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For those advocating for an indefinite lockdown to fight the Covid-2 virus, know this: ....

Well aid ... and there HAVE been SEVERAL on here "suggesting" at lockdown trough end of year - insanity.

That link to Wuhan info .... might "fly" in Canada but too many conservatives in US who will not allow every day liberties to be stripped over what has amount to as a really bad flu .... facts are facts.
 

The Nature Boy

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Larry, come on now, who? who has suggested this?
 

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Scott W. Atlas, MD, is the David and Joan Traitel Senior Fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution and a former chief of neuroradiology at Stanford Medical Center.

rather than the hilarious "hypotheses" of a radiologist with no experience in epidemiology or infectious diseases, who writes a hit piece on behalf of the libertarian think thank he works for. here's what good scientific guidance looks like from experts on the subject:

What policy makers need to know about COVID-19 protective immunity

Daniel M Altmann Affiliations: Department of Immunology and Inflammation, Faculty of Medicine, Hammersmith Hospital, Imperial College London, London W12 0NN, UK
Daniel C Douek Affiliations: Vaccine Research Center, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD, USA
Rosemary J Boyton Affiliations: Department of Infectious Diseases, Faculty of Medicine, Hammersmith Hospital, Imperial College London, London W12 0NN, UK, Lung Division, Royal Brompton & Harefield NHS Foundation Trust, London, UK

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30985-5/fulltext#

Published:April 27, 2020

Current discussion, for example, addresses the notion that scaled up antibody testing will determine who is immune, thus giving an indication of the extent of herd immunity and confirming who could re-enter the workforce. There are questions to be addressed about the accuracy of tests and practicalities of implementation of laboratory-based versus home-use assays.5 For any country contemplating these issues, another crucial question is how solid is the assumption that antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 spike protein equate to functional protection? Furthermore, if presence of these antibodies is protective, how can it be decided what proportion of the population requires these antibodies to mitigate subsequent waves of cases of COVID-19?

Any discussions should be informed by consideration of correlates of protection. Initially proposed by Stanley Plotkin,6, 7 this concept rests on the notion of empirically defined, quantifiable immune parameters that determine the attainment of protection against a given pathogen. Caution is needed because total measurable antibody is not precisely the same as protective, virus-neutralising antibody. Furthermore, studies in COVID-19 show that 10–20% of symptomatically infected people have little or no detectable antibody.8 In some cases of COVID-19, low virus-binding antibody titres might correlate with lethal or near-lethal infection, or with having had a mild infection with little antigenic stimulation. Importantly, scientists must not only identify correlates of protection but also have a robust understanding of the correlates of progression to severe COVID-19, since knowledge of the latter will inform the former.

The route to certainty on the degree and nature of the immunity required for protection will require evidence from formal proofs using approaches such as titrated transfers of antibodies and T lymphocytes to define protection in non-human primate models, as used, for example, in studies of Ebola virus.9

A study of survivors of SARS showed that about 90% had functional, virus-neutralising antibodies and around 50% had strong T-lymphocyte responses.10 These observations bolster confidence in a simple view that most survivors of severe COVID-19 would be expected to have protective antibodies. A caveat is that most studies, either of SARS survivors or of COVID-19 patients, have focused on people who were hospitalised and had severe, symptomatic disease. Similar data are urgently needed for individuals with SARS-CoV-2 infection who have not been hospitalised.

How long is immunity to COVID-19 likely to last? The best estimate comes from the closely related coronaviruses and suggests that, in people who had an antibody response, immunity might wane, but is detectable beyond 1 year after hospitalisation.10, 11, 12 Obviously, longitudinal studies with a duration of just over 1 year are of little reassurance given the possibility that there could be another wave of COVID-19 cases in 3 or 4 years. Specific T-lymphocyte immunity against Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus, however, can be detectable for 4 years, considerably longer than antibody responses.13

Some of the uncertainty about COVID-19 protective immunity could be addressed by monitoring the frequency of reinfection with SARS-CoV-2. Anecdotal reports of reinfection from China and South Korea should be regarded with caution because some individuals who seemed to have cleared SARS-CoV-2 infection and tested negative on PCR might nevertheless have harboured persistent virus. Virus sequencing studies will help to resolve this issue and in cases of confirmed reinfection it will be important to understand if reinfection correlates with lower immunity.

Policy briefings in the UK and other countries have rightly emphasised the imperative to collect seroprevalence data.14 This approach has sometimes been construed in a narrow sense as testing that would allow people back to work. However, seroprevalence data can show what proportion of a population has been exposed to and is potentially immune to the virus, and is thus wholly distinct from the snapshot of people who accessed PCR testing. How can one determine how much herd immunity is sufficient to mitigate subsequent substantial outbreaks of COVID-19? This calculation depends on several variables,15 including the calculated basic reproduction number (R0), currently believed to be about 2·2 for SARS-CoV-2.16 On the basis of this estimated R0, the herd immunity calculation suggests that at least 60% of the population would need to have protective immunity, either from natural infection or vaccination.17 This percentage increases if R0 has been underestimated.

Most of the available COVID-19 serology data derive from people who have been hospitalised with severe infection.8, 18 In this group, around 90% develop IgG antibodies within the first 2 weeks of symptomatic infection and this appearance coincides with disappearance of virus,18 supporting a causal relationship between these events. However, a key question concerns antibodies in non-hospitalised individuals who either have milder disease or no symptoms. Anecdotal results from community samples yield estimates of under 10% of tested “controls” developing specific IgG antibodies. We await larger seroprevalence datasets, but it seems likely that natural exposure during this pandemic might, in the short to medium term, not deliver the required level of herd immunity and there will be a substantial need for mass vaccination programmes.

There are more than 100 candidate COVID-19 vaccines in development, with a handful in, or soon to be in, phase 1 trials to assess safety and immunogenicity.4 Candidate vaccines encompass diverse platforms that differ in the potency with which immunity is stimulated, the specific arsenal of immune mediators mobilised, the number of required boosts, durability of protection, and tractability of production and supply chains.3, 4 Safety evaluation of candidate COVID-19 vaccines will need to be of the highest rigour. Some features of the immune response induced by infection, such as high concentrations of tumour necrosis factor and interleukin 6, which could be elicited by some candidate vaccines, have been identified as biomarkers of severe outcome.19

Researchers should be commended for decades of iterative efforts, bringing us to a point where there are many candidate vaccines in development against a novel virus first sequenced in January, 2020. Delivery of efficacious vaccines is not a competitive race to the finish, but a considered evaluation of a safe, potent, global response.4 Few would disagree that science should guide the clinical therapeutic approach to an infected person. Science must also guide policy decisions. Reliance on comprehensive seroprevalence data and a solid, research-based grasp of correlates of protection will allow policy to be guided by secure, evidence-based assumptions on herd immunity, rather than optimistic guesses.
 

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it's not a bad flu. it's far worse

stop trolling

Cannot agree more. We are starting to know a bit more about this virus.

On the positive side:
- many many more could have been already infected without any symptoms
- so death rate could be quite low, no much more then flu

On the negative side:
- we do no know if immunity exists
- we still currently have no treatment, vaccines or massive rapid testing capabilities
- case of stroke due to blood clot have doubled (leading to many avc or other related blood clot problem). Which may explain why only 11% of patient survive the ventilator. Blood clot can lead to many other problems.
- the NHS in the UK discovered that covind-19 is probably responsible for a very rare disease for kids
- Impaired lung from covid-19 can very well lead to many other effects on your brain, kidney and your heart. Not to mentions of course.. your lungs.

For the next few months I will let the yahoo's get back to regular partying life and myself remain quiet.

Cheers,
 

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June? Are you fucking kidding me??? There's not a chance in hell that the border opens up in 2020 and if our government succumbs to the pressure and re-opens it too soon than I'M NOT VOTING LIBERAL AGAIN FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE!!!


Hey Naughty by Nature - You so funny!! I think Doc was the one calling for a a shutdown of Canada, at least from the U.S. for all of 2020.
 

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The United States is such a fucking mess right now that i'd personally advocate that Canada keep its border closed to it for at least one more year. And if fucking Trump is re-elected in November then keep the fucking border closed until 2025! There's no fucking way that they'll get out of this mess if they re-elect this motherfucker!

What Canada needs is a big Wall to keep Americans out. Like the Great Wall of China! And they could build that wall with several beautiful doors to let in people once the lockdown is over. Every province would be allowed a maximum amount of doors & they'd be monitored 24/7 to prevent people from illegally coming in. The Wall would have to be at least 100 feet high & be monitored 24/7 with high tech technology. Robots could be used to patrol the wall....robots equiped with infrared technology.

I love Americans. I love America. I usually would welcome their presence in Canada since they're usually great for the economy & the tourism industry. But we can't risk letting in anyone who would potentially infect or re-infect innocent Canadians with COVID-19. They're the ones who elected this madman as their so-called "leader", so they're to blame for this mess!

"Mr. Trump, build that Wall!!!" (and we'll even force America to pay for it)

On other idea would be to build a country-wide canal from the Maritimes to British Columbia in order to make an island out of Canada. A country that is an island could be better protected from an infected neighbouring country. Could this country-wide canal be built within 5 years? Probably not. But i think it'd be a good idea not just for now, but for the future!
 

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In other news, my upcoming flight to Montreal scheduled for the end of June was cancelled yesterday by my airline company. Among the reasons stated was that it seems unlikely that the province of Quebec will by then be re-opened to visitors from visiting provinces or other countries. I was thinking of maybe going by car but now it appears i won't even be allowed inside the province. Oh well!!!

Also yesterday i learned that the Quebec government is warning its residents that if they decide to venture into Ontario then they'll have to go into a 2-week quarantine once they return to Quebec. Most of the Quebec residents i spoke to about this are enraged about this if their government makes this official. I'm hearing it is or the announcement is imminent.
 

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In some possible good news......Oxford scientists say that they may have a vaccine ready by September if it works as well on humans as it does on rhesus monkeys.
The New York Times reports that a similar vaccine for another virus was developed a year ago and was proven safe to humans. The new vax was tested on monkeys who then received a strong dose of novel corona virus and did not develop covid19.....while similar tests with a placebo caused infection.
This vax may be available to the masses before year end. I hope it works .
 

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Hey Naughty by Nature - You so funny!! I think Doc was the one calling for a a shutdown of Canada, at least from the U.S. for all of 2020.

yea, but that’s a border closing, not a lock down. Also, some of your rant about vaccine is just poo. Not all, but some. Specifically the bullshit about HIV. Obviously trying to create a mechanism to initiate an immune response to a virus that attacks that very immune response would be a bit tricky and not sure SARS-CoV-2 would follow same rules, lol, my dog Chico even had a good laugh at that one. Now if this coronavirus proves to attack and evade the immune system like HIV 1 and 2 im sure you’ll wanna give me a little slap on the tushy to let me know I was just wrong.

heres a nice little article in lay terms on why it’s hard to find a vaccine for HIV. Very easy read

https://time.com/4583503/why-you-sti...n-hiv-vaccine/

and with respect to all this bullshit about varying efficacy about vaccines like the flu, think someone mentioned 35%, lol. If someone told some of you fuckers who come up to MTL for days and see like 3 girls a day if there was finally a hypothetical vaccine for HIV with a 30% chance of working, I’m pretty sure a ton of you would be getting it.
 

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Trump has again invoked the Defense Production Act to compel meat processing plants to remain open:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/poli...on-act-executive-order-food-supply/index.html

This is all about "don't fuck with our pork supply" after Tyson and Smithfield shut down, threatening very high ham and bacon prices for all of us.

This also comes on the heel of news that 7,500 Iowa piglets had to be aborted. These piglets were all possible meals on our tables:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN2292YS

Hopefully restaurants opening soon will change supply demand equation.
 

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As the saying goes.....where there is smoke, there is fire.
Rumour has it that Mike Pompano was informed 2 years ago by US diplomats that a lab in Wuhan was experimenting with very dangerous bat viruses under unsafe conditions . If true , did he take any action ?
 

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Rumour has it that Mike Pompano was informed 2 years ago by US diplomats that a lab in Wuhan was experimenting with very dangerous bat viruses under unsafe conditions . If true , did he take any action ?

And what do you propose he should have done with that information apart from going through the usual diplomatic channels, which I presume would have accomplished nothing even if attempted?
 

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Whether the Wuhan China virus came from live wild animals held in disgusting conditions in a "wet market" or it escaped from a nearby lab is hard to know. The Chinese communists say it came from the wet market, which is plausible. Some investigators in the West think it escaped from a lab, which is also plausible.

Either way, the Chinese Communist Party has systematically lied about, covered up and denied responsibility for the origin of the virus. We may never know anything for sure other than the CCP is guilty for the mess that the United States and the rest of the world finds itself ensnared in.

Perhaps, as this Wall Street Journal columnist points out, all that we know is: Never, ever trust the communists.

Communists in Brooks Brothers
They follow Lenin’s idea of ‘truth,’ even if they send their children to Harvard.
By William McGurn
April 27, 2020
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In those halcyon years before the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre, pro-democracy demonstrations in Hong Kong were small, quiet affairs that were lucky to attract a dozen or two people. After one such rally on a sleepy Sunday, the leader of the city’s fledgling democracy movement, legislator Martin Lee, offered me a lift back to my office.

The conversation turned to family, and Mr. Lee mentioned his father. A former Kuomintang general who had fought the Japanese in the years before and during World War II, he settled his family in Hong Kong once the Communists had prevailed in China’s civil war in 1949. Mr. Lee mused on his father’s advice.

“He’s always telling me, ‘Martin, you can never, ever trust the Communists.’ ”

Mr. Lee’s father has since passed away. The Hong Kong that once provided refuge for his family is gone too. Today’s Hong Kong has now arrested and criminally charged Martin Lee for participating in a pro-democracy protest. The old general’s words ring loudly in my ears: “Never, ever trust the Communists.”

In consequence a new generation is getting a hard lesson that Communists are real, as are the lies and violence necessary to keep them in power. As Lenin made amply clear, Communists have only contempt for the “bourgeois” idea of objective truth, replacing it with a morality that holds “truth” to be whatever is expedient for the party at that moment.
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Communism has always been far more about Lenin than Marx—that is, about getting and holding power, rather than any economic arrangement. And it’s extraordinary how consistent the lies and violence have been across time and geography, given the many different flavors of communism. There’s scarcely a Communist Party in the world that doesn’t have a mass killing or two in its past.

Chinese Communism has particularly benefited from the West’s naiveté. When Maoism first appeared, it was hailed as a more authentic and humane form of communism than its brutal Soviet rival. Then came the persecutions and purges and the Cultural Revolution, which left millions of innocent Chinese dead in its wake.

In 1989, when Chinese citizens raised a Goddess of Democracy on Tiananmen Square, some pinned their hopes on the People’s Liberation Army: Surely the people’s army would never fire on the people. In fact, PLA soldiers proved quite adept at firing on the people. And to this day Beijing refuses to come clean about how many it killed at Tiananmen.

Over China’s Communist history the Western left has been egregious at excusing Beijing’s behavior, sometimes apologizing for Chinese communism at its bloodiest moments. In fairness, however, the anti-Communist right has not been without its own illusions.

China’s opening to foreign trade and investment—which many of us supported—proved tremendously successful at lifting ordinary Chinese out of desperate poverty. As genuine an achievement as this has been, the mistake was assuming that just because communists traded in Mao jackets for Brooks Brothers and sent their children to Harvard Business School, they would be transformed into Jeffersonian democrats who play by liberal rules. Instead, the Chinese Communist ruling class has learned it can have it all.

Except truth. This is the one thing no Communist can afford. In his famous 1974 essay “Live Not By Lies,” Alexander Solzhenitsyn said the only way for an individual to resist was to refuse to participate in the everyday lies required to get by in any Communist society.

In the West, communism is often treated as a relic of the past, with figures such as Castro, Che and Mao reduced to cartoons on T-shirts. But real Communists are alive and well. So are the lies they tell to keep themselves in power, whether it’s spreading disinformation about the origins of coronavirus, denying the concentration camps that hold at least a million Muslim Uighurs, or releasing videos of PLA military exercises to intimidate the people of Hong Kong into submission.

Most Westerners look at Hong Kong, observe that the big protests from last year have gone away, and believe the way ahead is by letting things continue to cool down. Hong Kong people, after all, aren’t looking to overthrow China’s government; all they want is to be left alone. So Westerners have a hard time fathoming why Beijing is being so heavy-handed, treating an elderly barrister who wouldn’t harm a soul as a criminal.
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But this isn’t how a Communist thinks. He sees protests in Hong Kong as a challenge that must be crushed, at all costs. And when he looks at that 81-year-old lawyer, he doesn’t see a gentle old man. He sees an enemy brandishing the most fearsome weapon of all: the truth.

Until we understand this, we will never understand the wisdom behind a Chinese patriot’s prophetic warning to his son: Never, ever trust the Communists.





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Maybe the most important post yet. There is so much hate in this thread for Trump and no hate for the commies that caused it all. How was Trump able to sneak into Wuhan and plant this virus?
 

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I hate communists and have seen first hand how much misery and suffering they can create. Under a communist regime my grandfather was thrown in prison for 7 years because he held an un-authorized garage sale. And yes the Chinese government is responsible for starting this pandemic and then trying to cover it up.
There are others who are responsible for spreading the pandemic by having a slow response and being in denial of the danger.
Trump who worships dictators of all political stripes, and doesn`t let a day go by without at least one big lie, is responsible for thousands of American deaths because he was in denial and didn`t trust the science or his own intelligence agents until too late.
Funny that no one is commenting about the good news coming out of Oxford.
 

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China is to blame for all of those who have sadly died because of this virus not Trump.
 
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