!

Locked Down Chinese City Escalates To Strictest Covid Curbs, Bans Driving

The locked-down Chinese city of Xi'an on Monday tightened Covid-19 controls to the "strictest" level, banning residents from driving cars around town in an effort to control the country's worst outbreak in 21 months.

www.ndtv.com

Major Chinese city locks down to control Covid outbreak

The outbreak in Xi'an city — population 13 million — stems from the delta variant, authorities said.

www.cnbc.com

Keeping people locked up as prisoners for a cold seems ludicrous, I guess only this will satisfy you.

 

[gallantca]

This is like means nothing.. Connecticut: 510,188 cases, death: 9,160 ratio: 9160/510188= o.o17 or 1.7 percent.. Lower than that would be dying through choking (exaggeration of course, but shows how much number just stated like that shows nothing). You need age group, circumstances, etc..
Canada Cases: 2,102,470 Deaths: 30,253 Ratio 30253/2102470= 0.014 or 1.4 percent which is roughly equal. So guess the Vaccine improved it by o.o3 percent (not worth the risk)

I am glad to see you back. Fully recovered I hope

Good try.

Canada 30,280 deaths, CT 9160. You got that one right.

Let's call it 3x less on 10x less population ? Therefore about 3x more dead ? Would another 60,000 deaths been ok with you Franco ?

And don't try to turn this into vaccine efficacy because it has been well established that number would be 10x not 3x.

I am not saying CT is right or wrong. They give more freedom to the socially irresponsible. That's OK. Their choice.

I would be fine if Darwinism would kick in but the problem is the socially irresponsible take down the vulnerable as well.

EB is welcoming your with open arms (if you pay your taxes). You should go, it is a really nice place. No dictators there...well ....not yet.

 

[wetnose]

This is like means nothing.. Connecticut: 510,188 cases, death: 9,160 ratio: 9160/510188= o.o17 or 1.7 percent.. Lower than that would be dying through choking (exaggeration of course, but shows how much number just stated like that shows nothing). You need age group, circumstances, etc..
Canada Cases: 2,102,470 Deaths: 30,253 Ratio 30253/2102470= 0.014 or 1.4 percent which is roughly equal. So guess the Vaccine improved it by o.o3 percent (not worth the risk)

Did you even look at the percentage vaccinated of Connecticut vs Canada?

 

[Francoquart]

Did you even look at the percentage vaccinated of Connecticut vs Canada?

Missed the point sir. I was not trying to inform, I was showing that numbers can be used in statistics to prove any point you desire. Your question is correct, and not only that, but it should go further as the age group, peaks periods, hospital conditions, subject lifestyles, and more. Using numbers and ratio without a proper context is very misleading.

I am glad to see you back. Fully recovered I hope

Thanks man, yes we are fully recovered, we were lucky we only had mild symptoms.

Would another 60,000 deaths been ok with you Franco

Why would you ask me that? Are you trying to establish an image that I am ok with people dying? The whole post was to show how data can be manipulated to help your argument, so how is that a related question?

And don't try to turn this into vaccine efficacy because it has been well established that number would be 10x not 3x.

Established???? By whom exactly? In case you did not know, Doctors that believe this Vaccine to be very dangerous and unnecessary do exist.
You believe the world to be all clear and white or black, and that the media is extremely honest and has clarity and no bias. I believe we live in a world where the media is a mercenary for hiring, there is no black and white, but mostly grey.
This world is ruled by groups of interest that are corrupting officials, doctors, and what have you to get what they want. Not one pharmacy I have visited lately is not displaying ads regarding the other Vaccines (not COVID). Everyone wants to capitalize on this Vaccine fever.
Business is the biggest player in any situation in this world. It is up to us to decide what is in our best interest, this is why, and not matter what are the circumstances, freedom of choice cannot be negotiable.

The best proof is experience, not statistics or talks. The Vaccine has proven its inefficacity overall. Did it help some cases, maybe (cause we have no other comparison to be certain). Overall, the situation remains the same with or without the Vaccine. The lower death claim cannot be granted to the Vaccine, since lots of people have contracted it before, and immunity in general is improving toward the COVID.
Was a Vaccine necessary to a Virus that has a low kill ratio? Is imposing such a contested Vaccine the right move? Did our lazy politicians work harder and explore all other options carefully, or did they just copy each others because it was easier?

We all know for a fact that cigarettes are bad for health. Even smokers, which I used to be, knows that. If the Angels in power only care about our well being, why not forbid it? Simply because it is bad for business, and these companies of course pay their political campaigns. That is how the world works in every field. Your best and only defense are you personal rights and freedoms, that is why we need to point the finger at any abuse of that even if a comet was heading to our planet to destroy it (exaggeration of course, but you get the point) .
The strongest enemy to our freedom is FEAR. I remember when the pandemic started, we were getting videos' on social media of people falling in the street as if it was a Zombie apocalypse. At that time I was wondering what would be the purpose of spreading such fears, it is much clearer now
Say NO to Fear guys, and a bigger No to touching your freedoms.

 

[Womaniser]

I am glad to see you back. Fully recovered I hope

Good try.

Canada 30,280 deaths, CT 9160. You got that one right.

Let's call it 3x less on 10x less population ? Therefore about 3x more dead ? Would another 60,000 deaths been ok with you Franco ?

And don't try to turn this into vaccine efficacy because it has been well established that number would be 10x not 3x.

I am not saying CT is right or wrong. They give more freedom to the socially irresponsible. That's OK. Their choice.

I would be fine if Darwinism would kick in but the problem is the socially irresponsible take down the vulnerable as well.

EB is welcoming your with open arms (if you pay your taxes). You should go, it is a really nice place. No dictators there...well ....not yet.

Those who put freedom above everything should look at the Covid situation in the States that give the most freedom.

 

[gaby]

Sur les mesures annoncées hier..
1- couvre-feu.....perso. je peux vivre avec comme beaucoup de citoyens plus âgés MAIS m'interroge sérieusement sur son utilité/efficacité d'autant plus que beaucoup d' endroits....bars/restos/gyms/cinémas/casinos sont déjà fermés ...et je comprends que cela
dérange davantage les jeunes qui ont le goût de vivre et de profiter de la vie....espérons une durée d'une quinzaine de jours....décision purement politique.

2-fermeture des salles à manger....celle-là me tue.....lol...c'est actuellement ma seule distraction que j'affectionne énormément......d'autant plus avec le passeport vaccinal exigé, six personnes vaccinées max /2 bulles....donc des gens/personnes que l'on connaît bien
soit famille ou amis proches....et en plus qui devaient fermer à 22h.....non celle-là je ne la comprends pas et l'accepte difficilement en ce 31 Décembre....et oui prendre cette décision un 31 Décembre/ 1er Janvier.....alors que les restaurateurs---aux frigots bien remplis---
doivent encore payer la note....flagrant manque de jugement/respect et aussi envers les milliers/milliers de clients en attente d'une belle soirée---pour oublier 2021---et prêts à composer avec les mesures sanitaires en plus....non....vraiment désolant.
Au point ou nous en sommes aurait pu au moins attendre le 2 Janvier pour prendre de telles décisions.....my 2 cents en ce 31 Décembre......and HAPPY NEW YEAR quand même.....