Coronavirus
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Less idiot... would that really be a bad thing? I look forward to watching the media ask Trump if he willing to try on himself to show it cause no harm! Gonna be one interesting press conference.
Connecticut to Reopen In June
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wt...ay-not-reopen-until-june-at-the-earliest/amp/
Keep in mind businesses here have to reopen in June because the stimulus monies are designed to carry small businesses through June and no longer. After that, everyone will be in trouble and bankruptcies would have to be filed in droves.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wt...ay-not-reopen-until-june-at-the-earliest/amp/
Keep in mind businesses here have to reopen in June because the stimulus monies are designed to carry small businesses through June and no longer. After that, everyone will be in trouble and bankruptcies would have to be filed in droves.
I just watched Fox news talking about it. Please note: He asked a question. It was a stupid one but it was a question. This was not advice. Sort of like chemo. How does that work? True chemo kills everything. Thank God that now there are more targeted treatments. How about vaccines? For vaccines they inject dead virus - oh my!!!! Read about the first rabies vaccine....Oh my!!!
In Michigan we can now go on boats with motors, buy grass seed and paint, plant in our gardens and hire out lawn care and even travel to our remote hunting cabins.
I think its inevitable this virus must spread and we should protect the elderly because they die like 97% of them
by isolating them, the time the population catch it and build an immunity system unless you want to stay in quarantine until a vaccine comes out in 12 to 24 months & thats If the virus doesn't mutate. There is just no choice to open up the economy, which mean school because parents have to work. I wouldnt be worry if i was under 70 years old. Its been proven, old folks are at risk.. we have to build a system to ensure they are safe, while we can work and live because the psychology and economic consequences are way worst.
Plus i want a massage
by isolating them, the time the population catch it and build an immunity system unless you want to stay in quarantine until a vaccine comes out in 12 to 24 months & thats If the virus doesn't mutate. There is just no choice to open up the economy, which mean school because parents have to work. I wouldnt be worry if i was under 70 years old. Its been proven, old folks are at risk.. we have to build a system to ensure they are safe, while we can work and live because the psychology and economic consequences are way worst.
Plus i want a massage
^we dont even know that there is lasting immunity that develops as a result of an infection. its just speculation
and people under 70 should definitely worry about getting it. there is just no guarantee that youll have mild symptoms. someone at work caught it and was out of commission for 20 days. in his mid50s, got so sick that he almost had to go to the hospital
we cant say indoors forever but things cant resume as they were before the crisis started. massages and seeing escorts just wont fit in the picture for a long while
and people under 70 should definitely worry about getting it. there is just no guarantee that youll have mild symptoms. someone at work caught it and was out of commission for 20 days. in his mid50s, got so sick that he almost had to go to the hospital
we cant say indoors forever but things cant resume as they were before the crisis started. massages and seeing escorts just wont fit in the picture for a long while
ok then maybe you can drink a bottle of bleach if you catch covid-19 and let us know how that worked out for you after
I really don't know why he goes on these ramblings that makes absolutely non sense. I really think he does it to make himself look knowledgeable. He sounds like a senile grand-pa!
Later in the briefing he says the USA have done more testing then all other country combined. It takes 1 second to find the proof this is completely not true. But he does not care about a lying every 3 sentences. In fact he does not know how to say the truth. He has no clue. A life of lying makes you reverse what's a lie from what's true.
He is absolutely really dangerous for America.
People over 70 are at the highest risk of dying , but the majority of the 20% that end up in the hospital are under 60. Also many of those suffering heart, kidney and stroke complications from covid are under 40.
On another topic . The death rate for different countries as stated by some on this thread is misleading or false. It varies from 0% in some non democratic countries to 10% in Italy and Spain. Germany often quoted as having 0.5% is actually 3.5 % now since nursing home deaths were added in. Obviously 0% is under reported by a fearful government.
BTW Viet Nam has not had one death and its not because of herd immunity. They took the virus seriously back on February the 1st.
Shutting borders to flights, shutting schools and closely monitoring those who fell ill and their contacts. This was happening while Trump was calling the virus a hoax, Canada was letting in people from Iran and Italy with no follow up. Not a fucking care in the world for many. It took way too long for some to figure out that this was more, much more than just another flu.
Just to give you guys some perspective....this thread was started just a week before Viet Nam was taking steps to make them an example of how to do things right.
On another topic . The death rate for different countries as stated by some on this thread is misleading or false. It varies from 0% in some non democratic countries to 10% in Italy and Spain. Germany often quoted as having 0.5% is actually 3.5 % now since nursing home deaths were added in. Obviously 0% is under reported by a fearful government.
BTW Viet Nam has not had one death and its not because of herd immunity. They took the virus seriously back on February the 1st.
Shutting borders to flights, shutting schools and closely monitoring those who fell ill and their contacts. This was happening while Trump was calling the virus a hoax, Canada was letting in people from Iran and Italy with no follow up. Not a fucking care in the world for many. It took way too long for some to figure out that this was more, much more than just another flu.
Just to give you guys some perspective....this thread was started just a week before Viet Nam was taking steps to make them an example of how to do things right.
What you need to ask, and tell us, is whether pre Covid-19 pandemic, there were 460 total empty hospital beds in Quebec. Hospitals should know what their typical bed occupancy rates are. If it is typically 460 or less empty beds, then your system is on the cusp of being overwhelmed.
EB I wrote 1460 and not 460. But I do not see your point regarding empty beds versus the current situation? Hospital in canada know there capacity perfectly well, and knew they needed to prepare for the worst.
But still that is not the point. The point is for 1 patient hospitalized with the virus nearly 3 health workers caught it. That is a huge problem!
But still that is not the point. The point is for 1 patient hospitalized with the virus nearly 3 health workers caught it. That is a huge problem!
Jalimon it's simple math. If you have 1,460 empty hospital beds in Quebec before the pandemic then you can absorb the cases you have without being overwhelmed. If less than 1,460 then you are on the cusp of being overwhelmed. That's the point. This is what you need to find out and report to us.
The presidents statement along with him trying to play it back as a joke was pretty foolish, I agree. But, what’s really happening is that CNN and MSDNC are jumping all over the least important part of the press conference so that the public doesn’t hear about the good stuff that Bill Bryan, the head of the science and technology directorate at the Department of Homeland Security was saying.
There was good news that came out of the press conference, but the Trump haters would rather report the bullshit instead of something good for a change:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-coronavirus-sunlight-heat-and-humidity
CNN should relax man. You know there’s gonna be some fucking stupid Trump supporter who is gonna try n inject Lysol or some shit to prove the “Fake Media” wrong. It’s @ a point where they are zooming in and giving face slow mo’s of Dr. Birx when she was asked by trump, a bit too much
I dont agree. It's Trump himself that tried to be smarter then everyone but made a complete fool of himself, again, and that put the good news under the radar. He is a complete idiot of COURSE the media will jump on it.
He needs to lead by being a leader that is truthful and rigorous. Unfortunately he is a complete phony. A fucking joke.
Common sense from Wall Street Journal columnist, Holman Jenkins.
The Lockdowns Were the Black Swan
How and why we went from ‘flatten the curve’ to choosing between our economy and the virus.
wsj.com
By Holman W. Jenkins, Jr.
April 24, 2020 5:56 pm
To some the coronavirus is a supporting actor in a drama titled “The Iniquities of Donald Trump.” Those of more balanced mind wonder whether Mr. Trump’s failings can be distinguished from the predictable and expected failings of the U.S. government.
But it’s unlikely Mr. Trump will seem important to historians telling the story. Columbia University once found that 20% of flu sufferers and 5% of cold sufferers bothered to see a doctor. This is why the Wuhan virus was destined to go world-wide even if China had been upfront or an American president had been clairvoyant. Every bit of data since has confirmed it. Infectious respiratory diseases are a fact of nature. Beijing was finally driven to action by the same consideration that drove other countries to action—when the number of infected people and the duration of their cases overwhelmed a local hospital system.
SBSCRIBE
This is the proximate crisis that called for a public response around the world. Novel pandemic diseases are not a black swan. Our lockdown response was a black swan.
We started off sensibly. “This is not something [American families] generally need to worry about,” said CDC’s Dr. Nancy Messonnier in mid-January. “It’s a very, very low risk to the United States,” said Dr. Anthony Fauci a week later.
Bill de Blasio, mayor of New York, urged residents to go about their business normally as recently as March 11.
As coldblooded as it seems, these were the right statements at the time. Under “flatten the curve,” changes in public behavior aren’t needed until they are needed. Roll that around in your mind a bit. The better we do at equipping local hospitals, the less we need to bankrupt local businesses and their workers to slow the virus as it runs its course through society. That was the idea we started with.
Not even the U.K. Imperial College study that so alarmed the world’s policy makers recommended indiscriminate lockdowns and shelter-in-place orders. If we meant what we said, we’ve overshot in many places. Beds are empty. A ventilator shortage did not materialize. We failed to set aside enough capacity to treat other medical conditions like strokes and heart attacks. This is costing lives.
What happened? From Bill Gates to your local editorialist, a new priority waddled to the fore. We decided that, whatever contributes to killing Americans at a routine total rate of 8,000 or so a day, it shouldn’t be the coronavirus.
Accidents, yes—6% of deaths. Heart disease, yes—23%. Flu and pneumonia, yes—20%.
These deaths are allowed but not deaths from the coronavirus even at the cost of economic ruin for millions. Of course the media and public are free to decide now they never wanted flatten the curve; they wanted to be spared the virus altogether. But explain how this is to be done. And explain why. The Economist magazine says we can’t restart the economy without an “unprecedented” $180 billion testing regime. Unprecedented is an interesting word because China, a country of 1.4 billion people with eight cities larger than New York, either must have developed such a system with nobody noticing or hasn’t found it necessary.
With its porous southern border, with its nine million overseas citizens who can come home whenever they want, the U.S. isn’t New Zealand. Even so, I wonder if New Zealand a year from now will think it was sensible to seal itself off from the world to avoid a disease that may not be more deadly for the average person than the flu and certainly will not be extinguished elsewhere.
U.S. politicians, sensitive to their survival in office, are stuck trying to save their constituents simultaneously from the virus and poverty, and get only cheap shots from the media. Restarting the economy will lead to more coronavirus deaths—and more motor-vehicle deaths, more workplace deaths, even flu deaths.
What Americans need now is not another celebrity ad repeating the unsustainable “stay at home” mantra. They need detailed advice from government about how transmission does and does not occur (do masks help? are surface residues a significant threat? does infection confer immunity?) so they can learn to live with a virus that isn’t going away at least until a vaccine is developed.
And, for God’s sake, the media should stop confusing “infection fatality rate” with “case fatality rate,” grotesquely misleading the public on the true death rate. It’s hard to see why anybody would even report case fatality rate, a number without meaning since most of those tested either had celebrity access to testing or symptoms severe enough to require hospitalization (i.e., the equivalent of counting drunks and people who drive blue Austin-Healeys to estimate the risk of dying in a car accident).
Notice I have not mentioned Donald Trump since the second paragraph, because he has yet to find a way to be particularly relevant to this story—which I know will be shocking to readers who think the failings of Mr. Trump dwarf all other narratives.
The Lockdowns Were the Black Swan
How and why we went from ‘flatten the curve’ to choosing between our economy and the virus.
wsj.com
By Holman W. Jenkins, Jr.
April 24, 2020 5:56 pm
To some the coronavirus is a supporting actor in a drama titled “The Iniquities of Donald Trump.” Those of more balanced mind wonder whether Mr. Trump’s failings can be distinguished from the predictable and expected failings of the U.S. government.
But it’s unlikely Mr. Trump will seem important to historians telling the story. Columbia University once found that 20% of flu sufferers and 5% of cold sufferers bothered to see a doctor. This is why the Wuhan virus was destined to go world-wide even if China had been upfront or an American president had been clairvoyant. Every bit of data since has confirmed it. Infectious respiratory diseases are a fact of nature. Beijing was finally driven to action by the same consideration that drove other countries to action—when the number of infected people and the duration of their cases overwhelmed a local hospital system.
SBSCRIBE
This is the proximate crisis that called for a public response around the world. Novel pandemic diseases are not a black swan. Our lockdown response was a black swan.
We started off sensibly. “This is not something [American families] generally need to worry about,” said CDC’s Dr. Nancy Messonnier in mid-January. “It’s a very, very low risk to the United States,” said Dr. Anthony Fauci a week later.
Bill de Blasio, mayor of New York, urged residents to go about their business normally as recently as March 11.
As coldblooded as it seems, these were the right statements at the time. Under “flatten the curve,” changes in public behavior aren’t needed until they are needed. Roll that around in your mind a bit. The better we do at equipping local hospitals, the less we need to bankrupt local businesses and their workers to slow the virus as it runs its course through society. That was the idea we started with.
What happened? From Bill Gates to your local editorialist, a new priority waddled to the fore. We decided that, whatever contributes to killing Americans at a routine total rate of 8,000 or so a day, it shouldn’t be the coronavirus.
Accidents, yes—6% of deaths. Heart disease, yes—23%. Flu and pneumonia, yes—20%.
These deaths are allowed but not deaths from the coronavirus even at the cost of economic ruin for millions. Of course the media and public are free to decide now they never wanted flatten the curve; they wanted to be spared the virus altogether. But explain how this is to be done. And explain why. The Economist magazine says we can’t restart the economy without an “unprecedented” $180 billion testing regime. Unprecedented is an interesting word because China, a country of 1.4 billion people with eight cities larger than New York, either must have developed such a system with nobody noticing or hasn’t found it necessary.
With its porous southern border, with its nine million overseas citizens who can come home whenever they want, the U.S. isn’t New Zealand. Even so, I wonder if New Zealand a year from now will think it was sensible to seal itself off from the world to avoid a disease that may not be more deadly for the average person than the flu and certainly will not be extinguished elsewhere.
U.S. politicians, sensitive to their survival in office, are stuck trying to save their constituents simultaneously from the virus and poverty, and get only cheap shots from the media. Restarting the economy will lead to more coronavirus deaths—and more motor-vehicle deaths, more workplace deaths, even flu deaths.
What Americans need now is not another celebrity ad repeating the unsustainable “stay at home” mantra. They need detailed advice from government about how transmission does and does not occur (do masks help? are surface residues a significant threat? does infection confer immunity?) so they can learn to live with a virus that isn’t going away at least until a vaccine is developed.
And, for God’s sake, the media should stop confusing “infection fatality rate” with “case fatality rate,” grotesquely misleading the public on the true death rate. It’s hard to see why anybody would even report case fatality rate, a number without meaning since most of those tested either had celebrity access to testing or symptoms severe enough to require hospitalization (i.e., the equivalent of counting drunks and people who drive blue Austin-Healeys to estimate the risk of dying in a car accident).
Notice I have not mentioned Donald Trump since the second paragraph, because he has yet to find a way to be particularly relevant to this story—which I know will be shocking to readers who think the failings of Mr. Trump dwarf all other narratives.
The U.S. death toll has passed 50,000, but as this data demonstrates, mortality rates are MUCH higher in Italy and Spain:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52415579
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52415579
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