Coronavirus

[Halloween Mike]

I don't remember who posted that link to Radio-Quebec but thanks a lot. It makes a lot of sense and i been following the guy since.

Im happy they finally started talking herd immunity and opening back stuff. Its a process we have to go trough.

This virus is not the T-Virus guys... its not you get it you die. Its a tiny more severe than a severe pneumonia and more contagious. But the reality is out of the 20k something confirmed case in Quebec. Probably you can double that to get true numbers on how much peoples did got it (but were never tested/reported) . Peoples tend to forget how much peoples dies each year from the flu.

In Canada its 3500 per year. Right now eveeybody that dies is counted as covid 19 so it inflate stats.

Medias spreaded fear (and i was the first to fall for it) and now even the gov says deconfaniment and immunity of society is the only option. Gonna be hard to change the mind of scared peoples but in a way thats what they want to "flatten the curve". They don't want everybody out at same time.

 

[hungry101]

. Make no mistake about this, Trump is a dangerous political animal that will do anything to win.

No different than about 95% of the politicians.

 

[jalimon]

Im happy they finally started talking herd immunity and opening back stuff. Its a process we have to go trough.

HM currently there is no scientific study that proves that there is immunity for this virus. South Korea published a report that a bit more then 200 got reinfected by the virus. They are currently studying why.

Cheers,

p.s. You should follow scientific studies instead of "charlatan" like the Radio-Quebec dude.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Trump is distracting us from news reports that he owes millions to the Bank of China, a loan that is due in his 2nd term. Make no mistake about this, Trump is a dangerous political animal that will do anything to win.

Very true. And that's why there's the emoluments clause, which has not been followed by this administration. A foreign adversary & a world power now literally owns the President of the United States. His survival literally depends on the Chinese. He knows & they know it. And more & more people are finding this out. They have him cornered. Will he sell the country out in order to save his own skin? Don't bet against it!

 

[OnJustALark]

... His survival literally depends on the Chinese. ...!

Sounds like a typical CNN screen banner ... dramatic, eye-catching, and totally FAKE NEWS ... so overblown "survival literally depends" OMGosh ... could be a writer for CNN MSNBC or other liberal propaganda rag

 

[OnJustALark]

... This virus is not the T-Virus guys... its not you get it you die. .... Peoples tend to forget how much peoples dies each year from the flu.

...Medias spreaded fear (and i was the first to fall for it) ... .

Well written positive summary ... some may tell you to "follow the science" and shame you into believing that not doing so make you inferior and ignorant ... everyone has an agenda - even scientists. Someone is paying their salaries too .... always question everything or you become one-dimensional and ignorant.

Nice post HMike

 

[Doc Holliday]

This virus is not the T-Virus guys... its not you get it you die. Its a tiny more severe than a severe pneumonia and more contagious. But the reality is out of the 20k something confirmed case in Quebec. Probably you can double that to get true numbers on how much peoples did got it (but were never tested/reported) . Peoples tend to forget how much peoples dies each year from the flu.

Very good point! They now figure that less than 0.5% of those infected with COVID-19 eventually end up dying from it. That figure will likely go down once massive testing starts taking place. The media keeps on reporting the negatives & the tearjerker stories. But that's always been the media, so it should not be suprising. For ever 12-year old girl that unfortunately ends up dying from coronavirus there's hundreds of thousands who are asymptomatic or only have mild symptoms and end up recovering. But you rarely hear about those stories. All you hear is the young girl who died. The thirty year-old husband and father of two young children who died. The celebrities who end up getting infected and people who've suffered tremendously while recovering from COVID-19. But rarely do you hear about the majority who aren't affected or barely are. When it comes to the media it's always a glass half-empty mentality instead of the glass half-full one.

But the main reason for social distancing and the shutdowns is to control the amount of population being infected & possibly getting sick. In my province only 12% of those infected end up requiring hospitalization. This is good! However since this particular virus is very easy to spread more & more people end up getting infected & the majority of them don't even realize it. However in a large population 12% requiring hospitalization would be astronomical if they'd all end up getting infected at the same time. Hospitals & the health care system wouldn't be able to cope & would be overwhelmed. The same thing with a smaller local hospital in town of let's say 10 000 habitants. Let's say out those 5000 get infected. If 12% of them require hospitalization at once this would mean 600 people would need to be hospitalized. Most of hospitals in a small town don't even have 100 beds available. So on top of the non-coronavirus patients needing a hospital bed how could they cope with patients needing at least 6 times their current capacity of beds? That's why we're social distancing and currently in lockdown.

 

[OnJustALark]

Common sense from Wall Street Journal columnist, Holman Jenkins.



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To your point Capt .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTLii-e_UtY

Thank you for your post.

 

[jalimon]

Doc the number of bed is only part of the problem. As I wrote before for 1 hospitalized in Quebec nearly 4 healthcare workers got infected. If you open up 100 bed you also need to make sure you have the staff to handle these beds.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Doc the number of bed is only part of the problem. As I wrote before for 1 hospitalized in Quebec nearly 4 healthcare workers got infected. If you open up 100 bed you also need to make sure you have the staff to handle these beds.

Great point! And it's not only with healthcare workers. Police, fire department, EMS and other essential workers are also very important and they also need to be protected as much as possible.

 

[The Nature Boy]

Its a tiny more severe than a severe pneumonia and more contagious.

hi Mike,

im sorry brother but this is an extremely silly comment. A severe pneumonia is a severe pneumonia. It can land someone in the hospital and kill someone

with respect to these South Korean “reinfection” claims, what r possibilities?

1. The tests were duds, and results were bullshit
2. The tests pick up remnant viral components which are non transmissible and will not make you sick
3. Its a true reinfection, if this is the case, it would be a funky coronavirus for reinfection. Even for the cold you have some level of immunity for a few months.

also with all the questions about whether these antibodies mean anything, again, what r the possibilities?

1. U have antibodies and they are neutralizing and they will hold you over till vaccine?
2. They r worthless. No immunity. If you are someone who has died, well, it is what it is, end of story. If you lived whether you were in hospital or didn’t know you had it, for you to have even more severe disease the second time you got it would again be a bit funky

chances are the antibodies will provide some level of immunity, how long or how much is the question. Getting more sick the second time around......I don’t know, possible, but unlikely

 

[cloudsurf]

They now figure that less than 0.5% of those infected with COVID-19 eventually end up dying from it.

Doc who is THEY ? Yes in well governed and mostly island states like Singapore and New Zealand , the death rate is a fraction of a percent....but the population has to follow very strict isolation rules. Viet Nam may be the only large country with no deaths reported.

On the other hand in Sweden where they are doing very little in they way of restrictions, the death rate is over 10%. Italy , Spain and G.B. the rate is also hovering around 10%. Messy USA is 5% and rising. Germany supposedly doing a great job is 3.5% So where do THEY get the 0.5% ?

 

[hungry101]

Some of the latest stats I heard bandied about are interesting. If you are put on a ventilator your chance of survival is ~10-12%. Heck that hardly makes them worth it...unless you or someone you love is that 1 in 10 that makes it. There has got to be a better way.

Listening to Ben Shapiro lately...He was citing several studies such as the one in LA and the other in Santa Clara County. He was saying that the virus has a mortality rate of 0.2 to 0.3% or about 2x to 3x that of the flu. The complicating factor is that it is also about 3x contagious than the flu so that it is about 6x to 9x worse than the flu. And when they consider the increased death rate from staying at home that makes this even worse.

 

[jalimon]

And when they consider the increased death rate from staying at home that makes this even worse.

I agree with that but how in hell can it be calculated?

hi Mike,
im sorry brother but this is an extremely silly comment. A severe pneumonia is a severe pneumonia. It can land someone in the hospital and kill someone

A pneumonia is an infection and not a virus. Often caught because of a virus, bacteria or germs.

chances are the antibodies will provide some level of immunity, how long or how much is the question. Getting more sick the second time around......I don’t know, possible, but unlikely

Correct. The scientist based the possible immunity because of other same type of virus. But they want proof of it and that is what we do not have at this moment. So any decision based on natural herd immunity is very risky at this time.

 

[The Nature Boy]

And when they consider the increased death rate from staying at home that makes this even worse.

true, a lot of people here in U.K. who would normally go to casualty/ER for chest pain, stroke like symptoms, suspected broken bones are not going to facilities for fear of getting exposed to covid, some are sadly expiring @ home

 

[sene5hos]

Do you know why Trump gave 2 hour press conferences every day?

The answer is very simple: he had an audience of at least 8,000,000 people each time, while Biden had no exposure.

But with the monumental blunder he had made on the injection of disinfectant to kill the virus, he became very irritated by questions from journalists, and yesterday his speech lasted barely 30 minutes, and his conference today has been canceled, and he thinks (nuance people around him think, because he doesn't have the capacity to think) of perhaps diminishing by much or outright doing it less often.

In short, he doesn't give a damn about people, he only thinks about being re-elected in November.

 

[bignasty]

Common sense from Wall Street Journal columnist, Holman Jenkins.

And, for God’s sake, the media should stop confusing “infection fatality rate” with “case fatality rate,” grotesquely misleading the public on the true death rate. It’s hard to see why anybody would even report case fatality rate, a number without meaning since most of those tested either had celebrity access to testing or symptoms severe enough to require hospitalization (i.e., the equivalent of counting drunks and people who drive blue Austin-Healeys to estimate the risk of dying in a car accident).

There was some idiot in a previous post arguing that the U.S. death rate is much worse than Spain and Italy. He totally ignored the fact that while those 2 Countries may have had approximately 1/2 the death totals of the U.S. their populations of roughly 60 million pale in comparison to the U.S. population of 330 million. And, at this point there is little to be gained by scaring people with inflated death rates, since as the WSJ article pointed out, we have no idea how many people have been infected by this virus. The studies mentioned by Hungry in California do suggest that the numbers are over inflated and that the actual rates may be comparable to the annual influenza virus.

Excellent quote Captain

 

[cloudsurf]

I agree that its not logical to compare the US death rate with that of Italy and Spain because of the population difference. As a percent the US is 5% compared to 10% for the 4 hardest hit European countries.
But one statistic is shocking and hard to ignore . The US accounts for one quarter of the world`s total covid19 deaths. Is that because they are more honest in reporting numbers, or the rest of the world will only catch up in a few weeks or months, or that the US response was too slow and too late. Maybe all of those reasons

 

[OnJustALark]

... or that the US response was too slow and too late. Maybe all of those reasons

NY accounts for almost half HALF of all deaths and cases in the US ... so maybe the question should be directed to liberal buddies Cuomo and DeBlasio .... ill-prepared and ill-equipped to handle things in their State ... Thank one isn't trying to handle things for our country any longer, and the other ... him and his brother can find a dark room to cuddle in together.

 

[The Nature Boy]

There was some idiot in a previous post arguing that the U.S. death rate is much worse than Spain and Italy. He totally ignored the fact that while those 2 Countries may have had approximately 1/2 the death totals of the U.S. their populations of roughly 60 million pale in comparison to the U.S. population of 330 million.

hey Big B,

think I may be that idiot. Yes, it was a stupid comparison. I was looking at the #’s in absolutes and not looking at over all grand scheme of things. Much like your analysis of that Santa Clara and La county report of projected cases and comparison to the flu which in the same way doesn’t take into the overall picture. I’m not sure the take away lesson is that the mortality rate would be comparable to the flu, you fuckin silly goose you. But more likely that the transmission of covid-19 is insane and that more people out there have it and don’t know it and can pass it on to even more people who can have a potentially bad out come