And once again to paraphrase Voltaire:
Those who put security before freedom deserve neither.
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Those who put security before freedom deserve neither.
In reference to that VERY SCARY story I posted above.
New York state is already on it.
If they do this in the US they will do it in Canada.
Apparently they will vote on it in a week or so
Of course security before freedom.
'REMOVAL AND DETENTION OF CASES, CONTACTS AND CARRIERS WHO
ARE OR MAY BE A DANGER TO PUBLIC HEALTH"
NY State Assembly Bill A416https://www.nysenate.gov › legislation › bills › a416
New York state is already on it.
If they do this in the US they will do it in Canada.
Apparently they will vote on it in a week or so
Of course security before freedom.
'REMOVAL AND DETENTION OF CASES, CONTACTS AND CARRIERS WHO
ARE OR MAY BE A DANGER TO PUBLIC HEALTH"
NY State Assembly Bill A416https://www.nysenate.gov › legislation › bills › a416
QUÉBEC ce 31 Décembre,
On termine l'année 2021 avec un record ce jour de 16,461 nouveaux cas
.....13 décès supplémentaires .....124 hospitalisations de plus pour un total de 1063 et une augmentation de 13 aux soins intensifs pour un total de 151....taux de positivité de 31,7...
sur ce Bonne Année 2022.
On termine l'année 2021 avec un record ce jour de 16,461 nouveaux cas
.....13 décès supplémentaires .....124 hospitalisations de plus pour un total de 1063 et une augmentation de 13 aux soins intensifs pour un total de 151....taux de positivité de 31,7...sur ce Bonne Année 2022.
In case you didn't know, Voltaire died in 1778 and was for freedom of spreech and freedom of religion in France.
Not absolute freedom.
Does not really matter, the statement is still valid. Plus what is absolute freedom? The right to choose? No freedom defender things of absolute freedom, as it equals chaos.
Freedom to chose to take a Vaccine that has proven shit without fear of reprisal and descrimination is not absolut freedom. Part of the problem of the pro vaccine argument is that they do not understand that the non vaccinated are not forcing them not to get vaccinated but it is the other way around. They are using fear, finger pointing, bashing, and bullying in general, as if they were all experts and doctors, and have the absolute truth. Realities on the ground, if it does not disprove them, it should at least make them think twice.
Yes haha. I did read something more relevant in the Montreal Gazette.
And the article is covid-vaccine related but the journalist carefully dilutes it with environmentalist activists.
Opinion: Forget al-Qaida. Canada's biggest security threats are now homegrown CSIS has elevated ideologically motivated, violent extremism to the highest threat to Canada, ahead of religious extremism.
Now in that article there was a link at the end that I found very significant.
Reimagining a Canadian National Security Strategy
Centre for International Governance Innovation.CSIS?..another cozy public private relationship with our "Government"
I read the pdf file article.
"The shock wave of COVID-19 and its looming
future effects highlight the urgent need for a
new, coordinated and forward-looking Canadian national security strategy that identifies emerging and non-traditional threats and considers their interrelationships."
Basically anyone that questions the vaccine politics or new world model is a terrorist and danger to public.
“The task at hand is to prevent our ‘brave new world’ from becoming a dystopian one,”
"The saying, attributed to Winston Churchill, “Never let a good crisis go to waste,” applies to the situation that Canada now faces. Our attention has been fixed, at least momentarily, on a fast- changing national security threat environment
by the experience of the COVID-19 pandemic."
Yea From what I read I could be classified as a public danger. That sucks. Oh well.
So in other words he was for freedom against tyranny.
Thanks for reinforcing my point!
PS I love how you think I "didn't know " haha.
Another discomfort for the selfishly un-vaxxed in Canada. Not eligible for UI benefits if fired for disobeying the jab mandate .
This may go to court. The government will surely be sued by Unions and class action suits that may end up at the Supreme Court.
This may go to court. The government will surely be sued by Unions and class action suits that may end up at the Supreme Court.
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The few (10%) non-vaccinated contribute largely to keeping me from enjoying my hoppies and sports.
I think they should exert their freedom to the fullest by not going to hospitals if they get sick with Covid !
Yes intolerance and extremism is unfortunately part of our society. Good thing they represent a minority even though loud. Hopefully, we will keep you from enjoying your hobbies for a long time exercising our rights to choose.
As I know Quebec has now more than 80% of adult population vaccinated. A lot of unvaccinated people already had COVID and thus do not want to be vaccinated. So, it is probably close to 90%. I know a guy in US that had COVID 3 times, one serious and 2 very mild and he is still pressed by his employer to be vaccinated. Is it rational? I think the blame on unvaccinated people is misdirected. By all theories if vaccines work, we should already be in the heard immunity territory and will not see the “tsunami” with OMICRON. The unvaccinated people are not at the root of the current situation, even for the hospitalization (the data shown by Patron was pre-Omicron and are not reliable now). COVID has mutated and immunity induced by vaccines declined more rapidly than expected. New modernized vaccines can’t be produced on time. Just face the reality. The only real answer is effective medicine that is not sensitive to mutation and prevents hospitalization. We have one developed by Phizer. A few pills cost $700. Governments already spent a fortune on vaccines and do not have money for this treatment. It is approved but is largely unavailable. But we have plenty of vaccines. So, have a shot, it is not helpful but will calm you down.
On herd immunity : the % of vaccination required to reach her immunity depends on the contagiousness of the virus. Since delta and then omicron became so contagious, the % went up to the point it is unachievable
People are pointing their finger at the unvaccinated because they represent a disproportional amount of hospital resources. It was 50% of hospitalizations. If these people were vaccinated, hospitalizations would be more than 40% less. That is a lot. People that don't like these facts question the underlying data but the data is there. As the numbers spiral up, this 50% will drop but will remain significant.
While the unvaccinated are making the problem significantly worst, they are not the root cause. A weak healthcare system is the problem Other provinces have similar unvaccinated rates and are not in lock down because their hospital systems are not as stretched.
We still have one of the highest vaccination rates in the world. To have a system that relies on 100% vaccination is ridiculous.
The government should continue to push vaccination while fixing the system. That probably means limiting contact for the most susceptible to hospitalization (the unvaccinated). The will probably focus more on the unvaccinated than the root case, which in the end will get us nowhere.
Measles is much more contagious than Omicron and yet vaccination is effective because it does not mutate as much as CORONA viruses.
Yo Yo Legault and his 2 minions had more than 2 years to improve hospitals and get ready for a variant such as Omicron, yet he did practically nothing there aren’t more beds, nurses, doctors or health care workers and even old age homes are still relatively the same.
Instead he thinks curfews are the answer for which there is no proof whatsoever.
He fucked up on rolling out booster shots which is probably the one thing that has the largest impact on hospitalization.
Yet these 3 Musketeers are still popular go figure.
Basically it has come to the point that there are no rapid tests, No PCR tests, no nurses or doctors, no beds you are on your own, you either make it through or die but don’t go outside or visit your family or friends because then we will fine you, we can always use the money for our next election campaign.
I was all for the vaccine passport in the beginning but now it is totally useless you are almost as likely to get Covid from someone who is fully vaccinated.
Instead he thinks curfews are the answer for which there is no proof whatsoever.
He fucked up on rolling out booster shots which is probably the one thing that has the largest impact on hospitalization.
Yet these 3 Musketeers are still popular go figure.
Basically it has come to the point that there are no rapid tests, No PCR tests, no nurses or doctors, no beds you are on your own, you either make it through or die but don’t go outside or visit your family or friends because then we will fine you, we can always use the money for our next election campaign.
I was all for the vaccine passport in the beginning but now it is totally useless you are almost as likely to get Covid from someone who is fully vaccinated.
Don't get infected is or should be the main strategy there.
Ned Lamont secures 426,000 Test Kits for Connecticut:
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Lamont secures 426,000 COVID tests; hospitals restrict visitors
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I am no expert on Measles or herd immunity but I believe due to the contagiousness of measles vaccination rates of 90something percent is required and even then does not guarantee against breakouts.
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