Coronavirus

[gallantca]

This is like means nothing.. Connecticut: 510,188 cases, death: 9,160 ratio: 9160/510188= o.o17 or 1.7 percent.. Lower than that would be dying through choking (exaggeration of course, but shows how much number just stated like that shows nothing). You need age group, circumstances, etc..
Canada Cases: 2,102,470 Deaths: 30,253 Ratio 30253/2102470= 0.014 or 1.4 percent which is roughly equal. So guess the Vaccine improved it by o.o3 percent (not worth the risk)

I am glad to see you back. Fully recovered I hope

Good try.

Canada 30,280 deaths, CT 9160. You got that one right.

Let's call it 3x less on 10x less population ? Therefore about 3x more dead ? Would another 60,000 deaths been ok with you Franco ?

And don't try to turn this into vaccine efficacy because it has been well established that number would be 10x not 3x.

I am not saying CT is right or wrong. They give more freedom to the socially irresponsible. That's OK. Their choice.

I would be fine if Darwinism would kick in but the problem is the socially irresponsible take down the vulnerable as well.

EB is welcoming your with open arms (if you pay your taxes). You should go, it is a really nice place. No dictators there...well ....not yet.

 

[wetnose]

This is like means nothing.. Connecticut: 510,188 cases, death: 9,160 ratio: 9160/510188= o.o17 or 1.7 percent.. Lower than that would be dying through choking (exaggeration of course, but shows how much number just stated like that shows nothing). You need age group, circumstances, etc..
Canada Cases: 2,102,470 Deaths: 30,253 Ratio 30253/2102470= 0.014 or 1.4 percent which is roughly equal. So guess the Vaccine improved it by o.o3 percent (not worth the risk)

Did you even look at the percentage vaccinated of Connecticut vs Canada?

 

[Francoquart]

Did you even look at the percentage vaccinated of Connecticut vs Canada?

Missed the point sir. I was not trying to inform, I was showing that numbers can be used in statistics to prove any point you desire. Your question is correct, and not only that, but it should go further as the age group, peaks periods, hospital conditions, subject lifestyles, and more. Using numbers and ratio without a proper context is very misleading.

I am glad to see you back. Fully recovered I hope

Thanks man, yes we are fully recovered, we were lucky we only had mild symptoms.

Would another 60,000 deaths been ok with you Franco

Why would you ask me that? Are you trying to establish an image that I am ok with people dying? The whole post was to show how data can be manipulated to help your argument, so how is that a related question?

And don't try to turn this into vaccine efficacy because it has been well established that number would be 10x not 3x.

Established???? By whom exactly? In case you did not know, Doctors that believe this Vaccine to be very dangerous and unnecessary do exist.
You believe the world to be all clear and white or black, and that the media is extremely honest and has clarity and no bias. I believe we live in a world where the media is a mercenary for hiring, there is no black and white, but mostly grey.
This world is ruled by groups of interest that are corrupting officials, doctors, and what have you to get what they want. Not one pharmacy I have visited lately is not displaying ads regarding the other Vaccines (not COVID). Everyone wants to capitalize on this Vaccine fever.
Business is the biggest player in any situation in this world. It is up to us to decide what is in our best interest, this is why, and not matter what are the circumstances, freedom of choice cannot be negotiable.

The best proof is experience, not statistics or talks. The Vaccine has proven its inefficacity overall. Did it help some cases, maybe (cause we have no other comparison to be certain). Overall, the situation remains the same with or without the Vaccine. The lower death claim cannot be granted to the Vaccine, since lots of people have contracted it before, and immunity in general is improving toward the COVID.
Was a Vaccine necessary to a Virus that has a low kill ratio? Is imposing such a contested Vaccine the right move? Did our lazy politicians work harder and explore all other options carefully, or did they just copy each others because it was easier?

We all know for a fact that cigarettes are bad for health. Even smokers, which I used to be, knows that. If the Angels in power only care about our well being, why not forbid it? Simply because it is bad for business, and these companies of course pay their political campaigns. That is how the world works in every field. Your best and only defense are you personal rights and freedoms, that is why we need to point the finger at any abuse of that even if a comet was heading to our planet to destroy it (exaggeration of course, but you get the point) .
The strongest enemy to our freedom is FEAR. I remember when the pandemic started, we were getting videos' on social media of people falling in the street as if it was a Zombie apocalypse. At that time I was wondering what would be the purpose of spreading such fears, it is much clearer now
Say NO to Fear guys, and a bigger No to touching your freedoms.

 

[Womaniser]

I am glad to see you back. Fully recovered I hope

Good try.

Canada 30,280 deaths, CT 9160. You got that one right.

Let's call it 3x less on 10x less population ? Therefore about 3x more dead ? Would another 60,000 deaths been ok with you Franco ?

And don't try to turn this into vaccine efficacy because it has been well established that number would be 10x not 3x.

I am not saying CT is right or wrong. They give more freedom to the socially irresponsible. That's OK. Their choice.

I would be fine if Darwinism would kick in but the problem is the socially irresponsible take down the vulnerable as well.

EB is welcoming your with open arms (if you pay your taxes). You should go, it is a really nice place. No dictators there...well ....not yet.

Those who put freedom above everything should look at the Covid situation in the States that give the most freedom.

 

[gaby]

Sur les mesures annoncées hier..
1- couvre-feu.....perso. je peux vivre avec comme beaucoup de citoyens plus âgés MAIS m'interroge sérieusement sur son utilité/efficacité d'autant plus que beaucoup d' endroits....bars/restos/gyms/cinémas/casinos sont déjà fermés ...et je comprends que cela
dérange davantage les jeunes qui ont le goût de vivre et de profiter de la vie....espérons une durée d'une quinzaine de jours....décision purement politique.

2-fermeture des salles à manger....celle-là me tue.....lol...c'est actuellement ma seule distraction que j'affectionne énormément......d'autant plus avec le passeport vaccinal exigé, six personnes vaccinées max /2 bulles....donc des gens/personnes que l'on connaît bien
soit famille ou amis proches....et en plus qui devaient fermer à 22h.....non celle-là je ne la comprends pas et l'accepte difficilement en ce 31 Décembre....et oui prendre cette décision un 31 Décembre/ 1er Janvier.....alors que les restaurateurs---aux frigots bien remplis---
doivent encore payer la note....flagrant manque de jugement/respect et aussi envers les milliers/milliers de clients en attente d'une belle soirée---pour oublier 2021---et prêts à composer avec les mesures sanitaires en plus....non....vraiment désolant.
Au point ou nous en sommes aurait pu au moins attendre le 2 Janvier pour prendre de telles décisions.....my 2 cents en ce 31 Décembre......and HAPPY NEW YEAR quand même.....

 

[Bbw hunter]

Those who put freedom above everything should look at the Covid situation in the States that give the most freedom.

And once again to paraphrase Voltaire:
Those who put security before freedom deserve neither.

 

[bonerland citizen]

In reference to that VERY SCARY story I posted above.
New York state is already on it.
If they do this in the US they will do it in Canada.
Apparently they will vote on it in a week or so
Of course security before freedom.

'REMOVAL AND DETENTION OF CASES, CONTACTS AND CARRIERS WHO
ARE OR MAY BE A DANGER TO PUBLIC HEALTH"

NY State Assembly Bill A416https://www.nysenate.gov › legislation › bills › a416

 

[gallantca]

In reference to that VERY SCARY story I posted above.
New York state is already on it.
If they do this in the US they will do it in Canada.
Apparently they will vote on it in a week or so
Of course security before freedom.

'REMOVAL AND DETENTION OF CASES, CONTACTS AND CARRIERS WHO
ARE OR MAY BE A DANGER TO PUBLIC HEALTH"

NY State Assembly Bill A416https://www.nysenate.gov › legislation › bills › a416

If I were you I would be more worried about this one

Légis Québec

legisquebec.gouv.qc.ca

 

[gaby]

QUÉBEC ce 31 Décembre,

On termine l'année 2021 avec un record ce jour de 16,461 nouveaux cas .....13 décès supplémentaires .....124 hospitalisations de plus pour un total de 1063 et une augmentation de 13 aux soins intensifs pour un total de 151....taux de positivité de 31,7...
sur ce Bonne Année 2022.

 

[Womaniser]

And once again to paraphrase Voltaire:
Those who put security before freedom deserve neither.

In case you didn't know, Voltaire died in 1778 and was for freedom of spreech and freedom of religion in France.
Not absolute freedom.

 

[Francoquart]

In case you didn't know, Voltaire died in 1778 and was for freedom of spreech and freedom of religion in France.
Not absolute freedom.

Does not really matter, the statement is still valid. Plus what is absolute freedom? The right to choose? No freedom defender things of absolute freedom, as it equals chaos.
Freedom to chose to take a Vaccine that has proven shit without fear of reprisal and descrimination is not absolut freedom. Part of the problem of the pro vaccine argument is that they do not understand that the non vaccinated are not forcing them not to get vaccinated but it is the other way around. They are using fear, finger pointing, bashing, and bullying in general, as if they were all experts and doctors, and have the absolute truth. Realities on the ground, if it does not disprove them, it should at least make them think twice.

 

[bonerland citizen]

If I were you I would be more worried about this one

Yes haha. I did read something more relevant in the Montreal Gazette.
And the article is covid-vaccine related but the journalist carefully dilutes it with environmentalist activists.

Opinion: Forget al-Qaida. Canada's biggest security threats are now homegrown CSIS has elevated ideologically motivated, violent extremism to the highest threat to Canada, ahead of religious extremism.

Now in that article there was a link at the end that I found very significant.

Reimagining a Canadian National Security Strategy​

Centre for International Governance Innovation.
CSIS?..another cozy public private relationship with our "Government"

I read the pdf file article.

"The shock wave of COVID-19 and its looming
future effects highlight the urgent need for a
new, coordinated and forward-looking Canadian national security strategy that identifies emerging and non-traditional threats and considers their interrelationships."

Basically anyone that questions the vaccine politics or new world model is a terrorist and danger to public.

“The task at hand is to prevent our ‘brave new world’ from becoming a dystopian one,”

"The saying, attributed to Winston Churchill, “Never let a good crisis go to waste,” applies to the situation that Canada now faces. Our attention has been fixed, at least momentarily, on a fast- changing national security threat environment
by the experience of the COVID-19 pandemic."

Yea From what I read I could be classified as a public danger. That sucks. Oh well.

 

[Bbw hunter]

In case you didn't know, Voltaire died in 1778 and was for freedom of spreech and freedom of religion in France.
Not absolute freedom.

So in other words he was for freedom against tyranny.
Thanks for reinforcing my point!
PS I love how you think I "didn't know " haha.

 

[cloudsurf]

Another discomfort for the selfishly un-vaxxed in Canada. Not eligible for UI benefits if fired for disobeying the jab mandate .
This may go to court. The government will surely be sued by Unions and class action suits that may end up at the Supreme Court.

 

[sene5hos]

Thursday December 30:

USA:
+ 582 k new cases
1,417 dead

 

[Womaniser]

Does not really matter, the statement is still valid. Plus what is absolute freedom? The right to choose? No freedom defender things of absolute freedom, as it equals chaos.
Freedom to chose to take a Vaccine that has proven shit without fear of reprisal and descrimination is not absolut freedom. Part of the problem of the pro vaccine argument is that they do not understand that the non vaccinated are not forcing them not to get vaccinated but it is the other way around. They are using fear, finger pointing, bashing, and bullying in general, as if they were all experts and doctors, and have the absolute truth. Realities on the ground, if it does not disprove them, it should at least make them think twice.

The few (10%) non-vaccinated contribute largely to keeping me from enjoying my hoppies and sports.
I think they should exert their freedom to the fullest by not going to hospitals if they get sick with Covid !

 

[sene5hos]

Very good idea.

 

[Francoquart]

The few (10%) non-vaccinated contribute largely to keeping me from enjoying my hoppies and sports.
I think they should exert their freedom to the fullest by not going to hospitals if they get sick with Covid !

Yes intolerance and extremism is unfortunately part of our society. Good thing they represent a minority even though loud. Hopefully, we will keep you from enjoying your hobbies for a long time exercising our rights to choose.

 

[minutemenX]

The few (10%) non-vaccinated contribute largely to keeping me from enjoying my hoppies and sports.
I think they should exert their freedom to the fullest by not going to hospitals if they get sick with Covid !

As I know Quebec has now more than 80% of adult population vaccinated. A lot of unvaccinated people already had COVID and thus do not want to be vaccinated. So, it is probably close to 90%. I know a guy in US that had COVID 3 times, one serious and 2 very mild and he is still pressed by his employer to be vaccinated. Is it rational? I think the blame on unvaccinated people is misdirected. By all theories if vaccines work, we should already be in the heard immunity territory and will not see the “tsunami” with OMICRON. The unvaccinated people are not at the root of the current situation, even for the hospitalization (the data shown by Patron was pre-Omicron and are not reliable now). COVID has mutated and immunity induced by vaccines declined more rapidly than expected. New modernized vaccines can’t be produced on time. Just face the reality. The only real answer is effective medicine that is not sensitive to mutation and prevents hospitalization. We have one developed by Phizer. A few pills cost $700. Governments already spent a fortune on vaccines and do not have money for this treatment. It is approved but is largely unavailable. But we have plenty of vaccines. So, have a shot, it is not helpful but will calm you down.

 

[gallantca]

As I know Quebec has now more than 80% of adult population vaccinated. A lot of unvaccinated people already had COVID and thus do not want to be vaccinated. So, it is probably close to 90%. I know a guy in US that had COVID 3 times, one serious and 2 very mild and he is still pressed by his employer to be vaccinated. Is it rational? I think the blame on unvaccinated people is misdirected. By all theories if vaccines work, we should already be in the heard immunity territory and will not see the “tsunami” with OMICRON. The unvaccinated people are not at the root of the current situation, even for the hospitalization (the data shown by Patron in the was pre-Omicron and are not reliable now). COVID has mutated and immunity induced by vaccines declined more rapidly than expected. New modernized vaccines can’t be produced on time. Just face the reality. The only real answer is effective medicine that is not sensitive to mutation and prevents hospitalization. We have one developed by Phizer. A few pills cost $700. Governments already spent a fortune on vaccines and do not have money for this treatment. It is approved but is largely unavailable. But we have plenty of vaccines. So, have a shot, it is not helpful but will calm you down.

On herd immunity : the % of vaccination required to reach her immunity depends on the contagiousness of the virus. Since delta and then omicron became so contagious, the % went up to the point it is unachievable

People are pointing their finger at the unvaccinated because they represent a disproportional amount of hospital resources. It was 50% of hospitalizations. If these people were vaccinated, hospitalizations would be more than 40% less. That is a lot. People that don't like these facts question the underlying data but the data is there. As the numbers spiral up, this 50% will drop but will remain significant.

While the unvaccinated are making the problem significantly worst, they are not the root cause. A weak healthcare system is the problem Other provinces have similar unvaccinated rates and are not in lock down because their hospital systems are not as stretched.

We still have one of the highest vaccination rates in the world. To have a system that relies on 100% vaccination is ridiculous.

The government should continue to push vaccination while fixing the system. That probably means limiting contact for the most susceptible to hospitalization (the unvaccinated). The will probably focus more on the unvaccinated than the root case, which in the end will get us nowhere.