Coronavirus

[Doc Holliday]

The world can't be on complete lockdown for a year... its too insane.

Well, we live in insane times like it has never been seen in over a 100 years....so anything's possible. It wouldn't surprise me if we're still in this position a year from now and it possibly lasts until the summer of 2021. I really hope not, but it wouldn't surprise me. It also wouldn't surprise me if the US/Canada border remains closed down for at least another year. Things will likely get much worse in the United States....especially if Trump gets his way & forces people to get back to work in a 3 weeks. But i hope common sense prevails.

 

[EagerBeaver]

We can’t be in this position a year from now. If the economy remains shutdown the supply chain will eventually erode and nobody will have any food or basic necessities of living. Hunting and fishing may be doable for some people but we have too large a population to feed everyone. Think Biafra in the early 1970s- those who don’t die from illness starved to death or died of malnutrition. This is the reason why the economy can’t stay shut down for 3 months- not because “life is boring.” Think Supply Chain. If things stay shut down it will disappear. Do not take it for granted that you will be able to eat if the economy is shut down for a year. Even if you have a 1 year supply of Maruchan Ramen Noodle soup (just add boiling water), can you survive eating nothing but? Where is the vitamin C and D in that diet?

 

[jalimon]

If you look at the flight sky of China as of now you can see that they are getting back to life. Even Wuhan as in and out internal flights. School and commerce are re-opening. It took them 2 months. But not full 2 months confinement for all regions. Will it be the same for Europe? For America?

If you look at serious case in Spain versus Italy you quickly see that Italy has a superior healthcare system (which is well known in Europe). That will be something to look for in the US. Will poor people die in more important quantity (as I suspect in Spain). And/or will the generally more unfit USA versus Europe or China will be an important factor?

 

[jalimon]

Interesting. Patron I am sure our leaders know of such positive scenario. But they cannot announce or act based on such because:
1. Current curb of affected is still too high for our healthcare system
2. Fear that population will mix up the ease of social distancing measure with full liberty

But I am too quite positive regarding the next weeks. We will have a peak in about 6-7 days. Which will last 10 days before we can ease up and slowly get back to regular life.

 

[cloudsurf]

A 21 year old woman in England with no prior health issues has died of covid19.

For you under 40`s its not only the old and sick who are at risk. Stay healthy and self quarantine.

 

[Rinzler]

Here is a study that might not generate as many objections from some of you, since the researchers have not appeared on Chinese news networks.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/oxford-study-suggests-millions-people-221100162.htm

the link to the paper can be found on twitter and from the discussion that follows it appears the FT misquoted the researcher. also the study is a draft awaiting further review

https://twitter.com/EEID_oxford/status/1242402762283012096

 

[Cruiser777]

We can’t be in this position a year from now. If the economy remains shutdown the supply chain
will eventually erode and nobody will have any food or basic necessities of living.

Don't you worry EB

Guess who will be coming to the rescue...

https://www.business-standard.com/a...ical-equipment-from-china-120032501367_1.html

 

[Meta not Meta]

#COVID19 – Au Québec, en date du 25 mars 13h, la situation est la suivante:

1339 cas confirmés
6 décès
1 personne guérie
2998 personnes sous investigation
26 634 analyses négatives

Pour connaître le nombre de cas confirmés par régions: https://t.co/QtUVbjUAun

 

[Doc Holliday]

If you look at serious case in Spain versus Italy you quickly see that Italy has a superior healthcare system (which is well known in Europe). That will be something to look for in the US. Will poor people die in more important quantity (as I suspect in Spain). And/or will the generally more unfit USA versus Europe or China will be an important factor?

I read that Italy has the 2nd-best healthcare system in the world. The problem with them is that the population is considerably older than many other countries, which is quite possibly a result of it's top-notch healthcare system. That's why the death numbers are so high.

 

[malboro_man]

The panic (like a virus itself) does more damage than the virus.

Nonetheless, it is a dangerous virus. I have read a non-reviewed paper that's really scary.
I am not sure I should mention it. You can always google.

If the whole world lockdowned sooner, this would not have happened. India is doing an
impressive 21-day shutdown for its 1.3 billion people.

 

[cloudsurf]

There is a study out of China that found that different blood groups had different outcomes when it came to getting covid19. Blood group A is the highest and O is the lowest. Now this study has not been authenticated yet by a peer group.

 

[malboro_man]

I saw that too....the virus is supposed to affect Asians and Middle Easterners more because of the higher number of ACE2 receptors.

The study I had in mind is quite controversial. It's by an Indian group. They later withdrew their paper, perhaps out of pressure from way high up.

 

[cloudsurf]

Just imagine the horror if the coronavirus broke out in the ghetto part of Mumbai were people are packed in like sardines . Or for that matter in Rio in Brazil.

 

[malboro_man]

Totally agree....I think some people take this too lightly...it's just another flu. If that were the case, China would not have shut down Wuhan and later half the country. Some people do have stronger immunity or are not as genetically susceptible, so this may just be another flu. It all depends. The virus and the economic consequence is just one big sh1t sandwich and everyone has to take a bite. Perhaps it's the reason alot of CEOs resigned recently in January, seeing what the virus can do to the economy.

 

[The Nature Boy]

Darlings,

a nice little article written in lay terms explaining the failure of what many are proposing with the “herd immunity” theory. Also, the big thing about this novel virus is that we are still learning every day of oddball cases popping up more often, ie “not your typical elderly fuck that was gonna die anyway”, younger peeps

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...herd-immunity-to-beat-coronavirus-we-need-it/

 

[Meta not Meta]

So what's the deal with Japan?

Oldest population in the world, densely populated cities, basic democratic freedoms, close to China, etc ...

... yet not as badly affected as Italy, Spain ... and the US, I think?

 

[Meta not Meta]

BTW, it looks like XO & VL have shut down ...

 

[jalimon]

Darlings, a nice little article written in lay terms explaining the failure of what many are proposing with the “herd immunity” theory.

Mes petites biches,

Good article. Such heard theory are mostly based on measles. Which used to be highly contagious (infection up to 18 persons). Which was mostly eradicate thanks to vaccines (and thanks to those who believe in them). But with a mortality rate of 1 out of 3000 cases measles is not at the same level of problem as with covind-19. We will need to fight this one.

 

[The Nature Boy]

Meta,

japan probably tested the shit out of everyone when cases 1st started popping up like Singapore and like South Korea. From there it’s easier to go into contact tracing and mitigation luv. Lot easier to do this @ the beginning of a disease as it is emerging before it propagates and community spread becomes rampant

 

[Meta not Meta]

SWs and others take note:

I'm far from an expert here, so maybe someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but ...

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